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[Venus and Mars]

I’m really liking Dwlee’s posting as well.

Kitty still seems fine.

Not sure whether or not I ought to have concerns about STD’s still not being able to accurately read us or not.

@Gamma, what is your take on HEM doing a complete 180 on us for the reasons he stated?

[Venus and Mars]

Gamma Emerald - townreads you d1
Venus and Mars (Nancy Drew 39 & Shiro)Nancy Sinatra - you
Flea The Magician - townreads you d1

Enchant - idk

Facebones - dead
KittyTacky - sides with you in std vs nancy

Not_Mafia - scumreads you
Dwlee99 - thinks it's possible you are scum
Save The Dragons - scumreads you

humaneatingmonkey - townreads you
Roden - townreads you

this is my tally. is this wrong?

Are you seriously going to insist that we were ever a “universal tr” on n1, when your own chart literally contradicts this?

[Venus and Mars]

...so you're not scumreading nm? i thought that was your whole deal. why did you jk nm?

Because he was deathtunnelled us all through d1 on our slot and I figured if anyone were to use a pain potion on us, it would be him if he had one and since STD claimed to have jk’d Kitty, if NM did use his pain potion on us, we for sure would be 100% dead tonight, if not for our jk on him.

Wasting power to waste power.

Not really if you then die at day afterwards.

@Enchant, just curious had we not used our jk on NM we’d likely be at 1 HP now, so if you think we wasted our jk, what do you think we ought to have done instead because I fail to see any connection between our using our jk and the possibility of us being miselimed, so could you please explain that to me?

~M

[Roden]

HEM was obvscum yesterday and still is today. His AtE of "please be nice to me" is fake as hell because he's been anything but "nice" himself, let alone argue in good faith. He also admitted this his play this game is identical to his scum meta. I have no idea why he hasn't been voted out already.

[Venus and Mars]

why does town v&m become an obvious target

i have trouble seeing it because i still think they could be scum

I’m really not sure how I feel about this but STD clearly isn’t buying the universal tr nonsense so he gets townpoints for that.

~M

[Roden]

Also I don't think scum!NM targets his death tunnel with Pain potions, he needs V&M around as his focus for Day phases. So I think NM is town if that's true.

[Venus and Mars]

HEM was obvscum yesterday and still is today. His AtE of "please be nice to me" is fake as hell because he's been anything but "nice" himself, let alone argue in good faith. He also admitted this his play this game is identical to his scum meta. I have no idea why he hasn't been voted out already.

Yep, before he replaced out, Italiano told me he was actually 99% convinced HEM was scum here.

Had Flea voted him instead of FB I would have sheeped it. I probably should have regardless since I think Flea would have switched faer vote. I just had doubts on FB because of the metadive. :/

~M

[Venus and Mars]

Also I don't think scum!NM targets his death tunnel with Pain potions, he needs V&M around as his focus for Day phases. So I think NM is town if that's true.

Yeah, about that. I was completely shocked about how no one commented on HEM clearly misrepping multiple posts of mine wrt to that.

It was so beyond abundantly clear what I was saying but yet HEM appeared to worked overtime to twist my words. REPEATEDLY.

Anyone have any thoughts about that?

~M

[Venus and Mars]

HEM was obvscum yesterday and still is today. His AtE of "please be nice to me" is fake as hell because he's been anything but "nice" himself, let alone argue in good faith. He also admitted this his play this game is identical to his scum meta. I have no idea why he hasn't been voted out already.

Can you link/quote that for me please?

~M

[Venus and Mars]

im scum. im seriously 100% scum.

[Venus and Mars]

HEM has pushed bleeding obvtown Flea, Roden and us who all suspected him. I don’t think that’s a complete coincidence.

[Venus and Mars]

not as confident to come up with whatever lie you need to come up with to convince everyone of your pov.

i'm scum! i'm scum! i'm scum! catch me if you can!

That’s the 2nd post where he claims scum. This shouldn’t be ignored. I saw a game where scum!Norwee claimed scum, FL too and another site scum actually joked that they had forgotten how to play scum. Only player who’d this would be totally meaningless for would probably be Firebringer because he does that every single game. Even Pooky did something like this in Pokemon. By itself it could be nai but there’s a greater than > chance of scum doing that than town.

And then HEM can laugh at all of us who didn’t see this post game.

~M

[Venus and Mars]

i think you're actually thinking i'm scum

if you didn't think it's possible i'm town as scum you would know i'm town and that would be a possibility for you. the fact that it's not implies you really just think i'm scum.

no im scum

im scum. im seriously 100% scum.

Hmm . . . could STD be spewed town from this?

[Venus and Mars]

What exactly has Nancy done that is so hard to fake as scum that she is absolutely locktown? Is her scum game that polarized?

Ugh you make so much sense

This post is extremely suss. Why? Because HEM has never seen my scumgame but he neither says this or asks Dwlee to elaborate.

So why would someone who has never even seen my scumgame react like this?

You would think the logical response here, is well I’ve never seen her scumgame. Can you link me, so I can read some of her scumgames?

~M

[Venus and Mars]

Subject: Manatee's Pokemon Large Theme | Game Over

i asked him if he wanted to die in the scum chat and he was like yea sure

So while Pooky never actually “seriously” claimed he was scum, this actually happened.

[Gamma Emerald]

okay ill stay up.

i think v&m is scum and not all three (or four including v&m) of you can be scum. i chose to talk to you because i found you the most reasonable ones to talk to that won't immediately call me scum and can spot the flaws to my reasoning as it occurs or validate me when i hit the right spot.

my thing rests upon nm not being scum. i think v&m not being sent any potions by the scum team last night points towards them being scum because they've been universally townread (or mostly, whatever. semantics.) and thus hard to kill off during the day. regardless who nm targets, if they're not scum it shouldn't matter because an entire scum team didn't try and pain potion v&m.

i'm gonna point you towards our recent interaction and without describing it and trying to color it in anyway that could influence your take on it — what do you think about it?

you don't seem unreasonable, but I feel like there's some variables I need to weigh to determine my thinking on the matter.

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma are you still here would love to get a "???" from you

???

[Gamma Emerald]

i have trouble seeing it because i still think they could be scum

this doesn't feel right

[Venus and Mars]

i have trouble seeing it because i still think they could be scum

this doesn't feel right

*internally screams*

Yes it’s concerning that STD still can’t read me but he’s debunking HEM’s universal tr nonsense.

~M

[Venus and Mars]

I’m trying to stay calm but it makes me want to bash my head into a wall that no one but Flean Roden and us are seeing what HEM is doing. I haven’t decided what STD is yet but my vote is never fucking moving as long as I’m alive in this game and any of you who get swayed by HEM, it’s on you if we lose this.

Flea, Roden, us=GOATS

~M

[Roden]

I'm not game-throwing scum that's killing my own momentum in the game.

i kill my own momentum every time. that's how you get pocketz

I was actually thinking this. He admits he kills momentum on wagons on town as scum, and he's so far done this to five different players on Day 1 alone.

He wanted Nancy out, then he reversed.

He wanted Enchant out, then he reversed.

He wanted STD out, then he reversed.

He wanted Flea out, then he reversed.

He wanted Kitty out, then he reversed.

And every time he did push any of them, he acted like he was sure that they were scum.

[Venus and Mars]

I'm not game-throwing scum that's killing my own momentum in the game.

i kill my own momentum every time. that's how you get pocketz

I was actually thinking this. He admits he kills momentum on wagons on town as scum, and he's so far done this to five different players on Day 1 alone.

He wanted Nancy out, then he reversed.

He wanted Enchant out, then he reversed.

He wanted STD out, then he reversed.

He wanted Flea out, then he reversed.

He wanted Kitty out, then he reversed.

And every time he did push any of them, he acted like he was sure that they were scum.

Ah, great catch, yeah I think this is the smoking gun, now let’s hope the other townies realize what he’s doing.

He’s a very good scum player if this game is any indication. He pocketed me d1 and now reverses it. Usually scum doesn’t do that, so you’re like what in the actual fuck just happened?

~M

[Venus and Mars]

okay ill stay up.

i think v&m is scum and not all three (or four including v&m) of you can be scum. i chose to talk to you because i found you the most reasonable ones to talk to that won't immediately call me scum and can spot the flaws to my reasoning as it occurs or validate me when i hit the right spot.

my thing rests upon nm not being scum. i think v&m not being sent any potions by the scum team last night points towards them being scum because they've been universally townread (or mostly, whatever. semantics.) and thus hard to kill off during the day. regardless who nm targets, if they're not scum it shouldn't matter because an entire scum team didn't try and pain potion v&m.

i'm gonna point you towards our recent interaction and without describing it and trying to color it in anyway that could influence your take on it — what do you think about it?

you don't seem unreasonable, but I feel like there's some variables I need to weigh to determine my thinking on the matter.

i have trouble seeing it because i still think they could be scum

this doesn't feel right

Like seriously Gamma, HEM isn’t sounding unreasonable but STD’s post bothers you more??? Dude literally went from obvtown reading us to trying to drive a miselim on us and for absolutely nothing we even did.

~M

[Venus and Mars]

I'm not game-throwing scum that's killing my own momentum in the game.

i kill my own momentum every time. that's how you get pocketz

I was actually thinking this. He admits he kills momentum on wagons on town as scum, and he's so far done this to five different players on Day 1 alone.

He wanted Nancy out, then he reversed.

He wanted Enchant out, then he reversed.

He wanted STD out, then he reversed.

He wanted Flea out, then he reversed.

He wanted Kitty out, then he reversed.

And every time he did push any of them, he acted like he was sure that they were scum.

Also you, he was obsessed with pushing you but suddenly he’s apparently forgotten all about you.

I’m starting to get very bad feelings about STD getting pushed. I want nothing whatsoever to do with an STD wagon and HEM tried to set up an us vs. STD dichotomy before this.

I read in one of HEM’s scum pts that he likes to pit townies together. Could that be what’s happening between me and STD?

~M

[Roden]

I think HEM expects to die at some point, and wants to set up his buddies to make it further in the game and use their Pain potions. On a HEM red flip, I feel certain that the other two scum are whoever looks good after his flip.

That would also explain why there isn't much pressure on HEM despite his scumminess. Bussing him is a solid choice right now, but they can't make it look obvious.