Open 856: Deputy cultists (Game over)

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VOTE: Korina

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I'll read up on this tonight

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Overall setup sucks. All PRs are basically Innocent Atheists.

Why sign up? This shit is really annoying just on a general level.

VOTE: cat.jpeg

You seem a little too wrapped up in the mechanics discussion.

Umm, what? The lowest poster of the three (Cat, Korina, Enchant). Not making sense to me that.

my vote stays static now, have fun.

VOTE: korina

That's hot.

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6 pages of set up talk made that an incredibly difficult read.

VOTE: Jacket

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Sure, if you're literally only looking at post numbers and not actual content it doesn't make sense. Absolutely baffling comment.

No. What's baffling is that you think Cat has been posting more mechanic based content than Enchant.

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So Enchant isn't 'wrapped up in it' despite posting about it in almost every single post?

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VOTE: cat.jpeg

You seem a little too wrapped up in the mechanics discussion.

I mean, you can read your vote for yourself. It's right here.

Tell me that's not what you said.

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Except for someone else who plays cult a lot apparently believes they shouldn't claim. So are you saying one of them has to be scum for having opposing theories?

Again though, this doesn't relate whatsoever to what your vote post *actually* says

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So could be town working through hypothetical scenarios, no?

What is the scum motivation behind those posts considering, as you say, they offer nothing?

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Opinion that nobody asked for: I agree that Enchant's posting seems to be clearly from a Town perspective, while Cat.Jpeg's posts are more nullish. Not sure if I would call them Scummy, but they're definitely not moving anything forward. BBT's interpretations feel to be bad faith.

I haven't said anything about Enchant regarding a read.

What about my interpretations are bad faith? And if you believe this, you should probably vote me

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I'm saying you seem to think Enchant is town because she is 'game solving'.

I'm saying someone has suggested a completely opposite theory (meaning that Enchant's proposed theory *could* be scum motivated) but you haven't considered this apparently.

Explain the Korina read?

I thought your vote was pretty simple, too. It said you voted for someone who was wrapped up in game mechanics. But it turns out it wasn't for that but because their game theory posts are null? Which are two different reasons and so now I'm confused.

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148 feels bad faith since it seems clear to me Jacket's vote was about the quality of the discussion, not the quantity. 151 is trying to make Jacket seem like Scum by a very dumb "gotcha" as opposed to actually trying to understand what he's saying in 150. 156 is trying to force out a contradiction that doesn't actually mean anything for Jacket's alignment. And 159 feels like bad faith questioning because asking what's the "Scum motivation for posting bad posts" is a bad question. Obviously Scum wouldn't post bad posts if they thought it would get them caught. Scum posts bad posts if they're careless or don't know better. It's a loaded question.

Jacket's vote was in no way clear about the intent of his vote being the quality of discussion. That's complete bullshit.

151 is flat out facts. Like, it's just facts.

Moving goalposts for reasoning on a vote isn't alignment indicative for you? Alright, noted.

Scum want to influence the game, no? So by arriving at a nothing conclusion it doesn't appear to do anything to forward a scum win-con. Whereas town are much more likely to spew random thoughts that don't really lead anywhere. Especially if not familiar with the set-up (which I don't know if Cat is but he doesn't seem to be?)

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Bella, you're town reading me already?

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Unlike you to town read me so early, Bella.

What has Korina been doing that makes them not Cult, RH9?

Given that Korina opposes Enchants method for D1, have you considered that Enchant's posting could come from a scum perspective?

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UNVOTE:

Alright, so we got the Governor claim and two vengefuls.

Narrows the game down a bit providing no CCs. Will give this game some proper time once I finish work today

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Me thinks Titus needs looking at

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I thought that, too.

Just seems too risky I think

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No, she thinks they're town.

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So, I'm guessing, and bare with me because I'm just spitballing here...

She thinks you're cultist and Beat is Cult Leader... Shock! Drum rolls etc etc.

I know, I know. I'm really good at reading between the lines.

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But that's impossible if Bella is Cult Leader, right?

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I'll go between the vengefuls today I think.

Nathan or Jacket. Not fussed which

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Titus and Beat need looking at though.

Probably Bella, too.

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Vote between them.

I'm inclined to agree that scum may not be the first to claim Venge though so maybe just Nathan

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Just curious considering that if you want to vote a Vengeful claim, you'd probably better off including me in the elimination pool.

I've decided yours is the most believable claim of the three and I'm pretty happy that you're town.

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VOTE: Nathan

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SK is different and meta is meta.

SK still want to find scum remember

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For anyone wondering;

Good catch.
Do you think that BBT should be Venged?

Could you remind me when to watch out for Vengeful claims?

This *could* be scum with great foresight but I just don't see it.

RH9 is looking for advice from someone they believe is town on how to play his role.

If we agree that Scum!Jacket isn't first to claim, then that leaves Nathan.

I'm in line with Korina's thinking on elimming a Cultist.

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I'm believe scum are demoralised with all the 'game-solve' talk from earlier.

What is making it worse though is that whoever is town is also similarly disinterested and I don't understand why? Why is nothing happening? Scum should be very easy to spot here with an active town.

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There are too many slots playing this game exactly how a CL would; Bella, Titus, Beat and Cat.

That's over a third of the playerlist - if you're town in that list, could you, like, do something?

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Have you seen how often RH9 softed Venge?

Unless he planned it from the very start, which is of course a possibility, he is by far the most likely to be Vengeful

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Actually let's do it funny way.

Play game like normal, and on 3 days before deadline force Vengefuls to claim. Therefore we will know who could tried push them and vice versa.

Sounds like a great idea to me.

because if they refuse to kill who we said, we killed cult anyways, and vengefuls should be killed for double-elims anyways?

Sounds like a good plan to me.

Promoting this plan is anti-town.

Got that.
How about forcing all to claim if they get put to E-1 on D1. If they don't agree to consensus shot, look for associations and get rid of any potential cult-partners?

Got that.
Thanks, Enchant.
By the way, what happens if there ends up being more than 2 Vengeful claims?

This is, what, saying that you've never seen Scum attempt to actively lurk by putting out posts that seem like content but don't actually go anywhere? That is the entirety of my Scumread on RH9, how come you didn't attack me over it?

Good catch.
Do you think that BBT should be Venged?

... really i am dissapointed.

You all really considering that hiding PR, sole useful purpose is ability to shot IF they mislimmed.

Literally bonkers. If you want miselim Vengefuls so much, why not do it at Day 1 as well then they claim, hm?

Well.
Could you remind me when to watch out for Vengeful claims?

Vengefuls should claim today to reduce the lim pool, although we dont need the claim yet. The claims become useless after a prime dies.

Got that.
By the way, I might be repeating things but do you think that Vengefuls should target their own SRs or a consensus SR?

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In fact, is it +ev to elim RH9 and shoot within the less actives?

Also, if we shoot a cultist, do they still get to recruit from a Venge shot?

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Got the answer to the question earlier in thread.

So, is it still +ev to elim RH9 and shoot in the less active players? A) They need sorting and B) they're playing exactly how CL should play.

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This sounds a bit risky.

What is life without risk?

I'm almost certain RH9 is vengeful.

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VOTE: beat

Out tonight, around tomorrow.

P-edit something about the beat/rh9 interactions are weird.

Bella, talk to me about this please.

I need some interaction from you because I think you're highly likely to be CL here.

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You're probably right.

Pedit - Theory posting is NAI. I just wasn't sure how best to play this set up.

I'm assuming Jacket is just scum for both of you now then?

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If we can elim Titus/Bella I think that would be great.

I just don't see either happening.

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We got 1 day and 7 hours

Titus hasn't posted in over 2 days

This is a shitshow from town

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Furtive, this is your friendly reminder that Nathan is very likely cultist.

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Why Beat Nathan?

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You didn't ISO to find out what it was?

Furtive, I said scum claiming first was entirely possible, just more unlikely than town claiming IMO.

Also, if you read the claim post, it reads like frustrated town with the game stagnating. Claiming Vengeful to move the game forward.

I'm aware that you're most likely Cultist, yes. You could be Leader though, right? Like, you were decently enough town read that your Venge claim would be believed by enough people and we would go down the route of not elimming in the Venge pool.

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Game feels like it's stuck going nowhere, I've been waiting for something to happen but no one is actually doing anything. People are afraid to start any wagons.


Whatever. I claim vengeful.

Tell me this comes from scum frustrated with current game state.

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One scum had to CC, right? Because otherwise town are looking good with 3 conf town players in D1.

Nathan is probably the only one from the Cult that had enough towncred to carry a counter claim.

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Right, but why? Why as scum is he trying to generate content?

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Like, he is sat there thinking 'Aww man, this game state is really bad for us. If the game keeps stagnating and we end with no elim, then we would have to recruit another player and I don' t want that'

It doesn't make sense

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Well no because then Cult get to recruit another player.

If we do Vengefuls, we elim Nathan. There is a small chance he thought he had the town cred to pull of a Vengeful CC as CL.

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Nathan voting Beat is interesting given they had them as a light town read in the early game.

He hasn't gone for a Titus/Cat type player, or even Bella. But someone he was town reading.

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So one of them is most likely a non-Leader Cultist.

My thoughts are that, while the Cult Leader claiming Vengeful would really be a funny gambit, it gambles that the Town will never agree to start killing within the CC's. So overall, I find it unlikely.

So if we believe that the Leader wouldn't claim Vengeful, then it's optimal to ignore the CC's and keep trying to find them.

Hmm

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The hmm is you trying to steer discussion away from elimming vengeful pool and then also saying CL is unlikely to claim Vengeful and thus making it more likely that CL!Nathan claims Vengeful because he thinks it's an unlikely play.

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Any indication of that town read disappearing?

Or has Beat done something to earn naughty points?

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Except it wasn't being talked about when he claimed and the game was completely stagnating.

Literally 0 motivation for scum to generate content/discussion at that point.

Pedit - And so Titus isn't under the radar? Or Cat?

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What about Bella? Any thoughts there?

And can you talk a little more about Cat?

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Bella, have you seen my posts re: RH9 being almost certainly Vengeful and Jacket being extremely likely, too?

Nathan is cultist at worst

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Also I'd like everyone to give input on who they think is likely Cult outside of the Vengeful claims. BBT, includes you.

Why would we need to do this?

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Jacket, I'm happy to go with Bella, Cat or Titus.

Choose one and I'm in.

Pedit - Korina I don't understand?

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Finding a confscum gives us a better chance of finding the CL.

Titus, have you looked through the 3 Vengeful claims?

I feel I put a pretty solid case forward for why Nathan is the Cultist

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Also, if the CL is someone like you (Titus) or Cat, we learn very little in terms of a Cultist flip because you simply haven't got enough game content to go off

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Please ISO me and take a look

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Links between Bella and Nathan, too.

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I don't understand that message Enchant

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Do we definitely want to elim outside of Venge claims?

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Alright, let's go.

Assume both Vengeful's are just left alone for the rest of the game then?

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Around 22 hours left.

What we doing?

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We got 12 hours to decide

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That Cat vote is going to achieve nothing RH9, it's too late

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Nathan is almost defenitely Cultist, Bella. Out of the 3 Vengeful claims, his is the worst.

Check my ISO

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Yeah, I just noticed that plurality is a thing which kind of makes the 'no-elim=recruit' redundant.

I think Bella is the play Today.

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I'd definitely vote Cat if we thought we could get the votes.

Just worried about time.

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Nathan's role is to be the person who CCs the Vengeful as he likely had the most town cred out of the Cult. Otherwise, we had 3 conf town on D1.

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Nathan, given that you know one of Jacket/RH9 is Cult, why have you put no work in to find CL from their posts?

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I don't understand the lack of effort but I guess if that's your viewpoint then so be it.

If it's me, I'm going through Jacket's posts with a fine tooth comb and trying to show town that I'm Vengeful and CL could be a, b or c because of x, y and z.

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8 hours left and Bella is leading.

I kind of want to elim Titus.

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Because she hasn't done anything outside of theory posting

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It's not just claiming first though. It's the manner of it. It was frustrated, game is stagnant, this is boring, I claim Vengeful, hopefully something happens now.

Why do scum want to generate discussion/content?

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OK, so at the time there wasn't really a leading wagon or a general thread wise push in any direction. So it's likely not a redirection/misdirection tactic.

What makes you think it was likely that a Vengeful would claim today?

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Thread wide push*

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Can you expand on the benefits for Cult claiming Vengeful first?

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Maybe it's Cat?

Just ISO'd and not seeing a whole lot of solving going on.

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Who is Cult out of Jacket and Nathan, Furtive?

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Cat, talk to me about where you're at.

Specifically within the Vengeful claims and who you think CL is

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If we kill two vengefuls we lose two town...

We won't be able to kill cultist because they can recruit and we just lose on majority. Am I missing something here?

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I'm down to elim Cat

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4 hours or so left to go?

4 votes on Bella
2 on Cat

They're the leading wagons I think

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I don't want to die so soon this game but I also don't know if elimming bella is in towns interest if im likely gonna be elimmed tomorrow anyway. I guess bella could be CL, sure.
VOTE: Bella
I'll be back again briefly before the deadline.

Huh... That's some turnaround

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VOTE: Cat

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That Bella and Cat tied with 4?

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You're right, Cat is leading with 5

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There it is.

And now we wait.

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GoldfishFromTheMoon
GoldfishFromTheMoon
GoldfishFromTheMoon

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Ffs

VOTE: Titus/v]

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VOTE: Titus

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Just because I expect more than what she is giving so far.

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I'm not gonna lie, I'm struggling for town reads in this game.

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Yeah, I need to pay more attention to Furtive as I don't have much of a read there.

Where are you at right now, Bella?

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I'm a bit frustrated? People aren't doing the things I expect - I didn't expect town!cat to vote me, I didn't expect korina to self vote again, they also seemed to accuse enchant of slipping late yesterday, which ??, we just curb stomped a game with Titus using mech, beat seems to scum read me for three reasons, - me playing to my meta (I know, meta everything), my associations with cat (who was town) and my mech posts, which didn't happen?

Out of the scum claims, by play I do believe jackets less: I think rh9 now is just obviously town and I did get a lot out of my interaction with Nathann. People have said that 'would cult claim first ' but if it gives them a basically free ride, why wouldn't they? Someone said (sorry, still sick) that flipping in the claims might actually be positive utility?

I feel this.

I'm at a loss for town reads and so I don't know what direction to go.

Korina probably needs more attention. Their self vote at the beginning of the game has made me almost completely ignore them.

Agree on Titus, she is providing so much less than I would expect from her. Is she just Cultist thougu trying to get elimmed or does she play CL this way?

I agree on Jacket, too. If we go based purely on posts, I believe Nathan is more likely to be town than Jacket.

I'm also somewhat tempted to sort the Nathan/Jacket thing out Today, too.

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They were, I just think I gave too much weight to Jacket claiming first. It just felt (feels) very town.

Yeah, I don't see Beat myself. I think if I can sort you/Furtive/Titus then I'll be in a much better position.

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VOTE: Jacket

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Voting me is dumb. I wouldn't be claiming vengeful as cult, period.

VOTE: Bella

Might as well go back to this, I think the diversion away from her at the end of the day is pretty telling.

Why not?

Enchant, do you think we should go outside of claims?

I don't want to go all game without sorting the Jacket/Nathan thing.

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Is that not what Nathan did?

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That's where my problem lies.

Everyone seems to think it's so unlikely that CL claims Vengeful that it makes me want to think it's more likely.

What are your reads, Enchant?

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VOTE: Titus

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Will get to this when I can.

Has anything exciting happened yet?

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Titus has pretty much done nothing this entire game by the way.

We should probably do something about that.

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Can we get more votes on Titus please.

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You still think Beat is scum?

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I feel like the whole game is like that? I'm finding it way more difficult than it should be to find town.

Which means I'm constantly second guessing myself.

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Hahaha, understandable!

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Nope, none of those are scummy!

Yeah we're short on info. If we accept that RH9, Enchant, Nathan, Jacket, yourself and myself are not getting elimmed Today then that leaves Titus, Beat, Furtive and Korina.

I'm honestly good elimming any of those players. Furtive or Titus would be my main choices

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Yeah, you're probably right. I'm not the guy for mechanics/set up spec though.

If we leave Cultists today then we have to leave them for the rest of the game I think. I don't mind which way we go.

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You think Bella is scum Titus? Talk to me about it

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Who is CL Korina?

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Nice.

Who?

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OK, well can you be interested because you know, town need to play to win?

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Well, I didn't even see Jacket's vote.

Ffs

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VOTE: Bella

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Jacket is almost definitely cultist then. Well, fuck me. Makes me feel better about the early game I guess.

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Also, Korina is absolutely skating by from that early game self-vote.

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I'm voting Bella because I don't see her solving the game

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Why are we speedrunning a loss

You must be joking.

There are an insane amount of people in this game that either a) can't be bothered or b) are just not playing.

Like, what do you want to do?

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Jacket just scum claimed.

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Yeah. And we lose

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Korina/Jacket/Furtive?

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No wait, is it Beat?

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I don't know. I am desperately struggling for town reads in this game.

It's horrific.

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VOTE: Beat

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Beat comes under pressure and becomes the most active she has been all game.

I'm really happy with my vote.

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You think it's coincidence?

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He is completely avoiding the game.

Early in the game he pushed Cat as being 'wrapped up in mechanics' when I said there were two others. We know Enchant is town, but he also completely ignored Korina posting a lot regarding mechanics. Is this something?

I said Korina has skated by this game on the D1 self vote for me personally.

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my vote stays static now, have fun.

VOTE: korina

Some people are going call this a prime cultist, but I will be brave and say it's a venge.

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Go for it

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Bella, you haven't questioned my alignment all game. What's with that?

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I think bbt!scum looks like paranoia. I have questioned you,. I talked about tin hat about you. The only person in 100% sure on is rh9.

Looks like paranoia?

You make me nervous when you don't attempt to sort me.

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Why do you want to elim a Cultist? You understand town lose if we do that?

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BBT, what is your read on Bella?
You mentioned your displeasure over her lack of sorting you.
Do you think that this comes from town!Bella, scum!Bella or could come from both?

I don't know, I would expect town!Bella to be more cautious of me but she shows no signs of worrying about my alignment.

Given I have struggled for town reads in this game, I feel like I just *want* Bella to be town and have left it at that.

I could absolutely see Bella/Furtive/Jacket though

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OK, I guess that makes sense.

When I say I'm struggling for town, I mean I have Nathan, Enchant and RH9 (potentially you) and that's it. I'm struggling to read anyone outside of the conf towns. I don't really understand why either? Maybe it was all the mech talk which I find NAI almost all of the time.

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Beat/Furtive/Korina I just have no idea about

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Furtive wanting to elim Jacket probably makes him Cult though. Maybe CL?

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They're good points to be fair - though I expect one to push and one to wait if Jacket is Prime. If Jacket is CL, then we deserve to lose for not sorting the claims on D1. We can't really afford any mistakes now.

Furtive, do you have anything at all to support your Jacket CL push?

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Jacket isn't even attempting to pretend to solve anymore.

I guess we go Beat and hope for the best?

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Explain again.

Like I'm 5.

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I reckon RH9 is Cult not Nathan, I like Nathan.

When did he soft?

Haha.

Oh, YOU noticed RH9 softing, did you?

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I'll YOLO vote Jacket.

No-one seems to give a fuck in this game anyway

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Jacket could be baiting CL though or trying not to give away any associatives

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Not yet, I don't know what we're waiting for.

Beat taking so long to be elimmed gives me good feelings though?

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Because I think if she is town she is dead by now? She has two town on the wagon at least it really wouldn't be hard for Cult to finish that wagon, no?

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Like, look how quickly Titus got elimmed?

Compare to Beat

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Well, Jacket hasn't jumped on so there's that?

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I suppose that's true

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RH9, you understand Jacket is Cult, right?

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Voting Jacket loses the game for town immediately.

What is going on?

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Is there anything you're specifically waiting for?

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@bbt, why would it lose immediately? You are that sure he's not leader?

The time for sorting between the Vengeful claims has passed.

If we hit Cultist today, which is much more likely than CL, then we lose.

If Jacket is CL, it serves us right for not sorting the slots on earlier days

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Furtive, Jacket and Beat seems legit.

Can we please elim Beat now?

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Fingers crossed.

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Trolling?

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Mass claim killed this game before it ever got started.

Genuinely one of the worst games I've ever played and I don't even care what the result is

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I didn't realise mass claim was common in opens.

Are you saying mass claim didn't kill this game?

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Jacket/Furtive is almost definite.

Then for me it's between Bella/Korina.

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But you know I'm not scum so...

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Can we hit Cultist today and survive?

If so, is it worth it?

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@jacket, I think you and bbt is probably t v t, I thought enchant was getting townier before the claim, nathaan is probably town, and then I'm not sure.

In terms of content, Titus is lacking severely, but I kind of vibe with what Nathann was saying about rh9. I feel similarly about beat as well - they are posting but I forget them

If Bella is CL, I'd think she would take this opportunity to push Prime!Jacket, no?

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I think Bella is town and that leaves Korina as CL

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Why do you keep doing that?

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Imagine Jacket is CL

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I've led 3 mislims so if someone else could give it a shot or just fucking do something that would be fantastic

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Furtive pushing Jacket does give me pause but he's not exactly pushing hard is he.

He is also completely aware that nobody is following him and that makes the push safe?

Pedit - I just meant imagine if we lose and Jacket was CL all along just chilling doing literally fuck all to win the game. Would be kind of annoying.

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I am from 'the north' hahaha.

I'm willing to take the risk on Jacket, not gonna lie. I don't want CL!Jacket to win based on a complete free pass

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I keep forgetting, even though you *just* reminded me that it's not our decision

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Nathan, how about Jacket being CL?

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Why you all was not fine previous day then.

Because you would get converted and we'd lose if we got it wrong

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Said the wolf to the sheep

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We couldn't afford to kill prime D3 because of Enchant convert. That won't matter after Today so we can take the risk now

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5 town 3 scum

We elim a Prime. 5 town 2 scum.

Cult recruit. 4 town 3 scum.

What am I missing?

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Absolutely.

Vote Jacket.

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Oh really?

How so?

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Because you've been helping solve the game?

Or because you're Cultist?

Or because you're CL?

Which one?

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Scumclaim

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What if we elim Furtive?

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Wondering whether Furtive actually gives us more info than Jacket

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Me too.

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I don't think it's likely Furtive flips town though FWIW

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Possibly? Especially if we don't think CL claims vengeful because pool is too narrow?

Also, has Furtive been pushed this game? At all? By anybody?

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You clearly haven't pushed it because that's news to me.

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Great, well done you for being so anti-town or just playing to your win con then?

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Did they though?

Yeah, sure, you got wagoned at the VERY BEGINNING of the game and self-voted. Since then, you have barely been pushed (hence 3 people being mislimmed and you not being one of them, you know?) so to use that as an excuse for your non-participation is frankly bullshit. If you got ignored, you would have been elimmed, no?

Mafia is a social game. To self-vote and then just not participate at all because your feelings are hurt is just playing against your win-con if you're town. You need to convince town why you're right and why they should listen. Not throw a hissy-fit because people were not dropping at your every word.

If you're town, you have had an appalling game and you should take responsibility for that. If you're scum,well played. You AtE'd the shit out of everyone.

In fact, bar maybe Today where the pool is much smaller, where have you been pushed throughout D1, D2 and D3?

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Bella, Bella, Bella.

How you gonna do that to me?

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Bella is CL by the way

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Because Furtive and Jacket are Cultist.

ISO Bella and look at her interactions. She has also come under 0 suspicion all game, I believe. Except for maybe Beat?

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Bella, you had me this game. I'll give you that.

I'll be keeping a much closer eye on you in future games. Maybe I just wanted you to be town too much

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That post you quoted looks like a clear set up by the way.

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Bella, it has to be you <3

You're confirmed Cult to me and probably CL.

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^ same, but for 'i keep leading wagons on town' bbt
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Nice. I like this.

You have to try and push me now. Go for it.

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I want to do that though.

I'm actually secretly impressed I have to say. You pocketed the shit out of me

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BBT, what is your read on Bella?
You mentioned your displeasure over her lack of sorting you.
Do you think that this comes from town!Bella, scum!Bella or could come from both?

I don't know, I would expect town!Bella to be more cautious of me but she shows no signs of worrying about my alignment.

Given I have struggled for town reads in this game, I feel like I just *want* Bella to be town and have left it at that.

I could absolutely see Bella/Furtive/Jacket though

Aww man, look at that.

It was within reach!

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I'm just claiming I could have been right.

I'm loving the sass <3

I'll put the work in if I really have to but I feel this is pretty clear.

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Here's a thought: What if CL decided to claim vengeful.

This is partly because I'm not over my RH9 sus.

This confirms to me that Furtive or Bella are CL. I think it's likely to be Bella.

Reading through ISOs now.

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I think you might be jumping at shadows? I don't think scum leader bbt has this many casual bad takes.

Haha, this is your attempt at my 'shit VCA' comment isn't it.

Cheeky girl.

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Outside of vengeful claims I think Korina/Beat look Prime and Bella/Cat/Titus for Leader.

That Bellaphant E-2 from Korina stands out to me as a culty move. I get the feeling Bella isn't CL based on the way some culty people are happy with this vote.

Look how quickly Furtive managed to remove Bella from his CL pool here.

I could go for Bella or cat, I don't necessarily want to vote Titus because she doesn't seem like she's even trying to look town. I'd also vote furtive, his posts have really taken a nosedive for me.

ISO Furtive, Jacket and Bella together. Furtive and Jacket are consistently throwing shade at each other but neither of them show any *real* interest in pushing Bella despite mentioning her name a couple of times as an option.

It's Bella.

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Enchant is Governor.

Jacket/Nathann/RH9 claimed Vengeful.

Me/BBT/Bella claimed VT.

This means BBT/Bella are confirmed Cult. I need to re-evaluate things.

Nice reevaluation.

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Jacket hasn't been interested in anything. Actually I wonder if that explains your frustration with the game...

What frustration?