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[Isis]

None of the townreads with her come with reasoning iirc (in most recent memory was cakez who rarely provides reasoning so idk)

I just think Skitter exhibits a different tone and play style as scum that I have not seen here. And she's attacked a lot more as town bc scum like to mislim her

Idt anyone has attacked her this game except me I'm conftown lel

[Isis]

I dont really see any reason Pav should be scumread at this point and it makes me wary of the motion in that direction.
VOTE: Meuh

Like this feels like how scum would defend their partner

-Through scumreading a third party

-While not actively stating they think their partner is town

Especially how much this setup make red flips bad for the scumteam

kinda early/convenient to be making partner reads?

of course there's context in that Meuh was voting Pav earlier, and I know that other people have speculated about Pav and potential Pav partners throughout the game, but something in this post kinda feels a little too aware about Pav's flip being red, especially when Meuh wasn't even voting Pav anymore here

Guilty Lion why would you ever quote a post where your partner defended your third in Mafia thats dirty shuffling your opponents deck by putting exodia on top (royal flush for a more accessible reference)

[Isis]

Oh wait beat is town

You could be right

[Isis]

In my heart Titus solved the game d1 etc

[Coral]

I townread worst, Ari, Meuh, Marci, skitter, GL
Scumread Gamma and Beat for sure, Titus is sliding in here and I had Isis as scum but I haven't hated her recent posts
Leaving me with the question marks of Pav, TUF

Cakez, when did your marci read change and what posts caused the change?

[Coral]

Ari 6 (Coral, Meuh, Pavo, Skit, GLion, Cakes)
Coral 4 (Meuh, Ari, Glion, Isis)
Meuh 2 (Skit, Glion)
Isis 2 (Meuh, Glion)
Titus 2 (Coral, Gamma)
Skit 2 (Pavo, Gamma)
GLion 1 (Coral)

Refuses 2 (Marci, Titus)

I think this is also important to track for VCA. I don't know if Ari was especially clear about who she would be likely to pick, but it seems that Pav at least thought that there was a chance she wouldn't pick him. If he thought that, others on the scum team may have thought so as well

[Coral]

i realize that alone isn't super helpful since most of the people healing Ari are uncleared, which is interesting in itself. maybe. i guess its maybe slightly less likely that it's exactly faker/marci? i wasn't really considering that as a likely pairing anyway, though

[Isis]

I thought I voted for Ari was her heal vc wrong or did I not?

[Isis]

Please resolve this discrepancy amongst obvtowns to solve the game

[Isis]

I think I rehealed coral for emphasis and she interpreted as replacement maybe

[Aristeia]

yea I did sorry :<

[Aristeia]

Ari 6 (Coral, Meuh, Pavo, Skit, GLion, Cakes)
Coral 4 (Meuh, Ari, Glion, Isis)
Meuh 2 (Skit, Glion)
Isis 2 (Meuh, Glion)
Titus 2 (Coral, Gamma)
Skit 2 (Pavo, Gamma)
GLion 1 (Coral)

Refuses 2 (Marci, Titus)

I think this is also important to track for VCA. I don't know if Ari was especially clear about who she would be likely to pick, but it seems that Pav at least thought that there was a chance she wouldn't pick him. If he thought that, others on the scum team may have thought so as well

maybe the scum team really thought I would use my lucky hat and that's better odds than the inevitable death of Pavo

[Isis]

I ended up coronated in the end didn't i

[Aristeia]

your radiance was undeniable

[Isis]

If scum healed me for crown iCry

[Aristeia]

Oh I was also thinking about meuh's post

Do you think Pavowski is scummier individually or more vca, flow of the tides.

To me he's scummy in a circumstantial way if that makes any sense?
The general position he's in, the way he has interacted with others and others have treated him, the feeling of some people being aware of him being scummy, while some seem to prefer ignoring his existence, I guess. It all makes me uneasy.

Who do you think falls into each camp here?

hmmm
I assume you mean the camp of aware vs ignoring?
I'm gonna take a look at people's ISOs to get the accurate picture of it all
Note that ignoring doesn't mean no mention of Pav, it means more so less harsh stances and less attention on him:

Aware: Me, Titus, Ari, Coral, GL
Ignoring: Marci, Fruit, Worstie, Gamma, Isis, Cakez, Skitter
Pavowski: Pavowski

Things that stuck out to me while looking at this:
-Coral and TW have given significantly different amounts of attention to Pav.
-Isis barely mentions him, considering her postcount
-It's even worse for Skitter, who also barely mentions him. From what I can see she literally didn't talk about him until 1691, which is impressive.

Does this post feel like Meuh is pre-emptively preparing to tie people to Pavo and make him sink them to the bottom of the ocean?

[Isis]

If my read on meuh is wrong all my reads are wrong

Ok except coral I guess

[Aristeia]

Looking at how Pavo became a thing on D2:


2051 Meuh votes Pavo (1)
2057 Ari says would vote Pavo
2060 Cakes says would vote Pavo
Me, Skitter Isis have a convo about wagonning Pavo to "try it"
2075 Skitter votes Pavo (2)
2077 Ari votes Pavo (3)
2099 Titus says "consider her vote on Pavo too" while voting Isis
2128 Titus votes Pavo (4)
2129 GLion says he might vote Pavo after sleeping on it
2143 Isis "Pavowski where r u?"
2152 A Wild Pavowski appears!
2182 This post by Gamma I think is her most town!indicative one because it's so off the charts in the emotional spew.. She seems extremely upset that Pavowski accepted Marci's "joke reason" while dismissing her "thought out reason" which is kind of insane for her to have that reaction to her scum partner. If this is Scum!Gamma faking it, I'm very impressed by this because it looks so real.
2205 GLion votes Pavowski
2219 Meuh begins to pivot to Fruit by POE? Like this is such a weird look to me because I don't see why she's changing her mind on Pavowski who she wanted to begin with.
2233 Coral writes a bit about Pavo. Is this scum fencesitting or town expressing a nuanced deep thought? I lean toward the latter but I'm biased she looks so good in her sundress
So in this sequence Coral writes a really long post about skitter
Gamma votes Coral
Coral votes Gamma
Isis votes Skitter
lots of chaos

2296 Gamma says some stuff about TUF
2299 Meuh says TUF is chilling inf wolf chat
2300 Gamma wants to deal with TUF
2303 Marci says Fruit is weird
2305 Meuh votes TUF
2311 Isis says maybe we flip Pav
2313 Meuh post on Awareness of Pavo [feels super weird for someone who just vote switched off Pavo]
2318 Ari unvotes Pavo [Hat Plan LOL]

Titus is calling out Meuh for "derailing" Pavo here.

Then there's a bunch of stealth fighter memes and townblocking time.

Uh I dunno I feel maybe I'm confbiased on Meuh unvoting.

Because I guess if Meuh!scum thinks TUF/Gamma are never voting for Pavo, she can just unvote and the wagon never gets over the edge right?

It's like maybe she was just doing it to distance, started it on pavo a few times, then it gained traction and she didn't actually want to ram it through or she wanted to make her own position on the wagon look worse so it wouldn't be a "huh" moment when she doesn't get conftowned?

I dunno I think I'm spinning in circles here on meuh.

[Aristeia]

I guess I'm just confused why Meuh decides to unvote where she did because

(1) Pavo didn't do anything townie
(2) the people voting Pavo and joining her weren't being scumread by her?

it's such a weird hop off to me.

[Aristeia]

If my read on meuh is wrong all my reads are wrong

Ok except coral I guess

I trust your reads I am ready to sheep the Queen again

[Faker]

I'm still going to read if I have time tomorrow but I'm also fine getting carried this game.

I think marci's last set of posts+the ones I looked at earlier weren't too nervous or selfconscious. Claiming to not know the elim pool isn't rocket science but I liked it. This post at me/skitter was bold.

[Faker]

It'd be great and flashy and all if I could read and make a real contribution, but as was the case with Pavowski the bar doesn't need to be that high. Don't actively play like shit and just win the game.

[Coral]

The way people position themselves around her gives me the impression she's someone scum want as a lim at some point.

This is surprising to me! I didn't really get that impression, I thought it was mostly Isis who was scumreading her right now. What names were you thinking of here?

Following along with Ari's post, and I'm reminded of this, which I think got lost in the shuffle a bit with the responses to my longer post about skitter. I don't think I ever got a response here. Meuh, do you remember who you were referring to with this? I remember thinking it was kind of an odd thing to say

[Coral]

skitter was the person being referred to, if that's not clear

[skitter30]

I guess I'm just confused why Meuh decides to unvote where she did because

(1) Pavo didn't do anything townie
(2) the people voting Pavo and joining her weren't being scumread by her?

it's such a weird hop off to me.

I really think its meuh, this just seems so scummy to me