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Post Post #3175 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:13 am

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Considering I don't think a single person went into their reserves, idk if that's true? But maybe people would be less scared of getting into their reserves so they'd post more. (Wasn't Lukewarm on day 2 the only one who got close?)

To me it feels like compelling the players to compile their thoughts into 1 post is good so we don't get people flooding the thread. (I'm probably the one who did this the most this game so :lol:) But if it prevents shitposting it's less good. So it's good and bad. Don't know what to make of it, but I'd definitely not be opposed to playing another postcap game in the future.
I'm also curious about the impact it had on private thread activity (and if this is good or bad for the health of the game)
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Post Post #3176 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:17 am

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percentage based postcaps also interest me as a way to specifically stop 1-3 players from just hijacking the thread, but they sound harder to implement. Plus harder to follow, both for players and hosts.
and also it feels like it'd punish people for trying to make a game more active when a large amount of the list aren't doing much, which sounds not very fun.
So maybe just a preset universal cap like this one is good.
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Post Post #3177 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:19 am

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Actually, I realistically don't care anymore. Rhyme & Reason's play has been genuinely pathetic and I want them to lose this game. I won't selfvote because then I'll get yelled at for gamethrowing, but realistically their play should be seen as the single biggest determinant factor in this town loss. It's not about being wrong, of course - everyone is going to be wrong at points in a game of mafia and plenty of people have been wrong. It's the fact that as confirmed town, they and Bell have been completely gutless and spineless, utterly inept and unwilling to take charge or engage substantively. It is genuinely infuriating and the most absurdly poor play imaginable. Make no mistake, they are the single biggest catalysts of a loss here.

So go ahead and vote me.
I will be flipped, and I will reveal as town, and then I will be MORE confirmed town than either of them. (I don't think it's likely that either of them have been falsely cleared by bastard shenanigans or a godfather role. But the only way to be 100% sure is when someone is dead and revealed by the moderator). After that, you should listen to
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You will do the following:

Invictus Dunnstral.
I have had one scumread since the start of day 2. The game has repeatedly refused to kill him, while he has continued to do nothing but reactively accuse those who suspect him. It completely pathetic if you allow yourselves to lose to someone who has done as little as he has. He is flamingly obvious scum.

Kill Meuh, then Fey.
The order realistically doesn't matter here, you can do it the other way around, but the spiteful side of me wants Meuh shoved over during the day because I think she's pushing absolute bullshit right now.

That
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net you at least 2/3 scum, if not the entire team. If not, you were pretty much always going to lose this game.

Depends on flips:

If Fey is somehow town -> kill gammagooey.
His protection of Meuh and attempts to un-align her and Dunnstral while pushing Fey as an elim have obvious scum motivation.

If Meuh is somehow town -> kill fire.
His attempt to divert the elim to her today is an obvious setup to get me invictus'd tonight and win the game outright for scum. Gammagooey is never scum with a Dunn/Fey team.


I think this is a reasonable and logical path forward. It should be enough to win the game in spite of the play of the clears, as long as they have the sense to actually LISTEN to what other people are saying in this game for once.
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Post Post #3178 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:22 am

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I say meuh/fey because those two were the ones who did the most obvious work at dismantling a Dunnstral wagon. If it's some scenario where scum were trying to bus him and town pulled the vote off, then again, we just deservedly lose there. But I don't think that is super likely.
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Post Post #3179 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:25 am

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In post 3125, Prism wrote:No elimination has been achieved. The Day 4 deadline is in 2 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes.
If Bell/R&R continue to dither and hedge uselessly, I will vote myself in 24 hours, for the sake of ensuring an elimination actually happens. I frankly do not trust them to act decisively within the time alotted.
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Post Post #3180 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:53 am

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Fey and Gammagooey have been prodded. They have 24 hours to post before I begin searching for a replacement.
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Post Post #3181 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:09 am

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In post 3179, gorilla wrote:
In post 3125, Prism wrote:No elimination has been achieved. The Day 4 deadline is in 2 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes.
If Bell/R&R continue to dither and hedge uselessly, I will vote myself in 24 hours, for the sake of ensuring an elimination actually happens. I frankly do not trust them to act decisively within the time alotted.
I mean, I'd much rather people just vote whoever they SR, like, sitting around the entire D4 cause "must sheep clears" gets us exactly no where...
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Post Post #3182 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:10 am

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plus, we have 0 information going into the night with VC analysis stuff..

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Post Post #3183 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:37 am

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Bleh. I'll vote whoever. It feels like everyone is viable and trying to hardline decide who I wouldn't kill for the sake of being alive right now is... difficult, which is also stupid because of how like. Easy it looks, opportunistic.

I guess I'd default to Meuh ATP. I've softened on gorilla and Gamma enough for different reasons.

Feels weird everyone's complaining about Dunnstral but no one's like doing anything about Dunnstral. Maybe I'm missing why though.
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Post Post #3184 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:38 am

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VOTE: Meuh

I don't have anything else to offer/claim, wasted my shots I guess but felt the best choice in a game like this. At least I was right on Lavar.
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Post Post #3185 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:18 am

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In post 3181, Kovu wrote:
In post 3179, gorilla wrote:
In post 3125, Prism wrote:No elimination has been achieved. The Day 4 deadline is in 2 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes.
If Bell/R&R continue to dither and hedge uselessly, I will vote myself in 24 hours, for the sake of ensuring an elimination actually happens. I frankly do not trust them to act decisively within the time alotted.
I mean, I'd much rather people just vote whoever they SR, like, sitting around the entire D4 cause "must sheep clears" gets us exactly no where...
I am voting who I scumread. Bell and R&R are holding the game hostage with their terrible play. What more can I do?

I'll move over to Meuh if there's will there. It is genuinely impossible to eliminate her if she's scum, though. You won't get the votes.
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Post Post #3186 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:21 am

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I guess Bell is voting Fey. If he's decided on that vote I will follow it.
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Post Post #3187 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:23 am

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Hi.
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Post Post #3188 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:33 am

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In post 3175, Meuh wrote:Considering I don't think a single person went into their reserves, idk if that's true? But maybe people would be less scared of getting into their reserves so they'd post more. (Wasn't Lukewarm on day 2 the only one who got close?)

To me it feels like compelling the players to compile their thoughts into 1 post is good so we don't get people flooding the thread. (I'm probably the one who did this the most this game so :lol:) But if it prevents shitposting it's less good. So it's good and bad. Don't know what to make of it, but I'd definitely not be opposed to playing another postcap game in the future.
I'm also curious about the impact it had on private thread activity (and if this is good or bad for the health of the game)
In post 3176, Meuh wrote:percentage based postcaps also interest me as a way to specifically stop 1-3 players from just hijacking the thread, but they sound harder to implement. Plus harder to follow, both for players and hosts.
and also it feels like it'd punish people for trying to make a game more active when a large amount of the list aren't doing much, which sounds not very fun.
So maybe just a preset universal cap like this one is good.
Last question.

@Everyone: one person who do you want to kill? Who is essentially your top scum read. Keep it extremely concise.
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Post Post #3189 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:35 am

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In post 3078, Dunnstral wrote:For real though, I don't think I make sense in any team because I was almost eliminated on day 3. And I feel like every time the votes are on me the game goes dead silent. There were 2-3 mafia voting me at the same time on day 3
Dunnstral lost the previous game with the worst response by a mile.
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Post Post #3190 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:40 am

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In post 3175, Meuh wrote:Considering I don't think a single person went into their reserves, idk if that's true? But maybe people would be less scared of getting into their reserves so they'd post more. (Wasn't Lukewarm on day 2 the only one who got close?)

To me it feels like compelling the players to compile their thoughts into 1 post is good so we don't get people flooding the thread. (I'm probably the one who did this the most this game so :lol:) But if it prevents shitposting it's less good. So it's good and bad. Don't know what to make of it, but I'd definitely not be opposed to playing another postcap game in the future.
I'm also curious about the impact it had on private thread activity (and if this is good or bad for the health of the game)
In post 3176, Meuh wrote:percentage based postcaps also interest me as a way to specifically stop 1-3 players from just hijacking the thread, but they sound harder to implement. Plus harder to follow, both for players and hosts.
and also it feels like it'd punish people for trying to make a game more active when a large amount of the list aren't doing much, which sounds not very fun.
So maybe just a preset universal cap like this one is good.
*looks at watch*

Top scum read, go.
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Post Post #3191 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:55 am

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Dunnstral
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Post Post #3192 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:03 am

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In post 3188, Bell wrote:@Everyone: one person who do you want to kill? Who is essentially your top scum read. Keep it extremely concise.
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Post Post #3193 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:07 am

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Dunn/Fey in lim and invictus gets us to day 5 like 99% of the time
Unless we live in the cursed Fire/Gamma/Gorilla world, in which case I’ll just cry
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Post Post #3194 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:29 am

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@Bell - Fey

Omw home after visiting my dad, ill be available to talk about shit around 9/9:30 eastern
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Post Post #3195 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:40 am

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In post 3188, Bell wrote:@Everyone: one person who do you want to kill? Who is essentially your top scum read. Keep it extremely concise.
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Post Post #3196 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:26 pm

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Right, we’re doing Gorilla

VOTE: gorilla

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Post Post #3197 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:31 pm

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Dunn, vote gorilla if you’re still around

Meuh, put your vote back on gorilla

Kovu and Bell will vote gorilla once they get here.

There’s jackshit to read Gorilla as town from, my townreads have been overwhelmingly correct from early game which makes me want to go back to my stronger earlier reads which was that Gorilla!scum is a thing, the claim was the only clearing thing but the repeated hard dips into AtE and crying is doing nothing for me

If I’m wrong, fine, we can sheep Gorilla. But so far the “vote the scummy slot that didn’t do much” approach has been awful given that Cakez and Enchant were both town and so I think scum have had a stronger influence than it appears — who has been pushing for that type of policy lim most strongly? Gorilla

And I think there’s a major disconnect between the words and the actions e.g. trying to leave a winning blueprint while simultaneously going on about how he wants our slot to lose

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Post Post #3198 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:33 pm

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VOTE: gorilla
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Post Post #3199 (ISO) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:36 pm

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VOTE: Gorilla

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