There are 11 alive so it takes 6 to lynch.
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So is this some kind of commonly used setup or did Crazy come up with this setup?
If it is a commonly used setup, anybody have any links to previous games?
I don't think a night start game really calls for a random voting phase since we already have information to start from (and in this instance we kind of had random voting already).The above written statement is pro-town.-
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well i never got my RV, so iVote CrazyShowNow taking sign ups:
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What is the point of this being Night start?
All it is is Mafia get pot luck on whether or not they remove a power role.
Vote Crazy
Still think only a maf would know that.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Night start is good for town IMO (sucks for first killed) since we start with odd numbers. I hate that normal minis start with even numbers for simple math reasons.Xtoxm wrote:What is the point of this being Night start?
All it is is Mafia get pot luck on whether or not they remove a power role.
Vote Crazy
Still think only a maf would know that.
With 2 watchers, mafia also runs a very high risk of getting caught on n1.
Also, Crazy voted for this setup in the Open Setup nomination thread where it is shown as a night start (see my quote of Adel). Anybody who read that thread (and especially anybody who voted for it) would know it was a night start. Knowing Crazy a little bit (more from Epic Mafia than games here), I know he is rather particular about setups.
He could be scum, but that reason is a poor one.The above written statement is pro-town.-
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camn soundtracker
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That sucks about KMD... I was looking forward to another game with you! Maybe I'll try your thing....
@Bionic, You seem to be defending Crazy. Are you?
Also.. why such concern about the setup? How does it help to know if it has been played before? And who designed it...?
@Panda... what are you even talking about?
@ Xtoxm.. I think I agree.
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Howwereyou so crackerjack regarding the night start? Our Mod forgot, yet you remembered.. Is it what bionic said? Or do you have some other explanation?"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Yes, I am defending Crazy from this particular argument. I make it a habit to counter any poor argument against any player. Even if I find the player being attacked to be scummy, I will point out flawed arguments against them.camn wrote: @Bionic, You seem to be defending Crazy. Are you?
The argument that mafia would know the game is a night start while town would not is extremely flawed. All role PMs are posted at the opening of the game and none indicate the game would be a night start.
The setup of open games is very critical and understanding them is very important. Who designed it wasn't particularly important except when I didn't know how Crazy would have assumed it was night start. I thought maybe he designed the game setup. I found out he didn't, so I figured I may as well post that here along with the other information I found (Crazy voted for the setup shortly after the idea was posted).camn wrote: Also.. why such concern about the setup? How does it help to know if it has been played before? And who designed it...?
Knowing if it has been played before would give me a game to read. By reading a game of the same setup, I would be able to see how early certain roles claimed and what methods were most effective in finding scum. With watchers, you can have roles claim and then bait the scum into killing them:
example - role cop claims and watchers watch (better if 2 watchers exist). If the RC lives, the watchers know the other watcher. If the RC dies, the watchers know 1 scum + the other watcher. If the RC dies, you can then do a 'watcher claim' where every player says 2 people who visited the dead player (this is so scum can't fake to be a watcher).
Now, I don't know how effective such an approach might be, which is why I wanted to read any previous games of this setup.The above written statement is pro-town.-
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I think Xtoxm's reasons are pretty clear.Panda Stomper 85 wrote:Anyways, why are we voting for crazy?
I'mvoting to see if Crazy says anything interesting regarding X's accusations. But Bionic is doing all the work for him
Bionic has some pretty good explanations, though...
And the other one is a random vote.
Last I checked,Youweren't actually voting for him.. . so I am assuming you didn't really mean "we". . ."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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I don't see what's wrong with random voting either. I don't see how Crazy knowing that it's a night start is a valid case, because he obviously knew about the set up beforehand, if he voted for it in the set-up thread.icemanE wrote:Personally I don't see what's wrong with a RV stage in an open setup - I also don't see the argument against Crazy as valid.-
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Nothing is wrong with it. I thought the night start gave us the jump start we needed plus there was some random voting prior to the night actually starting. Add to that Xtoxm had already moved into a real vote before the night started and it seems silly to revert to random. Random is only a filler until something better comes along to discuss. There is no reason IMO to prolong the stage if the game has naturally progressed into actual game play.icemanE wrote:Personally I don't see what's wrong with a RV stage in an open setupThe above written statement is pro-town.-
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It was a joke.
Last game, KMD made up this thing he called the "KMD Gambit" to catch scum.
It never caught any scum...
My position was that it was flawed.. since it only caught me, as town.
But nobody thought much of it. It may have lost the game for us, though it was more likely our bad play.
And I can't think how it would relate.
Unless Zazier is here..... they had a wager about it
OR, maybe its scum trying to bait us into a WIFOM-driven retaliation nightkill discussion...
Like killing Xtoxm in order to build a case against Crazy. (which is whatIwould have done!)"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Just an idea here, but the RVS is supposed to be random, so yeah everyone voting the same person defeats the idea. lolShowNow taking sign ups:
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This argument has my full support.StrangerCoug wrote:Once again,vote: Panda Stomper 85until he tells me what happened to Panda Stompers 1 through 84.vote: Panda Stomper 85
Also,FOS: orangepenguinfor making light of this serious line of questioning."You might very well think that; I couldn'tpossiblycomment."-
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