Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[MathBlade]

mathblade couldn't win thread control against me as a conftown I don't think he thinks he would be able to win thread control against me as mafia

so he doesn't try?

i think he just busses.

like it makes no sense to try something that you know will not work 99% of the time

Correct

This is evidenced when I bussed HEM when JV fake guiltied then backed off soon as I was able

[MathBlade]

if math is town there doesnt have to be any scum pushing him

math is suggesting that scum are pushing him tho?

Yes and I think they are pushing me. I can think Ari is town and disagree with her.

[Save The Dragons]

i think math is FEARLESS and would try

but maybe that's a wrong assessment

but that's what i think

[Aristeia]

if math is town there doesnt have to be any scum pushing him

math is suggesting that scum are pushing him tho?

I feel pretty strongly about titus being town and ausuka is possible but I still feel she's like kind of townie maybe

[MathBlade]

i think math is FEARLESS and would try

but maybe that's a wrong assessment

but that's what i think

I find it odd that you’re arguing that I would do something you’ve literally just been provided evidence I don’t do yet you say I would do it because?

[Save The Dragons]

the point is that MATH thinks scum are pushing him

not who you think the scum are pushing him if any

[Save The Dragons]

where's the evidence besides you saying it

[MathBlade]

mathblade couldn't win thread control against me as a conftown I don't think he thinks he would be able to win thread control against me as mafia

so he doesn't try?

i think he just busses.

like it makes no sense to try something that you know will not work 99% of the time

Correct

This is evidenced when I bussed HEM when JV fake guiltied then backed off soon as I was able

@STD

[Aristeia]

Coordinated attack on me. Titus + A day play fits.

they're attacking you because you're scummy not because they're scum -_-

[Save The Dragons]

can you link

[Aristeia]

the point is that MATH thinks scum are pushing him

not who you think the scum are pushing him if any

I don't really play the game by VCA - I focus on individual isos first.

[MathBlade]

Same PT linked earlier for HEM by HQ I believe viewtopic.php?f=90&t=89314

[MathBlade]

See posts 314-317 where I freak out about JV’s fake guilty

[MathBlade]

Coordinated attack on me. Titus + A day play fits.

they're attacking you because you're scummy not because they're scum -_-

I am not though.

I am frustrating and annoying but I am not scummy.

They aren’t arguing that I am though.

That’s the crux as to why they are scum.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Mathblade

As long as Enchant doesn't have a literal innocent I am definitely down for this

Don't see why he's obvtown, I don't think it's that rare for scum to bus each other when going down

Don't think it's Titus here

Take a look here

There’s no reasons mentioned for why I am scum

Just that she is voting me and it’s not Titus

[MathBlade]

As for Dwlee, you and Titus have opposing reads on them but I don't really understand why? I feel like that's something you can dig into here and feels really important for understanding the game state.

I like this from Roden I think? It feels like a good faith attempt to help a possible town Math

Pedit: I don't think my play was terrible when I was here but I've been starting to lurk and not really contribute to discussions since I've fallen behind

Their last posts are a possible townread and an I don’t know.

A hasn’t actually stated why they think I am scum

That is hallmark scum dogpile

[Aristeia]

VOTE: Mathblade

As long as Enchant doesn't have a literal innocent I am definitely down for this

Don't see why he's obvtown, I don't think it's that rare for scum to bus each other when going down

Don't think it's Titus here

Take a look here

There’s no reasons mentioned for why I am scum

Just that she is voting me and it’s not Titus

ok but you're looking at one thing she did today

and I'm looking at the totality of her actions from the start of d1 all the way to now.

also she's like pick #2 so it's not like she ever endgames if scum

[Roden]

Math I think there's a good chance you're town here, but yes you were absolutely very scummy yesterday and a bit at Day start today

[Ausuka]

Eh, I'd also love to have a chat with dweelee. @dweelee, throw some thoughts at me.

I have struggled with you and std - my reads on you are all over the place, Ive been really up front about that.

I guess it depends how much scum believed the math wagon was actually viable - obviously they'd prefer it over losing one of their own, so I don't think it's massively likely that there were /zero/ scum on it..as I said to Hq, it wouldn't surprise me if it was one on hem (I'm sure there must have been bussing, probably in the later half of the wagon), and one off totally, which also kind of reflects in the way the votes are just spaced. Is this unreasonable?

I feel like Bella's posts have been sort of sorty today? Guess it's not super strong but not picking up the scum vibes people have been laying down

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Mathblade

As long as Enchant doesn't have a literal innocent I am definitely down for this

Don't see why he's obvtown, I don't think it's that rare for scum to bus each other when going down

Don't think it's Titus here

Take a look here

There’s no reasons mentioned for why I am scum

Just that she is voting me and it’s not Titus

ok but you're looking at one thing she did today

and I'm looking at the totality of her actions from the start of d1 all the way to now.

also she's like pick #2 so it's not like she ever endgames if scum

Correct. I find looking at individual ISOs leads to conf bias a lot of the time
If you think they are town before you’ll just find more than makes you think town and vice versa

I find that scum make one little mistake then when poked on it compound it.

I think I was defending HEM and had an incorrect read but incorrect read != scummy

I think I was right in suggesting we needed wagons to help sort D2

I think that calling me scummy for having unpopular opinions is inaccurate.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Mathblade

As long as Enchant doesn't have a literal innocent I am definitely down for this

Don't see why he's obvtown, I don't think it's that rare for scum to bus each other when going down

Don't think it's Titus here

Take a look here

There’s no reasons mentioned for why I am scum

Just that she is voting me and it’s not Titus

As for Dwlee, you and Titus have opposing reads on them but I don't really understand why? I feel like that's something you can dig into here and feels really important for understanding the game state.

I like this from Roden I think? It feels like a good faith attempt to help a possible town Math

Pedit: I don't think my play was terrible when I was here but I've been starting to lurk and not really contribute to discussions since I've fallen behind

Their last posts are a possible townread and an I don’t know.

A hasn’t actually stated why they think I am scum

That is hallmark scum dogpile

Ironically this post pretty much summarises the main reason I sr you - your points feel kinda contrived to the point they seem more like crafted to meet an agenda than real thoughts? I'm not sure how you can read my ISO and not think of one reason why I might be scumreading you here?

[MathBlade]

It’s also why I have a patent distaste for town blocking unless I have something to go off of that makes a person in the block confirmed otherwise you’re setting yourself up for failure

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Mathblade

As long as Enchant doesn't have a literal innocent I am definitely down for this

Don't see why he's obvtown, I don't think it's that rare for scum to bus each other when going down

Don't think it's Titus here

Take a look here

There’s no reasons mentioned for why I am scum

Just that she is voting me and it’s not Titus

As for Dwlee, you and Titus have opposing reads on them but I don't really understand why? I feel like that's something you can dig into here and feels really important for understanding the game state.

I like this from Roden I think? It feels like a good faith attempt to help a possible town Math

Pedit: I don't think my play was terrible when I was here but I've been starting to lurk and not really contribute to discussions since I've fallen behind

Their last posts are a possible townread and an I don’t know.

A hasn’t actually stated why they think I am scum

That is hallmark scum dogpile

Ironically this post pretty much summarises the main reason I sr you - your points feel kinda contrived to the point they seem more like crafted to meet an agenda than real thoughts? I'm not sure how you can read my ISO and not think of one reason why I might be scumreading you here?

No I don’t.

You started with a townread/I don’t know to “I am voting Math and never moving” without explanation.

And even if I had an agenda it’d be what? To get elimmed? No the n3 vig calls me out on it and knows that’s not my play.

You’re calling my posts contrived because I pointed out your mistake. You didn’t move gradually onto me.

[MathBlade]

If you seriously believed the posts where contrived you’d argue what agenda I am actively pushing?

Can’t be survival. If I did that I would just vote implo with Ari based on her asking
Can’t be my own elim as I said above

So what possible agenda do I have?

I think I caught you and Titus trying to make me the predominant wagon vs genuine scumreads

[MathBlade]

I have to get back to work now but I find you very suspicious.