Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Harley Quinn]

It’s no accident that Wallflower is pushing Implosion and Titus as her strongest srs. Implosion is obvious=role but Titus is both good at mech and not obvtown like Ari which she knows can’t be pushed.

All it takes is Ausuka jking someone other than Wallflower and and a no kill to make us doubt the correct solve.

[Save The Dragons]

I guess my implosion read is partially inspired by others and partially driven by not tring him

I feel the same about enchant

[Ausuka]

I guess what I'm saying is

Yeah wallflower and Enchant need to die or be confirmed by jailkeep

Neither should be allowed to endgame if scum

But I want us to discuss the other players while Ari and implo and other towny ppl are still alive

Sure but I could possibly see scum no killing as a gambit too. Scum wants to cause chaos and paranoia and get town to cannibalize itself.

It’s even possible that Wallflower would hope you jk Titus or anyone else and she no kills and then you have a fake guilty on that player.

Why is scum!Enchant practically lolcatting and daring us to yeet him if Wallflower isn’t his buddy?

I mean maybe

I don't think enchant is really doing anything different to what he's been doing all game though

[Ausuka]

I guess my implosion read is partially inspired by others and partially driven by not tring him

I feel the same about enchant

Mm I guess

Idk how to read you tbh

[Harley Quinn]

My pick is Enchant 100% scum.
Wallflower is likely scum.
If not StD.
Long shot Gamma taking advantage of Math elim by counting votes.

I still think Gamma is town though but yeah.

I would support an Enchant lim if we didn’t have a town UB who will take over Ari’s doc. I think Enchant is trying way too hard to get limmed > Wallflower and her pushing Implosion, Titus but tr Enchant pretty much seals it for me.

Pushing Implosion, Titus > Enchant is extremely suss to me.

[Enchant]

I am literally yawning.

[Save The Dragons]

I'm a hard read

[Enchant]

I am harder.

[Harley Quinn]

I guess my implosion read is partially inspired by others and partially driven by not tring him

I feel the same about enchant

Enchant could sound townie if he really wanted to but I think he’s trying to get limmed to save Wallflower. The thing with Implosion is that if anyone other than Ari dies, he looks seriously suss unless of course he’s jk’d because scum!Implosion has no use for doc and if Ausuka dies the following night, he’s guiltied scum.

And why does scum ever pick UB > rolecop anyway? And I didn’t get the impression he knew I was venge because I would expect Implosion role cop to have checked me last night and found it out.

[Harley Quinn]

I guess what I'm saying is

Yeah wallflower and Enchant need to die or be confirmed by jailkeep

Neither should be allowed to endgame if scum

But I want us to discuss the other players while Ari and implo and other towny ppl are still alive

Sure but I could possibly see scum no killing as a gambit too. Scum wants to cause chaos and paranoia and get town to cannibalize itself.

It’s even possible that Wallflower would hope you jk Titus or anyone else and she no kills and then you have a fake guilty on that player.

Why is scum!Enchant practically lolcatting and daring us to yeet him if Wallflower isn’t his buddy?

I mean maybe

I don't think enchant is really doing anything different to what he's been doing all game though

He isn’t doing anything so Gamma’s not wrong. This is 100% Enchant scum meta.

[Enchant]

You literally played with me once before and it was my towngame where you was scum.

Stop lying pls.

[Harley Quinn]

-snip-

I think Enchant is the kind of player who could easily yolo pick a killing role or a blocking role or something. I'm not going to push it hard right now, mostly because yes, it is true that if we paranoia-lim Enchant d3 and they are an ascetic cop we get 2 results. But I am going to be *really mad* if they don't get limmed d3-4 if they keep playing this way.I guess frankly I'm just very annoyed at what they're doing, because I had to play a game where they were doing this and I had to hold my tongue because it was chromavalon and I was their merlin, and this time I don't have to hold my tongue.

@STD does this sound like an Enchant buddy to you?

[Save The Dragons]

I was answering ausukas question, not trying to present a new read. On mobile so I didn't quote it

[Harley Quinn]

You literally played with me once before and it was my towngame where you was scum.

Stop lying pls.

If you’re referring to White Flag, you actually did things in that. First you try to shade Ari than me. No one’s buying it.

[Enchant]

Imo probably should had picked neiborizer for extramemes.

[Ausuka]

Surely if you're going for a meme role it has to be PGO

[Harley Quinn]

Spoiler:

if wall flower flips scum we can JK enchant and vig a VT and still be p much guranteed to win if enchant is last scum

it also gives us an extra doctor due to UB

I think taking the safer path is better

if the solve really is enchant/wallflower we win either way

@Ausuka, this is why I think jking Implosion and my vigging Enchant makes the most sense. Do you disagree with this?

I think Implosion’s posts have been pretty scummy and I really don’t see any good reason he shouldn’t be jk’d.

And to be clear, this is the reason I shouldn't be JK'd: if I am scum, and we lim scum today, I have just sealed my own fate as a mechanical loss.

um im always healing Ausuka

and when i get shot implo is always healing Ausuka

Yeah, this.

And I'm fine with Ausuka never-jailing Ari at this point as well.

Jailing enchant if this is scum

If wallflower flips town I feel like I should keep my target private?

If hq says she's vigging a VT claim I won't jail them

This seems like a good plan.

If WF and both you are scum and you are jk’d then how would we lose? I actually don’t hate those last few posts.

If WF and I are both scum, scum will lose no matter what (because my being alive guarantees Ausuka will never die), so there's no need to jailkeep me.

If WF is scum and I am town, then it's better to jailkeep someone else.

whoever you suspect the most?

as long as you tell ausuka so theres no chance she jails the same one

I think she should jk Enchant, no?

I’m asking for suggestions.

Basically, if WF flips town, then it's advantageous for scum not to know who Ausuka is JKing. She should maybe JK enchant, but if she publicly commits to doing so, then Enchant would just have their scumbuddy make the kill. She has said she's JKinig Enchant if WF flips scum (which is fine bc then only one scum is alive so they have no choice).

Any of the VT claims is fine for you to shoot, so long as Ausuka knows who. It doesn't help scum to know who you're shooting, but it does help them to know who Ausuka is jailkeeping, which is why we're coordinating it ini this way.

For reference VT claims (other than WF) are StD, Dwlee, Titus, or Bellaphant. I'd personally not shoot Titus.

Implosion I think spewed himself town with this. He clearly did not know I’m venge.

[Ausuka]

Implosion is town mechanically anyway because he doesn't have any way to explain not getting nightkilled after Ari or I die

[Harley Quinn]

Spoiler:

Can we cut debate and hammer?

We still have 3 days, why the rush?

That's not rush in any case, but i think mafia are more likely to be early voted, due DISTANCING, and after 7-10 days of bunnyhopping someone else dies instead.

It's annoying.

Can you do me a favor and read the VCs?

I did.

Aris (not seriously probably)>HAM and then counterwagons Dwlee99+Math.

Therefore, Aris is maf, but you all have affection to anime, so let's kill HAM instwad.

You are enchanted by Aris, and can't see devil.

Did someone mention memes?

[Enchant]

Surely if you're going for a meme role it has to be PGO

I thought about it, but realised it's a kind of pointless.

Do you see anyone claiming they go for Cop/Bulletproof, expect for Wall (Which is no comments scum)? I also don't see.

What point in being PGO, if scum received role without challenge and knows that i am not this role? I really looked at previous games and you notice how less faithful towns are that they get what they desire, thinking "Oh well toppick obviously picked Cop). So they try to get something lesser instead with bigger success. Scum doesh't care, they MUST try.


So i think, i didn't misplay here. I prepared to die for pick like instantly when i picked, because i knew what backlash it will start. My pick was useful. I probably stoped kill. I did well. Only issue.

Game was rigged from start by me being Enchant, and i can't control when ppl will get annoyed by me. Well. Happens?


So i plainly disagree that "Cop is in all way more useful that BP". It's depends on how you utilise it. I utilised it perfectly, but sucked at day. Don't repeat my mistakes and BP is probably most powerful role in this game.

Ayeye.

[Ausuka]

I mean I would've gone for cop if I was lower down but I guess it's irrelevant since I didn't in practice

[implosion]

Yeah if we don't flip a scum today I think we just flip enchant tomorrow before elo

We are like. Nowhere even close to ELO. It's 10:2 right now. Then 8:2, 6:2, 4:2. We have

four mislims

. Not to mention the multiple living protective PRs, the venge claim that might as well be mechanically clear since we can lim her at ELO, etc, etc.

Why are we trying to get the perfect lim today. We're so far ahead; if we play mechanically optimally there's really not that much we need to think about. I have been yelling about WF not being confscum but like, the JK on her is still a form of probabilistic evidence that has meaning beyond just a read. And she can't live to endgame.

Can we please not lim Enchant. It's like, the one way for us to lose, is if Enchant is town and I lose my ability to confirm myself. We lim Enchant the second any other PR dies (or alternatively, scum help us sort the VT claims or they just... never get to kill anyone). I understand Ari doesn't want to put things on autopilot but like... I think that is the thing to do at least for today. I'm not gonna complain about limming a different VT but I do think WF is the best choice. I'm honestly kind of disinterested by scumhunting in this game right now, like yeah there's a good chance it'll be important but there's also a good chance it just won't be >_>

[Ausuka]

We are like. Nowhere even close to ELO. It's 10:2 right now. Then 8:2, 6:2, 4:2. We have four mislims. Not to mention the multiple living protective PRs, the venge claim that might as well be mechanically clear since we can lim her at ELO, etc, etc.

Yeah sorry that was a brainfart

[implosion]

I'm just irritated that now, the first time i have been Ready to move on to the next day, we collectively no longer are X_X

[Ausuka]

I mean that's fair I guess

I'm just Not Confident it will be some combination of enchant/wallflower/Std and I want Ari's input while still here if possible

I do agree limming wallflower today is probably the best thing to do still