Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Aristeia]

If enchant is scum your UB won't activate right?

UB activates on the first PR to die, alignment doesn't matter

[Titus]

Venge makes sense for HQ. That's what I suspected.

[Wallflower]

Here i come again.

A little less conversation, a little more action
All this aggravation ain’t satisfactioning me

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I mean, the alternative seems to be arguing in circles about who scum could have killed which doesn't seem helpful to me. We need to get my elim over with and move on.

[Harley Quinn]

I also think Implo is town, tbf. Out of those vts, STD is definitely my scummiest read but like, I'd just be surprised if it wasn't wall flower/enchant?


Like... wallflower/enchant
STD/gamma/maybe dweelee - idek a bit above null
Everyone else.

If the game doesn’t end with WF/Enchant, I guess. Otherwise, no clue.

[Harley Quinn]

Venge makes sense for HQ. That's what I suspected.

That’s not what you said before Math flipped. You said you wouldn’t have expected me to pick this category. So unless you mean venge > N3 vig?

[Harley Quinn]

Didn't want to say it out loud but I kinda expected you to pick Vengeful.

It’s consolation for getting wrongly sr. I also like prs where I don’t really have to do too much. Also kept that role from scum.

I was trying to play differently not to get too tr but then I just gave up with that.

[Titus]

Venge makes sense for HQ. That's what I suspected.

That’s not what you said before Math flipped. You said you wouldn’t have expected me to pick this category. So unless you mean venge > N3 vig?

I believe my language was along the lines of that I didn't expect it but if anyone would it would be you.

[Ausuka]

Okay guys, I’m starting to think Implosion may be town, so while the fake vig thing was fun and all, I’m just going to straight up hardclaim venge.

So Enchant is probably the last scum along with WF.

I think if Implosion was role cop he’d already know this.

I hard trs all the vts and tl STD so, I’m now pretty confident I was wrong on Implosion.

Think this makes HQ close to clear? Just because if we flip one more scum, and HQ lives to elo, it is always the correct play to lim hq and I don't see why scum would claim in this scenario

Obviously if she makes it to 3p elo still flip her because it's optimal play there I think

[Ausuka]

Sorry if everyone already knew that and I was just stating the obvious

[implosion]

I'm ready to end the day when y'all are.

[Harley Quinn]

Okay guys, I’m starting to think Implosion may be town, so while the fake vig thing was fun and all, I’m just going to straight up hardclaim venge.

So Enchant is probably the last scum along with WF.

I think if Implosion was role cop he’d already know this.

I hard trs all the vts and tl STD so, I’m now pretty confident I was wrong on Implosion.

Think this makes HQ close to clear? Just because if we flip one more scum, and HQ lives to elo, it is always the correct play to lim hq and I don't see why scum would claim in this scenario

Obviously if she makes it to 3p elo still flip her because it's optimal play there I think

I don’t agree with this, especially since you’ve pretty much guaranteed that scum won’t shoot me. But since I am venge, I could theoretically be the town hero in that extremely unlikely scenario if I venged correctly.

At any rate, I think the game likely ends with WF/Enchant flips and he tried to get us to lim Ari over HEM, which was weird because his only other read the entire game was on Math.

[Harley Quinn]

Can we cut debate and hammer?

We still have 3 days, why the rush?

That's not rush in any case, but i think mafia are more likely to be early voted, due DISTANCING, and after 7-10 days of bunnyhopping someone else dies instead.

It's annoying.

Can you do me a favor and read the VCs?

I did.

Aris (not seriously probably)>HAM and then counterwagons Dwlee99+Math.

Therefore, Aris is maf, but you all have affection to anime, so let's kill HAM instwad.

I also didn’t actually initially get Ari’s reasoning for why she sr Enchant for picking 1 + bp, because it absolutely wouldn’t have been even remotely scum indicative for me to have done that but the difference is I am sometimes an early NK in games but how often is Enchant?

And if he was town and wanted to live longer, why pick 1?

Considering he hasn’t done anything all game particularily townie except his Math read which was self-pres, why would scum shoot him?

He probably picked bp to avoid a vig shot.

[Harley Quinn]

You are enchanted by Aris, and can't see devil.

And again, another push on Ari.

[Harley Quinn]

Roden used watcher on me?

... Why in the hell.

This reaction also didn’t make a whole lot of sense coming from town!Enchant. You would think he’d be relieved to have his bp confirmed right but he’s probably unhappy about this because unlike on n1, where I couldn’t be confirmed as the almost certain nk target because of his bp and since we know Gamma tried to vig Math, he still has it, so Ari was almost certainly the target.

[Ausuka]

I don’t agree with this, especially since you’ve pretty much guaranteed that scum won’t shoot me. But since I am venge, I could theoretically be the town hero in that extremely unlikely scenario if I venged correctly.

I don't understand why? Normally in elo, you have to pick 1 player and if they're scum you win. If you lim the venge you get 2 players and if either is scum you win. It seems a lot easier. Obviously you don't like insta lim you have discussion beforehand

[Harley Quinn]

Here i come again.

A little less conversation, a little more action
All this aggravation ain’t satisfactioning me

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Thanks. It's not like anyone care what i think, yeah?

Enchant could be scum BP right? Is there a point in vigging him? Maybe I'm missing something

Again, another strange reaction. Enchant seems fine with being vigged and he wouldn’t had he actually been targeted on n1.

So, I actually think it doesn’t matter all that much which of WF/Enchant we flip. I think the game ends after both are flipped.

However, WF is less scummy by play, so far more likely to weasel out of it but yeah. I think town winning is pretty much a formality at this point.

[Harley Quinn]

I don’t agree with this, especially since you’ve pretty much guaranteed that scum won’t shoot me. But since I am venge, I could theoretically be the town hero in that extremely unlikely scenario if I venged correctly.

I don't understand why? Normally in elo, you have to pick 1 player and if they're scum you win. If you lim the venge you get 2 players and if either is scum you win. It seems a lot easier. Obviously you don't like insta lim you have discussion beforehand

Oh well if you’re taking the venge part into account, then it makes more sense but it’s not going to happen anyway because game is already solved. It is exactly WF/Enchant because Enchant knows I was the nk target, hence him being fine with being vigged.

[Harley Quinn]

VOTE: Wallflower

[Ausuka]

That's understandable, I'm just talking about the worst case scenario, universal townreads have been wrong before

[Ausuka]

Imagine if it's literally just enchant/wallflower and datisi and the scum PT are both like just increasingly frustrated the game is still going

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: wallflower

[Wallflower]

Good luck friends!

[Harley Quinn]

VOTE: Enchant

I still have some slight paranoia on STD.

[Harley Quinn]

If it’s not too late, I think Ausuka should jk Wallflower.

[Gamma Emerald]

is wallflower not hammered?