ok in context I was only saying that because I was responding to her calling you a wolfIn post 2123, PenguinPower wrote:In post 2121, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:uh based on whatIn post 1774, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i think penguin is mafia
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Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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and like mafia are like masons to me so it means nothingShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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OH SNAP WE MIGHT GET TO KILL BRAD HOLY SHIT PULL OUT THE CAKE AND THE FIREWORKS LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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depends if you think her unvote makes sense and her never revoting him even as I built that wagon up makes senseShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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it's too late for me to do an actual reread of the hydra tonight though, I'll get to it tomorrow. you can look up what they said on taly/arete yourselfIn post 2130, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:OH SNAP WE MIGHT GET TO KILL BRAD HOLY SHIT PULL OUT THE CAKE AND THE FIREWORKS LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-
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i'm just pulling from iso so not really looking for context right nowIn post 2132, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:depends if you think her unvote makes sense and her never revoting him even as I built that wagon up makes sense-
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not to be too aggressive but if you still think that me & arete have any level of partner equity after yesterday, then you have no idea how to read spew. arete blatantly spewed me as town by treating me with kids gloves for the entire game because they were hunting for the mafia team and they clearly knew that i Wasn't Mafia. it would be incredibly stupid for our strategy as a wolfteam for me to pressure and go out of my way to "bury" arete on d1 only for arete to townread me for nebulous and flimsy reasons. it's also just obvious from the way that arete and i interacted that we aren't teamed-
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i should be spewed town by anyone even half paying attention to this game based on the fact that i buried arete on d1, based on the fact that arete spewed me as town from their treatment of me, and based on the fact that i'm obviously not mafia since i hardpushed on ydrasse/STD throughout d1/d2 but i dont have a ton of faith in the rest of this game to read the spew correctly-
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it wasn't even convoluted. i'm not stupid and i would understand as a wolf with arete facing a lot of pressure that refusing to vote for arete and wanting to resolve outside of them would make me look partnered w/them if u read the game in the most level 0 way possible. in a world where me/arete are W/W the smart thing to do is just bus & distance since at least one of us was clearly going over within the next dayphase or soIn post 2124, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i think the d1 spf back and forth with arete and spf unvoting once arete got votes felt like scum theatre and she was trying to find the most convoluted ass reason to not vote him yesterday.-
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anyway i didnt think about the game much overnight but pending re-evaluation, n_m is the player with the most obvious level of partner equity with arete, and arete made several posts yesterday that seemed overly aware/self-conscious f their positioning toward n_m and felt like they were trying to avoid spewing them. that said, i'll give everyone here a look before i conf bias myself into pushing him lol-
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i was quite literally burying arete and dunking on them in tandem with you throughout the last few pages of the EOD - it was obvious that i was advocating for them to die and it was obvious that the day was always going to end with them dying. why do u think i wouldnt just vote them for the extra bus cred as a partner? why is it even wolfy that i didn't bother to join the wagon that was clearly always going to go through anyway?In post 2132, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:depends if you think her unvote makes sense and her never revoting him even as I built that wagon up makes sense-
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i was talking about Day oneShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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yesterday was bus day for the wolf teamShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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i dont even remember u wagoning arete on d1 but it's possible u did and i just forgotIn post 2142, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i was talking about Day one-
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In post 2144, staypositivefriend wrote:In post 2142, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i was talking about Day one
here is a refresher for you:
you were the first vote on arete at 277
I voted 2nd at 279
AnR voted 3rd at 293
Arete enters thread at 340 and you two begin "fighting?"
at 386 you concede that arete can "win" whatever that means if they post again
at 391 you move your vote to Taly after Arete responds again.
I have no idea what convinced you during the tail end of this convo to back off - you'd have to describe your thought process for me.
394 Pengy votes Arete[Vote#3]
398 Medit wallpost - says she wants to vote Arete but wants to wait for A VC first
399 Catboi votes Medit cuz LOL
402 Medit votes Arete after wallpost [#4]
410 AnR votes Abom [4->3]
436 i guess this is interesting that AnR now has no take on Arete here
500 Abom votes Arete [3->4]
there's so many catboi posts trying to block this arete wagon im trying to hardshove thru he's like waving a fucking chainsaw around my god rofl i dunno i dont think catboi is that blatant and he probly could coach arete to make posts that aren't complete ass instead of doing this hard chainsaw routine.
560 AnR votes Medi[1->2]
600 4mask votes catboi [1]
607 Abom votes catboi [1->2] Arete[4->3]
619 Ydra votes Medi[2->3]
638 AnR votes Medi[Repeat Vote]
677 SPF votes Medi[3->4]
"i also dont really like that meditation is piggybacking off of my read on arete without presenting any thoughts about arete on his own and then accusing someone else of being "focused on defending arete" for calling out his read for being lazy - it feels disingenuous in a low-effort scum kind of way"
688 Medit claims at 4 <catboi, anr, ydra, spf>
717 AnR votes 4Mask (1)
718 Arete re-entry
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what is surprising to me is that I don't think you had a good reason to unvote and relieve pressure on Arete and you never seem to revisit them again, instead opting to make votes on Meditation & 4Maskwolf and being generally disengaged with wolf poppins.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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i would be fairly surprised if catboi was a wolf after he went out of his way to vote/lead on arete toward the end of yesterday - it would have been extremely easy for him to vote me instead and go to the endgame with arete, and i don't really think he was in a position where bussing was strategically necessary or even beneficial for him to do. the way that arete panic-claimed mafia to get STD to out also felt like something they did as a result of being wagoned by catboi and not like something that was planned in the long-term, which decreases the odds that catboi/arete were doing a bussing strategy
think that penguin and pooky also both spewed themselves as not partners with arete as well and while i dont think a&r actually did, i still feel that they are almost certainly out of wolfrange and that if they are wolfing this game both of them are playing significantly out of their typical wolf meta
when i pair that with arete basically refusing to take a stance on not mafia for multiple dayphases and then awkwardly trying to push penguin over nm when it looked like we might resolve between the two of them, and not_mafia blatantly siding with arete for pretty much the entire game, the answer that requires the least amount of assumptions and the answer that seems the most obviously true is that nm is just wolfing
dont really know who the mafia would be in that world but i also dont really care rn because if we manage to kill the final wolf today then we're more or less in autowin
again i will go through all of these reads today to make sure they check out and to make sure that my memory isnt failing me, but that's basically where my head is at rn-
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that refresher is actually helpful, thank you. to my memory, i had felt that my initial exchange with arete had basically run its course and i was gradually ceding more and more ground to them throughout our conversation (like in #385 where i acknowledged that i could understand how it would be possible for them to make the read i was pressuring them on from a town arete perspective)In post 2147, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:what is surprising to me is that I don't think you had a good reason to unvote and relieve pressure on Arete and you never seem to revisit them again, instead opting to make votes on Meditation & 4Maskwolf and being generally disengaged with wolf poppins.
part of the reason i was pressuring arete so much in the first place is because i thought the way they jumped to assuming me/penguin were partners based on how i was pressuring them felt fake/illogical in a way that arete usually isnt, so when arete acknowledged shortly after that me/penguin might not actually be partnered anymore and they also started coming to a world where i was town, i thought it was possible that we were both town that just had a miscommunication with each other. this also is a big part of what led to me townreading them for a while after until i concluded they were proly a wolf sometime around yesterday
it definitely didnt help that i was (admittely) demotivated for a good dayphase or two and to be honest, didnt really care about my reads or solving the game that much. that said, in a world where i committed to doing that type of elaborate wolf theater with arete, i doubt my progression on them would ever be so sloppy, and i also doubt i would just abruptly stop talking about them and then suddenly start townreading them a bit later like the way that i did. that would be a really really sloppy way to follow up with what would have needed to be some very coordinated wolf theater lol
i might be misremembering some finer points because it was a while ago but that was more or less my thought process wrt to arete in the first few dayphases
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