Mini Normal 2275: Roguelikes - Day 3: Endgame!

[Fredrick A Campbell]

[url=viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89627&start=624]post 624[/post]
Technically that doesn't answer my question, but that may have been my fault.

How did you conclude that Confidently Wrong thought the scumteam is found because someone took issue with their read methodology?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

post 624

[Eiralox]

[url=viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89627&start=624]post 624[/post]
Technically that doesn't answer my question, but that may have been my fault.

How did you conclude that Confidently Wrong thought the scumteam is found because someone took issue with their read methodology?

Simple: where the data for pairing me with llowel/mala. Cw reads given only reason for llowel scum but out of three prob 2. So I want ed to understand how eira/mala eira/lowell fits into that.any reasonable study will show little joint ng to such a pairing. Then cw went wild and started telling me how w I should play.

And cw was certain af due to my questioning of them that theyve hit scum. So basically what im saying is my vote is a confirmation bias for cw. But I have no more to say about cw.their behavior irks me. They are bossy.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: Post 577

575 has good points. But on the other hand sometimes scum get defensive and flustered when pressured. Loftwing’s vote is the worst on the wagon so far, for sure, if Eira is town.

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and me continually stating i havenbt read lowell or Mala one way or another and Con wrong keeping saying i'm defending there? and that it's the team? i mean in what world does..... COn's vaunted 'logic' support this setup? just say its ur three scummiest players and leave it at that.
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Confidently Wrong thinks you were defending from the fact you voted them for scumreading Malakittens.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

EBWOP: Confidently Wrong thinks you were defending Malakittens from the fact you voted them for scumreading Malakittens.

[Eiralox]

EBWOP: Confidently Wrong thinks you were defending Malakittens from the fact you voted them for scumreading Malakittens.

They didnt read. I asked how they can fit mala into teams. Theres only toffee data on mala. Mala has done nothing town but by what they have done im in no way comfortable in teamforming them, theres no data. Scumread, ok. Theyre still null but that slot is zero info so acceptable. But pairing mala makes no sense data wise, and that was the gist of my pole vote.

I also openly stated I was ok with cw's scumread on lowell.
Also openly stated my willingness to vote mala. All of this inmy vote post. And still cw's main reasoning was regarding pairngs.

Thats why I find it so laughable that so many ppl are springing onto this wagon.

[Confidently Wrong]

Not to wiki post but eira do be IIoAing quite a bit

[Confidently Wrong]

I did for like a solid 5 minutes think about how a town Eira makes sense and i decided i need more info to deconfrim Eira namely waiting to see how the rest of the playerlist treat the slot in light of the wagon.
The loftwing vote is pretty clearly self pres though so I am doubtful.

[Eiralox]

Keep an open mind cw. Computer back up ill start with Loft soon.

[Eiralox]

Loftwing.

first part up to page 9. no conclusion as of yet.

Spoiler:

#12 Lofwtwing Votes Fancy Pants. Non-indicative.

#15 Eira votes Loftwing

#17 Eira votes kennyk

#20 Fred votes Fancy pants.

#44 Confidently Wrong votes Fancy Pants

#49 Irrelphant votes Fancy Pants

#66 "" SQUAAAAK!

What is Crackalackin' y'all? ""

no opinion given on Fancy Pants wagon here.

#67 Toffee>Loftwing "We're elimming Confidently Wrong"

#117 "" maladauptive kittens is drunk ""

#118 Toffee Votes CSF

#119 CSF: Why?

#120 Toffee: you disliked my push

#121 CFS: "And that's scummy because..."

#122 Loftwing>CSF: "It was a way to extort a read out of CW, which reflects bad on anyone not wishing to do the same on someone else."

#124 CW>CSF Because

#137 Fancy Pants: "As opposed to the randomly vote without explaining things gambit.

@Kenny, still looking for input.
@Loftwing, same from you please."

#139 Loftwing>Fancy Pants: "RVS. There isn't really an explanation other than "Hey, I've never seen this person before! Lets vote em.""

#146 CSF>Loftwing: "This assumes I'm not making a push to get a better read on BBT."

#148 Kennyk readlist, Loftwing included under "Everyone else is just a blank card for me right now."

#155 Loftwing>CSF: "Were you making a push on BBT to get a read on them?"

#161 Loftwing>Fred: "I don't particularly have any reads."

Take into consideration here some portions of Loftwing's current eira argument.

#162 Fred>Loftwing: "Seen everyone's post? Select a few posts that are most alignment indicative for you now and get yourself a few."

#166 Loftwing>Fred: "I have read the entire game, and nothing is particularly notable.

I do think that CSF and BBT show a genuine interest in pushing the game forward, rather than a fabricated reason to go after their respective targets."

considering some earlier behavior and the pants/cats wagons this is interesting. might come back later with better analysis.

#167: Toffee: "Fred could be scum, too.

So Fred/Kenny/???"

#168: "Loftwing: Now that you mention it, kenny hasn't said anything of substance despite saying many things.

VOTE kennyk"

#169: Toffee: VOTE kennyk

#170: Fred: VOTE Kennyk

#171: Eira: "@kennyk i don't like ur post as well but i'm not voting on it yet."

#198: Loftwing: "UNVOTE: Kennyk

I like their recent posting, it feels a lot better than before."

Loftwing is screwing into me for feeling better about kenny. Here they do it themselves.

#201: Malcolm: "@ Fancy Pants - you've suspected Kenny for being a bit too on the fence/not having any notable reads, do you find it suspect at all that Loftwing is pretty much taking an identical approach, just much more openly?

I guess the fact they're happy to admit they don't have much to say at the moment isn't something self-conscious scum would do, but I disagree with the idea there isn't much to comment on at the moment...there's plenty of content, even if it's early on.

I also think the vote/unvote for Kenny could read as quite opportunistic potentially once Loftwing saw pressure on the slot was starting to die down a bit."

Hmmm. I might single this post out later and playtest it.

#203: Conbfidenty Wrong>Malcom: "it definitely wasn't the fact that he cited kenny's post that happened between then and there that you can freely read, malcom, right."

RE: Loftwing

#204: Loftwing>Maclom: "I feel like it was a resolution to my misgivings about them, which was mainly "There's a lot of nothing here" "

#205 Malcolm>Confidently Wrong:

"I'm aware of why they've changed their mind on Kenny, and I don't disagree with what they're necessarily saying since I also don't particularly suspect Kenny right now, but then one of the jobs is scum to convincingly make town believe they're on their side, and this felt like a very easy and convenient switch for Loftwing to make after a few other players had either backed off or offered up a defence of Kenny. The fact they've done this while admitting they have no other reads of note is interesting to me."

#206 Fancy Pants>Loftwing: RE: kenny

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Which implies his recent posts aren't 'nothing' anymore, can you take a look at the posts and tell me wha you think makes them 'something'.
In other words - you had an opinion, that opinion has now changed - I'm asking you to please explain why it's changed."

#207: Loftwing>Pants:
"
This post explained why kenny felt out of place and why it felt like nothing, it was nothing but only if you were looking for reads.

Once I was satisfied, I relieved the pressure."

#219: irrelphant: "Loftwing what do you think about Confidently Wrong?"

[Confidently Wrong]

Where in the world are Lowell and Mala

[Eiralox]

Loftwing Part 2

Spoiler:

Also for reference I'm liking scum in:
{Loftwing/Kenny/Lowell/Malakittens}

Increasing the net would add {BBT, and maybe Eira}

i like this post from pants, these are good seeking reads.

@Loftwing, I'm having trouble following you.

Is this a fair characterization of your behaviour:
- You voted Kenny because he "didn't say anything of substance despite saying many things." 168
- You unvote once Kenny admit's that he wasn't saying anything of substance and was just making random comments about the game (207), this was enough to put your mind at ease and unvote him.

If I am incorrectly interpreting your posts, please treat me like I'm stupid and explain your thought process clearly.

@Kennyk, I'd still like you to follow up on post 190 please.

My Quarrel was that they were trying to decieve us into believing that they had something to say regarding their reads, when it was apparent they didn't. While I still may have my suspicions of Kenny, I feel like they are at a similar baseline that everyone else is at. They don't appear to have a bias or an agenda that they are attempting to push.

uhhh i'm nor sure waht's being said here. kenny's fooling us with the reads? kenny way more green for me than loftwing so what they're saying here and what kenny has said up to this point doesnt mesh for me.

Loftwing what do you think about Confidently Wrong?

Currently they have little credibility in my eyes, and I don't trust a word that comes from their fingers. I would be willing to throw a vote down on them should the current wagons cease to prevail.

I'm caught up. Kenny, Cats, malcolm fine for lynch. fancy begrudgingly town, mala town, irrelephant town, toffee town I guess.

This is basically a scumlean from someone saying they have no hard reads atm. I'll see how this comment playing out in context of CW voting me and Loftwing joining the wagon.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Eiralox, why did you say your reads were all null?

[Eiralox]

I'm caught up. Kenny, Cats, malcolm fine for lynch. fancy begrudgingly town, mala town, irrelephant town, toffee town I guess.

in contrast to pants' readlist on page 10 these reads dont make me feel good at all. mala town? how? Macolm fine for lynch? cats? kenny?

makes me feel way worse about llowel. after loftwing im probs gonna focus on lowell then fred.

[Eiralox]

Eiralox, why did you say your reads were all null?

ive explained this already. i seldom townread. if i don't fully trust you you're null, simple as that.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Irrelphant: Seems solvey. greenish 4 naow.

Was your read on Irrelephant null by your definition?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Fredrick A Campbell's Fourth Unofficial Votecount
Continued from Fredrick A Campbell's Fifth Unofficial Votecount

Eiralox (5): Confidently Wrong, Irrelephant11, Fredrick A Campbell, Cat Scratch Fever, Loftwing
Loftwing (4): FancyPants, Lowell, MalcolmTucker, Eiralox
kennyk (1): BlueBloodedToffee
MalcolmTucker (1): Shoshin
BlueBloodedTofee (1): Malakittens
FancyPants (1): kennyk
Confidently Wrong (0):
Malakittens (0):
Lowell (0):
Shoshin (0):
Fredrick A Campbell (0):
Cat Scratch Fever (0):
Irrelephant11 (0):

Not Voting (0):
With 13 in the jury, it takes 7 to find guilty of conspiracy to murder.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-04 11:14:00).

[Confidently Wrong]

I dont think this null discussion is going to be fruitful regardless of eiras alignment because it is being argued as semantics atp.
What I do believe is Eira is unable to present genuine reads and all of them use vague descriptors rather than incorporating genuine analysis that a towny solving would go through - eira knows the answers and cannot show the work properly essentially.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Well, I messed up the numbers in my votecount. It is the Fifth Unofficial Votecount and it is continued from the Fourth.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I dont think this null discussion is going to be fruitful regardless of eiras alignment because it is being argued as semantics atp.
What I do believe is Eira is unable to present genuine reads and all of them use vague descriptors rather than incorporating genuine analysis that a towny solving would go through - eira knows the answers and cannot show the work properly essentially.

Noted. I would still like to know if what I quoted is considered null.

[Irrelephant11]

I've lost any read on shoshin or malakittens

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Irrelphant: Seems solvey. greenish 4 naow.

Specifically, I would like to know if this read is null by Eiralox's definition of null.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Malakittens

[Eiralox]

Irrelphant: Seems solvey. greenish 4 naow.

Was your read on Irrelephant null by your definition?

definitely. chances are none of ya'll are gonna be townread by me d1. me feeling better about someone isnt me assuming their alignment is a determined thing. i have townleans, ive stated who they are, u can interpret those as reads as you wish but they're merely an expression of my current inclinations considering the situation as a whole. i don't like having a mind fettered by absolutes.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

And one of the largest reasons I was scumreading you is gone, just as I predicted once I noticed that you're probably using null differently and not lying about your reads.