Mini 2273: Science Diagrams That Look Like Shitposts 2 [END]

[Not_Mafia]

Strongman is a modifier, not an action

[Corwinoid]

What are all the possible modifiers that interfere with checks

Any ascetic, blocker, commuter, redirector, or relocator (bus driver). Neither of the latter two in Normal games.

[Crescent]

Also is strongman the only unblockable action here because I've seen things like unblockable roleblockers before

[Crescent]

Strongman is a modifier, not an action

My OCD is super showing right now weeeee

[Corwinoid]

Cres, Alex, Eira.
Preferably Eira

Scum me wouldn't target town!me or Crescent, regardless of her alignment. The discord is too useful. Which is why I didn't think me, her, or vivax were targets last night.

[Not_Mafia]

Strongman is a modifier, not an action

My OCD is super showing right now weeeee

Wut

[Crescent]

I didn't tell it to quote a post there and have no idea why it did.

[gibus]

What are all the possible modifiers that interfere with checks

Any ascetic, blocker, commuter, redirector, or relocator (bus driver). Neither of the latter two in Normal games.

I meant manipulative roles, yeah.

[Crescent]

And BBT had two powers that could mess with a checker type role.

But anyway, true "untargetables" don't seem to exist here. Like, in most games I've played, a bus driver can redirect a strongman-type shot, or a commuter can dodge one. They still go through direct forms of protection like doctors and bulletproof, but they actually have to be able to hit their target.

This is kinda what I needed to know.

[Crescent]

'Cause if that actually meant "all" I could see it pairing with Gibus' claim and a strongman quite well, but it doesn't work that way here.

[Not_Mafia]

But anyway, true "untargetables" don't seem to exist here.

Commuters are untargettable

[Corwinoid]

Technically so is a Hider.

Commuter would have claimed earlier Today though, right?

[Not_Mafia]

BBT had a commuter in his JOAT

[Corwinoid]

God that was a terrible launch

[Crescent]

But anyway, true "untargetables" don't seem to exist here.

Commuters are untargettable

So would a commuter beat a strongman then?

[Not_Mafia]

It would

[Not_Mafia]

Strongman modifies a kill, so that it nullifies any actions protecting their target. A commuter stops a player from being targetted in the first place.

[Crescent]

I didn't know if rolestopper was simply protection or effectively turned their target untargetable to everyone else. My brain just cannot let such questions rest yay.

Checker can be scum.. Though it's hard to see scum checker meaningfully interacting with stopper and commuter. I guess unless the checker was also another form of power. I learned in 2272 that scum doctor counters gunsmith but we don't have gunsmith here so that at least would make no sense.

Imma go have dinner.

[Eiralox]

so it's elsa/gibus. elsa reacted emotional to corwin vote. gibus only started to mount a defense now, waaaaay after elsa-attack. i can see scum elsa, but voting gibus is..... safer? maybe?

Crescent talks about Elsa claming 28 minutes after gibus and how that's not enough time, thing is elsa only contested gibus claim way after both claims so elsa culd've claimed(using redacted to play safe) and later mounbted gibus attack. Elsa/Gera team and way less likely Elsa/Vivax and others.


But..... ergh.... gibus feels green and elsa feel bliase these past few pages, except when socliding corwin, but i know im eira, i err, so chances ae my vote's still goin gibus rather than else.

[Eiralox]

one thing that worried me yesterday when walking was that scum! Elsa also wouldn't want a gibus launch, rather a misluanch D3, then maybe a misslaunch D4 and when gibus finally swings eazy scum victory.

so yesterdAY i wanbtred to come in here and vote gibus, clear this whole thing up. diduin't, got stuck in with vivey. im not gonna vote there yet. Corwin.... town points for thinking about gibus/elsa launch today. choosing elsa over bibus? well maybe gibus swayed some folk wiht good intetnions but c'mon why didn't gibus mount this exact same defense days eralier?


I recall telling gibus they have 6 days six hours and a half. that they've only come with something againbst elsa claims now well.... time constraint, studying poss game layouts, patience, idk, or simply scum gibus caught flatfooted and only now bouncing back. idk it's unicorn logic from here on out so that's all imma say now.

[Crescent]

It was less the time and more the claim had to be entirely premediated early on.

I went back over Elsa's claim and did find something interesting. For some reason I remember her reacting way more harshly to me than she did (Was it someone else? There's basically nothing in her reaction to me), but there's something even better:

Because if [Redacted] is either Doctor or Detective or possibly for scum's Roleblocker I'm not outting that shit until they kill me and see it on my card.

I'm not giving anymore hints on what it actually is.

This is a mere 10 posts after her claim in response to getting pressed, which is a direct as hell crumb, though she apparently never mentions this crumb specifically on day 3. Considering Elsa could

not

have known at the time a Jack with protective powers would flip, this is a pretty direct hint to why town Elsa would trust Gibus here. The specific fact that a different protection flipped could not have been part of a premeditated scum plan. Without that, Elsa's claim doesn't really do any significant harm to Gibus no matter what she does.

[Corwinoid]

one thing that worried me yesterday when walking was that scum! Elsa also wouldn't want a gibus launch, rather a misluanch D3, then maybe a misslaunch D4 and when gibus finally swings eazy scum victory.

Where have her votes been today?

Vivax, which looked like an easy mislaunch, and went to -1 before I cooled it off.
Not_Mafia, who town have wanted to self-destruct on all game.

She's the one pushing the mislaunch to have the gibus fight tomorrow.

[Eiralox]

one thing that worried me yesterday when walking was that scum! Elsa also wouldn't want a gibus launch, rather a misluanch D3, then maybe a misslaunch D4 and when gibus finally swings eazy scum victory.

Where have her votes been today?

Vivax, which looked like an easy mislaunch, and went to -1 before I cooled it off.
Not_Mafia, who town have wanted to self-destruct on all game.

She's the one pushing the mislaunch to have the gibus fight tomorrow.

i'm considering this and that's why a gibus launch today would make me happy.

the thing for me is...case building. els might not be fully logical but their attack on gibus/N_M and gibus/eira is brave.

would scum elsa do this? maybe.

one can say that elsa calling Gibus/N_M Gibus/Eira is Elsa protecting either Gera or Vivax for when things go ball's up but idk.

if we launch gibus and it's a doc swing we'll be more certain about elsa.

[Eiralox]

one thing that worries me is that both N_M and gibus are still bottom of elsa's pile, same as they were D1. this might be conincidence or might be strategy in motion, elsa was very evasive towards me D1 when I asked for an expansion on their gibus/gera reads.

[Corwinoid]

Same logic works for flipping Elsa first to sort gibus though too. There might, however, be another way... give me some time to work this out solidly.