I feel more certain penguin is scum here. I don't think hutmeil is scum, but we get info either way.
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That is incorrect. I don't think hutmeil flips scum, but people voting there is useful to my understanding of the game.In post 1368, Aristeia wrote:I am reading your penguin progression and it doesn't make sense to me
you seem to suspect him for voting for hutmeil but you also seem to think hutmeil is fine to vote?
I don't think fire flips scum, and I don't think there is a ton of value in three competing wagons D1. That's the difference.YOUR AD HERE
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His resistance around voting despite claiming he loves wagons. General lack of scumhunting. Disappeared after mild pressure and seems to be relying on "penguin slacks D1" as an excuse.In post 1370, Aristeia wrote:ok so why are you scumreading penguin?
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What about it? I don't understand the question you're asking.In post 1372, Datisi wrote:
so what was this about then?In post 1084, VP Baltar wrote:
I can see momentum lazily shifting that way. I'm just calling it out before it takes off as a wagon of resignation.In post 1083, PenguinPower wrote:
mmm? it's one more than fire and one less than where mala was...In post 1080, VP Baltar wrote:The hutmeil wagon gives me majorly bad vibes as being too easy.
Your vote seems bad to me especially.YOUR AD HERE
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I think the confusion is in when I told ari it is "incorrect". What I mean there is that it is incorrect that it is as simple as the hutmeil vote. I think there are broader things about Penguins response to that pressure that I found scummier than just the vote alone.In post 1374, Datisi wrote:1368 said that you seem to scumread pengu for his vote on hutmeil
you deny it and list other reasons for scumreading him in 1371
but the thing i bolded makes it seem like you scumread him for that vote
idk if i'm just being dumb and missing something obvious
That being said, at the time of the vote it was a good enough reason to pressure given the hutmeil wagon was in fact gaining lazy steam and penguin put a naked vote there.
So incorrect was probably not a good word choice on my part, because there is some truth to it being where I started to not like penguins play, but I don't see my vote as being strictly about that vote alone. Ari seemed to be trying to point to a contradiction (voting hutmeil =bad, but flipping hutmeil = good), which I don't think is accurate to my viewpoint, or something I even necessarily see as a contradiction.YOUR AD HERE
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This is where you are getting into dumbshit territory. All you can do on a D1 is push what you think is the best elim, and most times that is wrong. Getting information from a misyeet is at least salvaging something from the likelihood we miselim on D1.In post 1375, Aristeia wrote:"That being said, vote for Penguin or hutmeil in your next post if you're not already doing so." in 1356?
I don't really see the point of elimming hutmeil who you think is town just to get "information" that's just ??? to me.
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He also hasn't posted since Thursday. So this is a level zero take.In post 1377, Aristeia wrote:In post 1302, catboi wrote:PenguinPower is V/LA on weekends.
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I'm not voting for hutmeil. Why are you acting like I'm endorsing his yeet as if I am?In post 1380, Aristeia wrote:Do you have an example of a completed game where you are "ok" with limming someone you think is town just for "information" ?YOUR AD HERE
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Here is pick your poison, which you were in. I would say I was pushing a moderate scum read (Gamma emerald) for information purposes, and the yeet went onto Darby. I didn't oppose that, and even found darby's play right before death surprisingly scummy.
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Mini 2195, I voted Italiano on a whim because the game was dragging and we needed a lim to move it forward with information. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85877&start=1625YOUR AD HERE
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Who do you think I'd prefer you to vote? This is a very surface level point you're trying to push.In post 1385, Aristeia wrote:In post 1382, VP Baltar wrote:
I'm not voting for hutmeil. Why are you acting like I'm endorsing his yeet as if I am?In post 1380, Aristeia wrote:Do you have an example of a completed game where you are "ok" with limming someone you think is town just for "information" ?In post 1356, VP Baltar wrote:Yeah, I think the Americans are less than tuned into mafia this weekend (myself included).
That being said, vote for Penguin or hutmeil in your next post if you're not already doing so.
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It's not incongruent at all. I opposed the mala-hut dueling wagons because I thought that was t-t. I don't think thats the case here, and you aren't that dumb.In post 1388, Aristeia wrote:well the point I am making is that your posting is incongruent. You say you are scumreading Peng for his hutmeil vote but you seem fine with hutmeil being voted out. That feels more like scum exploiting t-t than town with a scumread.
But hey, if we want to make it Penguin-Ari or Penguin-andante wagons, I'd have a real dilemma on my hand.YOUR AD HERE
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Feels like you're hard defending Penguin here.In post 1389, Aristeia wrote:also not mentioning the third wagon of fire feels like soft defending him without really naming himYOUR AD HERE
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I don't think you're making a good faith point here, so clearly you have some motivation that is not transparent.In post 1393, Aristeia wrote:do you actually believe that or do you just think it sounds good as a comeback?YOUR AD HERE
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Like, this is some wild shit to say and then question why I might think you're openly pushing against a penguin yeet here.In post 1381, Aristeia wrote:The weekend happens after Thursday,YOUR AD HERE
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Penguins vote on hutmeil was the third. This was the leading wagon.In post 1000, catboi wrote:Malakittens (4): Aristeia, Datisi, implosion, Andante
When asked for his reasoning why he voted hutmeil, he said he had none and that he just liked wagons.
Well, let me say this in simple terms: That makes no sense when there was a larger wagon available.
Its a made up reason. If penguin wants to come admit that, I'll take the honesty under consideration.YOUR AD HERE
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we can talk when you are back.In post 1405, PenguinPower wrote:Mala was at 3 when I voted hut. Ari had voted fire. I went from a 2 vote to create an equal counter wagon.
Anyway - I’ll be back in the morning to catch up on what I’ve missed.YOUR AD HERE
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Why would a VC change your position?In post 1415, Gamma Emerald wrote:
A VC was posted just before my vote changed, think that had anything to do with it?In post 1412, Datisi wrote:In post 1357, Gamma Emerald wrote:
No.In post 1356, VP Baltar wrote:Yeah, I think the Americans are less than tuned into mafia this weekend (myself included).
That being said, vote for Penguin or hutmeil in your next post if you're not already doing so.
?In post 1409, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: penguinpower
I’m not confident this flips scum but I think the wagon comp isn’t horribleYOUR AD HERE
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So you are town reading hut? What's your thinking there?In post 1447, Save The Dragons wrote:i want penguin to catch up, i might vote there instead
probably not voting for hutmeilYOUR AD HERE
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Because of Dragons, or....?In post 1456, Andante wrote:I kinda just stopped paying attention when Dragons showed upYOUR AD HERE
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Doing some reading of fire is my priority today. What I know is that my assumption that fire's scum game has improved significantly has proven true. The man posted 100+pages in a neighborhood with Andante and got town read.In post 1466, Datisi wrote:the people who have been in invictus for longer than i have, does that game impact your read on fire here?
He is obviously capable of talking mad bullshit now. I suspect we have all given him too easy of town reads here that require more critical analysis.YOUR AD HERE
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If I had a vote available, I'd be hammering right now after that pop in
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What is to like about it?
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I wouldn't take this as a reason to let anyone live. He promised responses (yesterday I think?), and delivered nothing.In post 1529, fireisredsir wrote:oh mods of the discord server is over now, i did see penguin town there kinda just not really care at all about people finding him as town when it was a very immediately pressing concern.
could just be a personality thing, ig? but it seemed like there at least he was still trying to solve despite thatYOUR AD HERE
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I doubt all three mafia are coordinating their votes on a moonshot wagon that is unlikely. There is some just bad town in this mix.In post 1541, hutmeil wrote:
Ah right sorry about that, I'm on my tab and it's acting up. In that case, Peng, ss and andante for now.In post 1540, Save The Dragons wrote:i didn't vote mala thoYOUR AD HERE
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ok, I ISO'd fire. What i find concerning is that he is among the first people to point out Penguin acting awkwardly, but then never votes there. Like, he does everything in his power to vote elsewhere, especially saying hutmeil is scummy and therefore needs to be voted instead of penguin.
I'd take a full reads list from fire right now.YOUR AD HERE
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Coming back to this with what I wanted to say since you didn't actually follow up: Why did you want to create an equal counter wagon instead of making a wagon on Mala (who you now think is scum I guess???) the lead wagon?In post 1405, PenguinPower wrote:Mala was at 3 when I voted hut. Ari had voted fire. I went from a 2 vote to create an equal counter wagon.
Anyway - I’ll be back in the morning to catch up on what I’ve missed.YOUR AD HERE
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You have no credibility. Start there.In post 1515, Andante wrote:why is mala so hard to lim here?YOUR AD HERE
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So wouldn't it make sense for you to be voting hut here?In post 1554, PenguinPower wrote:i like competing wagons for looking back on after a flip. seeing how they rise/fall, which one takes off, and how hard it is to get momentum on is good info.
I know you say you don't have strong reads, but you were decidedly leaning scum on that slot before you switched to mala...YOUR AD HERE
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In post 1087, PenguinPower wrote:
i don't have one. I like wagons.In post 1085, VP Baltar wrote:
What's your specific reason for liking the hutmeil wagon?In post 951, PenguinPower wrote:
mmm? if you recall, i like wagons for a specific reason that require fairly frequent votecounts. we're about to hit 1000 with 3....so i guess too fast?In post 938, implosion wrote:I'm curious if Penguin has thoughts on the pace of the game; I remember him generally being more involved/pushy and he's indicated a desire to have bigger wagons but he's not really making a sustained effort to fulfill that end.
Ugh, I hate that these answers don't line up, but there is just enough wiggle room they can if you squint.In post 1554, PenguinPower wrote:
i like competing wagons for looking back on after a flip. seeing how they rise/fall, which one takes off, and how hard it is to get momentum on is good info.In post 1549, VP Baltar wrote:
Coming back to this with what I wanted to say since you didn't actually follow up: Why did you want to create an equal counter wagon instead of making a wagon on Mala (who you now think is scum I guess???) the lead wagon?In post 1405, PenguinPower wrote:Mala was at 3 when I voted hut. Ari had voted fire. I went from a 2 vote to create an equal counter wagon.
Anyway - I’ll be back in the morning to catch up on what I’ve missed.
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i've already said i don't have any strong reads - but i find how hard mala is to make a sufficient wagon on vs. me or hut is telling. look back on that d2+.In post 598, PenguinPower wrote:no competing wagons based on the last votecount
now there is small competing wagonsYOUR AD HERE
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I do want. It doesn't need to be a huge lift. You can just open a new post and tell me what you FEELIn post 1563, fireisredsir wrote:i can do a readlist if you really want but zzzzYOUR AD HERE
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Your post is giving me life as I internally spiral with anxiety that what started as a half assed push from me is hopefully on actual scum here.In post 1566, Datisi wrote:
did you look at the LINKS i provided?In post 1564, VP Baltar wrote:Ugh, I hate that these answers don't line up, but there is just enough wiggle room they can if you squint.YOUR AD HERE
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Why is this taking so longggggIn post 1579, fireisredsir wrote:not really, and if i was i wouldn't say so
like im currently writing it im just being whinyYOUR AD HERE
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