[setup] The Turing Test

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[setup] The Turing Test

Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Mon May 30, 2022 1:18 am

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the turing test8x townies
5x goons

day 1 plays as normal, with the players voting someone to eliminate.
~ if the person voted out is a townie, nobody scores any points.
~ if the person voted out is mafia, the town scores 1 point.

the mafia does not have a factional kill. instead, each night, starting from n1, scum must choose two players to participate in the turing test the next day. the only requirement is that the two people participating are 1 townie and 1 mafia.

from day 2 and on, there is no votes to eliminate; instead, each day there is a turing test. the two players selected by the mafia are announced and removed from the game, but
not
flipped. the votes are locked between the two selected players, and the living players must vote for the person in the pair they believe to be mafia.
~ if a mafia member is voted out, town scores 1 point.
~ if a townie is voted out, mafia scores 1 point.

after one of the two has been hammered, the alignments of the selected players are revealed, and the game goes back to the night phase.

the first faction to reach 3 points wins.


Spoiler: original op
okay, so last night i was chatting with ducky on discord and we somehow got to the topic of ai pretending to be human and then i got the idea for this setup

the turing test10x townies
5x goons

the game is nightless, and each day has two phases:
the voting
and
the turing test
.

during the voting, everyone votes in a person they want to participate in the turing test. after majority has been achieved, the mafia chooses the second person to also participate in the turing test. they can choose anyone, the only requirement that the two people in the turing test are 1 townie and 1 scum.

then the turing test starts. the votes are locked between the two people in the turing test. once majority has been reached on either one, they
both
flip, and the game proceeds to the voting phase. if a townie has been voted out, the mafia scores a point. if a scum has been voted out, town scores a point.

the first faction to reach 3 points wins.


this is obviously partly inspired by perpetual meetlo. the numbers are also kind of arbitrary and could be shuffled around, and i don't even know if this would be fun to play, but the idea exists so i'm making this thread.
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Post Post #2 (isolation #1) » Mon May 30, 2022 1:27 am

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oh, if that wasn't clear: after the turing test is over, both players in it die and can't post anymore.
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Post Post #5 (isolation #2) » Mon May 30, 2022 11:19 am

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i think x would have to be an odd number, but yes.

also i don't think the number of townies HAS to be 2x, (i don't see why this game wouldn't work as an 8v5 for example), but 10v5 just sounded right to my brain last night.

there's probably a discussion of the overall influence the town has vs. the amount of selections mafia can make and how they impact balance, but i would need someone smarter than me for that.
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Post Post #8 (isolation #3) » Mon May 30, 2022 12:24 pm

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my ability to code is limited to a buggy tampermonkey script i made by copying georgebailey's work, so unfortunately no

at first i thought of making it 5v8 (or 5v7 even) but it felt like too much scum influence that way. but also like i don't know how to design mafia games so /shrug
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Post Post #10 (isolation #4) » Mon May 30, 2022 1:16 pm

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well, true randomness isn't allowed, but voting in the towniest player each day would make it so town has to have 3 townreads correct out of 5? which sounds... likely to happen, i guess?

hmm. not sure if there's an easy fix for it.
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Post Post #13 (isolation #5) » Mon May 30, 2022 1:27 pm

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make the game 5v8. if that fails, tell scum to git gud
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Post Post #18 (isolation #6) » Mon May 30, 2022 9:01 pm

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maybe the game as it is in the op, except remove the voting phase and make the scum pick both slots, one of each alignment?
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Post Post #20 (isolation #7) » Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:47 am

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i was out on a walk, and this idea came to me as a potential way for fixing the "the entire game is a bunch of unfun 1v1s" issue. balance is ??? but the current thing of interest is to get a working base, so

the turing test8x townies
5x goons

day 1 plays as normal, with the players voting someone to eliminate.
~ if the person voted out is a townie, nobody scores any points.
~ if the person voted out is mafia, the town scores 2 points.

the mafia does not have a factional kill. instead, each night, starting from n1, scum must choose two players to participate in the turing test the next day. the only requirement is that the two people participating are 1 townie and 1 mafia.

from day 2 and on, there is no votes to eliminate; instead, each day there is a turing test. the two players selected by the mafia are announced and removed from the game, but
not
flipped. the votes are locked between the two selected players, and the living players must vote for the person in the pair they believe to be mafia.
~ if a mafia member is voted out, town scores 1 point.
~ if a townie is voted out, mafia scores 1 point.

after one of the two has been hammered, the alignments of the selected players are revealed, and the game goes back to the night phase.

the first faction to reach 3 points wins.
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Post Post #22 (isolation #8) » Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:36 am

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i feel like if town manages to pull itself together and yeet a scum in a 8v5 with no prior info, they deserve it
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Post Post #25 (isolation #9) » Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:44 am

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7 out of 8 town need to vote together to yeet a scum

when have you seen 7/8 town agree on anything and be correct
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Post Post #26 (isolation #10) » Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:45 am

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if "town is 2/3rds way to its wincon" is too much, i guess i can try to find a way to nerf it, but like

idk it intuitively felt right to me but do i know anything about balance lol
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Post Post #29 (isolation #11) » Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:48 am

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well maybe scum should git gud
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Post Post #30 (isolation #12) » Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:50 am

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wait, game can't end without a winner if a scum yeet happens since

town gets 1 point for that, 4 scum left in the game

at least one faction has to get to 3 in that time to win, so that's fine

i am slightly worried about, if it's worth only 1 point, that scum just turbobusses the weakest buddy, then coasts the rest of the game, but
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Post Post #31 (isolation #13) » Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:51 am

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the turing test8x townies
5x goons

day 1 plays as normal, with the players voting someone to eliminate.
~ if the person voted out is a townie, nobody scores any points.
~ if the person voted out is mafia, the town scores 1 point.

the mafia does not have a factional kill. instead, each night, starting from n1, scum must choose two players to participate in the turing test the next day. the only requirement is that the two people participating are 1 townie and 1 mafia.

from day 2 and on, there is no votes to eliminate; instead, each day there is a turing test. the two players selected by the mafia are announced and removed from the game, but
not
flipped. the votes are locked between the two selected players, and the living players must vote for the person in the pair they believe to be mafia.
~ if a mafia member is voted out, town scores 1 point.
~ if a townie is voted out, mafia scores 1 point.

after one of the two has been hammered, the alignments of the selected players are revealed, and the game goes back to the night phase.

the first faction to reach 3 points wins.
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Post Post #35 (isolation #14) » Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:20 pm

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In post 32, Gamma Emerald wrote:This setup looks very cool, on paper scum would win by having 3 TRed scum go up against 3 less TRed row but in practice a moreflid strategy would be required
My one thought looking solely at the OP is that having someone show up in the test multiple times should be disallowed
the one in the op is in the garbage, look at 31
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