Mini 2273: Science Diagrams That Look Like Shitposts 2 [END]

[Corwinoid]

Gibus was calling me "near-conf" town. That's a pretty strong crumb.

Even so, I legitimately didn't see you as the NK target anyway. I'm actually a little confused why both of them did.

[Corwinoid]

Which three?

[Corwinoid]

What are all the possible modifiers that interfere with checks

Any ascetic, blocker, commuter, redirector, or relocator (bus driver). Neither of the latter two in Normal games.

[Corwinoid]

Cres, Alex, Eira.
Preferably Eira

Scum me wouldn't target town!me or Crescent, regardless of her alignment. The discord is too useful. Which is why I didn't think me, her, or vivax were targets last night.

[Corwinoid]

Technically so is a Hider.

Commuter would have claimed earlier Today though, right?

[Corwinoid]

God that was a terrible launch

[Corwinoid]

one thing that worried me yesterday when walking was that scum! Elsa also wouldn't want a gibus launch, rather a misluanch D3, then maybe a misslaunch D4 and when gibus finally swings eazy scum victory.

Where have her votes been today?

Vivax, which looked like an easy mislaunch, and went to -1 before I cooled it off.
Not_Mafia, who town have wanted to self-destruct on all game.

She's the one pushing the mislaunch to have the gibus fight tomorrow.

[Corwinoid]

Same logic works for flipping Elsa first to sort gibus though too. There might, however, be another way... give me some time to work this out solidly.

[Corwinoid]

Re 2453: The problem there Cresc is that it's hard to read any interaction or lack thereof rom gera as AI because there's been so little of it lately.

> NM is a totally natural partner for Gibus here, so I wouldn't particularly call that "brave".

I don't understand how you get here, can you lay this one out for me?

[Corwinoid]

I need to go to bed tonight, I'll look at the VCA again tomorrow. The lack of interactions though isn't incredibly compelling to me. Now that I can talk about it... in the recently finished game me and BBT had a ton of interaction as the scum team (and it was the way he changed tone with me here that made me think it was a manip). I got a little handcuffed by being at critical points in both games at the same time.

A parting question though: Why didn't YOU hammer NM?

[Corwinoid]

Corwin seems to be a blanket townread by many at this point

Well, it sucks for you guys if I'm not, but I'm the only one trying to regain town cohesion and get people reactivated in this game at the moment also which really wouldn't play towards my win condition as scum.

One of my scum points on Elsa is despite her positioning herself as the peacemaker and town leader she's not really been doing either.

[Corwinoid]

Yeah, I had the same issue with the Vivax wagon. It was too convenient to get positioned there while I was trying to re-evaluate that slot in light of other things and it needed a cooler.

[Corwinoid]

NM coming off of it is not the kind of opportunistic non-play I see him making as scum in that situation.

[Corwinoid]

I genuinely don't understand that question. Right now I don't think it's Vivax or gibus.

I think gibus has played and positioned himself poorly, and I think Vivax has gone insane and didn't understand the way I was interacting with NM early was not a template for how to conduct the entire game. There's a time for joking and shitposting, and there's a time to not and I think he just lost that perspective and is shooting us in the foot now.

[Corwinoid]

Hence why I told him I need him to cool off and get his head back in the game today if he cares about winning it.

[Corwinoid]

Eira, if gibus flips green what's the play tomorrow?

[Corwinoid]

Doc can't self heal. Remember if gib flips doc we're in MyLo, and Elsa has claimed an town RB-enabler. There's no reason to NK her if they can just block her.

If we flip Elsa today and gibus is town then doc almost certainly the NK because he can't get blocked, and both slots get sorted.

We get more info from the Elsa flip, and avoid nasty wifom-stuff if we flip Elsa first.

[Corwinoid]

NM and Vivax are salient to the issues of which and when to flip Elsa/gibus. Gera gets a slide right now because he's unimportant --

if

gibus flips red I'll read that slot a lot harder as a possible pairing, but for today's issues it's less important than the others.

[Corwinoid]

Also, FWIW, gera's apathy post came off pretty town to me.

[Corwinoid]

We have very very different reads on this game.

[Corwinoid]

I mean, his play today and the last half of yesterday has been god awful, but I'm pretty sure it's just been god awful not AI-awful.

[Corwinoid]

Yeah, I think he's town, but I think he's off his rocker.

P-edit: Again, I think he's confused shitposting with playing without understanding why it works for NM and not the rest of us, and he's just throwing stuff out without any thought. I don't think he's specifically playing to lose, but I don't think he's trying to win as either alignment atm. We really need him to re-engage meaningfully.

[Corwinoid]

at the time before alex's post i thought mafia did not know there was informer,

Wait... what?

[Corwinoid]

I don't know what Corwin is doing besides implying I'm some kind of source code god when I can barely write a few lines in C.

I've spent the last day defending you and trying to get you back into the game. Some help with those would be fantastic.

My top scum team right now is Elsa/Crescent, and I need some help getting the gibus wagon halted before we mislaunch again.

If I'm right there's a town nexus that can be formed between you, me, nm, and gibus that can't lose, but I need town you in the game.

[Corwinoid]

I don't see scum!NM backing off your wagon today when I asked someone to, instead of just doing nothing until the launch happened.

[Corwinoid]

Crescent, please stop with the gender based attacks. It's not okay.

[Corwinoid]

And game successfully derailed again. GJ everyone.

[Corwinoid]

Crescent, go ahead and put a vote down so I can hammer and get this day over, mmk?

[Corwinoid]

At the very least, please stop wasting my time.

[Corwinoid]

VOTE: gibus

[Corwinoid]

VOTE: No kill

I think the scum team is pretty obvious at this point, but we don't need to do it wrong either.

@Elsa, you're claiming a blocked attempt on Eira?

[Corwinoid]

UNVOTE:
Sorry, I assumed that if gibus came back green then there was an obvious thing to do.
Is not voting better, I never know and always take advice from cleverer people than me.

We're in MyLo, not ELo; the difference is in even/odd number of players. 4v2 is essentially the same as 3v2 for majority.

The only case no-kill isn't right here is if you think the scum team has a hidden even night/x-shot multikill they haven't used yet.

[Corwinoid]

UNVOTE:
I'll at least give both Crescent and NM a chance to post before one of them ends the day

[Corwinoid]

Well, that's interesting.

Scum endgame DV would certainly make this look a lot more balanced.

Does anybody have any input on the NM kill? I'm not sure what to make of it.

[Corwinoid]

Okay so it can't be a pure endgame DV or we'd lose plurality today right? Even day DV to offset odd night vig in this setup, + RB?

[Corwinoid]

That doesn't make sense either though, both of you were on the BBT wagon and it filled.

[Corwinoid]

@Mod: Can you verify launching at 3 yesterday was not a mod error (should have been 4)?

[Corwinoid]

We've had to have strict majority every other launch.

[Corwinoid]

Oh, I misread what you said. I didn't know that

[Corwinoid]

That's a community specific thing. Why NM died.. Who knows, who cares.

I don't see there being anything of worth to continue discussing in this game. The game can't even move on until it votes off the virtually confirmed scum that was somehow allowed to live yesterday. I'd need a good reason to think there's anything left that merits attention or I'm just going to vote Elsa in my next post.

You n Corv both are back to looking like overthinky (Corv) or overly dramatic about gamestate (you).
Now to see if the rest of the town can come around to lunching mafs.

Nah, I just misunderstood the 50% rule on no launches.

Are you actually showing up for the game today?

[Corwinoid]

Not really. Elsa's the only acceptable voteoff. If people want to overthink that again that's on them.

What's your solve now, since we voted gibus off first and it gave us more info?

[Corwinoid]

That check out definitely doesn't feel town.

Also, checking in.

[Corwinoid]

So why then instead of helping me rally town D3 did you feed into everyone shitting it up? Why are you saying I've been up your ass; I've been calling you town all game, just hating your posting in it.

[Corwinoid]

I just have 0 faith in the remainder of this town (hi Corwin) to get it right.

Which would be a fantastic reason to set up this elo.

[Corwinoid]

Heh. Well... if scum magically happens to be you/elsa I'll be pissed that I was right D1.

[Corwinoid]

"You" being Vivax.

[Corwinoid]

I could vote gera for the gloominess. I'm not in the position to tell if he's lost motivation as town or mafia tho.
This game gives off corrupted vibes. But then at least we could exercise ourselves in the art of quality shitposting, which doesn't seem to be everyone's cup of tea.

I think he's dodging, but yes.

[Corwinoid]

I feel like I just slept for 80 hours, and I was hoping for a little more activity from gera.

[Corwinoid]

I am planning on voting elsa, but I still can't work out why not mafia got killed last night

What are your thoughts on it so far?

[Corwinoid]

Eh, fuck it, I'm ready for this game to just be over.

VOTE: Crescent

[Corwinoid]

I can't say I'm surprised.

[Corwinoid]

Don't be, is that game?

[Corwinoid]

Oh. I kinda assumed it would've been Vivax who voted Cres to end the game. Gera hammered their partner?

For the love of God please tell me the scum team was you and Gera and this game is over, even if it's a lie, so I can leave this twilight in peace

[Corwinoid]

I mean. If you made up with Corwin you could've won it easily Cres. Or just... I guess didn't just say "just do it" for day 4 and 5. Gera was ready to get rid of me and I elim you for a chance to win but day 4 was weird.

I literally asked her to explain her solve again and just got ignored... how the fuck am I supposed to town read that?

[Corwinoid]

It's unfortunate, I tried to get Viv back in the game D3 and Cresc's reaction was just like "Yeah no, I'm gonna shitpost all over this too now". Honestly felt like a loss at that point.

I am curious if there was any reasoning to the NM kill.

[Corwinoid]

You probably could have gone vivax and made the same play here. She did a whole lot to burn her town cred starting with 1520 or whatever it was dictating what town should do day 3 and resolving the night action for scum. It was an incredibly AT play she should have gotten launched for... and then adding fuel to the fire instead of bringing vivax back into the game day 3. I figured it was one of you two, but by the time we got here it was a coin flip for me.

[Corwinoid]

Her logic on launching gibus first was absolutely god awful also. If we'd flipped you D3 it was an easy win from there too.