Open 854 | Eurybia's Curse | Game Over!

[skitter30]

I'd post something mildly uncomfortable if I thought it was to wincon but I think that was only to catharsis so, I regret posting it

fair enuf, if u want to have an actual convo i'm happy to

[Faker]

I will keep these questions in mind when making my next vote, particularly if I am considering placing it on marcistar.

[Isis]

Is Cakez offwagon scum

Reading him directly, no

Being reminded of similar gamestates where consensual felt really hard because neither scum pushed one nor a townie pushed one that was a rebuttal of what scum wanted, maybe

[Isis]

Skitter what do you think about faker's emphasis on her own range atm

[Faker]

Heads up I spent all day yesterday staring at MafiaScum.net, and I'd like to do something else today.

I'll probably just take the L and work back through the game from scratch with a particular eye towards interactions either later tonight or starting tomorrow.

[skitter30]

I will keep these questions in mind when making my next vote, particularly if I am considering placing it on marcistar.

sure
i would like you to answer at some point because that is apparently your reason for voting marci and i find it fairly weak, and i do think it makes sense for scum-you to clear tuf to push marci for exactly that reason - your reason for pushing marci exactly dovetails with who was cleared in that pair, and if anybody would clear tuf for that reason you would

Skitter what do you think about faker's emphasis on her own range atm

i don't get it, i'm not sure why she thinks i'm supposed to think she's outside of her range, or what i'm supposed to think scum-her does differently, or why i'm failing these expectations

[Faker]

Skitter what do you think about faker's emphasis on her own range atm

It might not be useful but I do feel compelled to note the difference between "I am too strong/not strong enough to do X" and "This suggestion of yours goes against every conception I have of how to play the alignment and I don't consider it even for a second, much in the same way that I don't consider randomly wrenching the handlebars while riding a bicycle" and skitter's suggestions frequently fall in the latter with impressive consistency.

[skitter30]

ok the latter bit is the bit that i apparently don't know then, i'm not sure why you consider these things to be that unlikely

[Coral]

Being reminded of similar gamestates where consensual felt really hard because neither scum pushed one nor a townie pushed one that was a rebuttal of what scum wanted, maybe

I usually follow your way of phrasing things but you lost me a bit here

[Isis]

*consensus

[Isis]

You ever played a game where it didn't seem possible to hammer anything and all the lurkers were maf

[Isis]

If faker earnestly believes she's out her range it doesn't matter if she's wrong does it

[skitter30]

i resoundly don't believe faker is out of her range
and don't believe she thinks she is either

she's basically arguign that she thinks to do what i'm accusing her of would be so *bad* as scum that she would never do such a thing
and i'm kinda lost as to why:
- it would be so bad
- why she would never do such a thing

and she could argue this convincingly as scum whether or not it's true so i would kinda be wary of giving her points that she 'earnestly believes' anything that she's saying about her own scum meta

[Faker]

lol

[Isis]

Hm I take some of these points.

More than that I don't like how she is trying to hold you to a soft townread on gamma so much

[skitter30]

lol

i mean i learned my lesson well. would like to hear how you think i'm misunderstanding your scum meta here

(also if ur scum ur p obviously starting to set me up as a flip, just noting that i see that)

[Faker]

I'm not. I used it to ask what changed, because she didn't describe or acknowledge a change until two different people asked.

She can go read the Gamma ISO and come away with a scumread from it if she wants, I might object to the reasoning but I'm not trying to keep her read on it in stasis. I've linked it to her repeatedly.

I don't leash myself to Gamma Emerald's posting ever because I strongly believe that he literally does not know how to play the game. I have a 5 year record of believing this, and skitter witnessed it firsthand in Slaughter Hour.

[Ydrasse]

VOTE COUNT 3.1

[2]

marcistar

: SirCakez, The Ugly Fruit

[1]

skitter30

: Meuh

[1]

Meuh

: skitter30

[7]

Not voting

: Aristeia, marcistar, Titus, Isis, GuiltyLion, Coral, Faker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day two ends in (expired on 2022-06-29 23:42:43)

MOD NOTES

• please let me know if there are any errors, i do this by hand.

• have fun!

[Faker]

i mean i learned my lesson well. would like to hear how you think i'm misunderstanding your scum meta here

(also if ur scum ur p obviously starting to set me up as a flip, just noting that i see that)

I will let the postgame speak for itself for the first. The second is not viable in any given partner world.

[Faker]

I don't leash myself to Gamma Emerald's posting ever because I strongly believe that he literally does not know how to play the game. I have a 5 year record of believing this, and skitter witnessed it firsthand in Slaughter Hour.

For further context, in something like 9/10 games of opposing alignments, I had a 100% record on reading Gamma

on Day 1

and a 100% record on getting him to townread me as scum.

His scum posting was so bad in one Micro that it instantly flipped my read on my (wrong) strongest TR to my strongest SR, which won the game outright. I flagged for him that he had a bad habit of putting his entire mafiateam in the scumpile across a good 4/5 games and he proceeded to do it again for another two. In Slaughter Hour, he had to force me out of the game and make a public display of breaking the "No outside communication" rule to salvage his slot.

People misread him, it does happen, and I especially know that some people unfamiliar with him get baited by his tone into miselimming him. Do I ever in a million years count on players reading scum-Gamma as town? Not in a million years.

[Faker]

[skitter30]

I don't leash myself to Gamma Emerald's posting ever because I strongly believe that he literally does not know how to play the game. I have a 5 year record of believing this, and skitter witnessed it firsthand in Slaughter Hour.

For further context, in something like 9/10 games of opposing alignments, I had a 100% record on reading Gamma

on Day 1

and a 100% record on getting him to townread me as scum.

His scum posting was so bad in one Micro that it instantly flipped my read on my (wrong) strongest TR to my strongest SR, which won the game outright. I flagged for him that he had a bad habit of putting his entire mafiateam in the scumpile across a good 4/5 games and he proceeded to do it again for another two. In Slaughter Hour, he had to force me out of the game and make a public display of breaking the "No outside communication" rule to salvage his slot.

People misread him, it does happen, and I especially know that some people unfamiliar with him get baited by his tone into miselimming him. Do I ever in a million years count on players reading scum-Gamma as town? Not in a million years.

this is a fair point, ty

[marcistar]

can u guys argue better

[Isis]

Faker what do you think skitter is

[Aristeia]

Marci what's your read on Meuh rn?