Open 856: Deputy cultists (Game over)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your vote don't mean shit motherfucker

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That actually sounds really aggressive when that absolutely wasn't my intention.

My bad.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nathan?

Enchant?

RH9?

Can we do this?

[furtiveglance]

Your vote don't mean shit motherfucker

Nice attempt at baiting me into voting you.

[RH9]

Nathan?

Enchant?

RH9?

Can we do this?

Just to be safe, I want to wait for Jacket's reaction.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Vote count 5.2

Jacket (1)

: furtiveglance

BlueBloodedToffee (1)

: Bellaphant

Bellaphant (1)

: BlueBloodedToffee

Not voting (4)

: Nathann, Jacket, Enchant, RH9

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate

Day ends in: (expired on 2022-07-18 10:05:00)

[RH9]

By the way, would you want a compromise, furtive, and vote one of Bella and BBT?

[furtiveglance]

There's no compromise to be had. Voting Prime means we lose. You'd have to convince me that I'd misplaced Cult Leader among them.

[RH9]

There's no compromise to be had. Voting Prime means we lose. You'd have to convince me that I'd misplaced Cult Leader among them.

That's true.
But I think that your earlier point is also right, in that most people wouldn't want Jacket with you.

[Jacket]

Nathan?

Enchant?

RH9?

Can we do this?

Just to be safe, I want to wait for Jacket's reaction.

furtive is confirmed cult. I need to read him to figure out who the leader is.

[RH9]

Nathan?

Enchant?

RH9?

Can we do this?

Just to be safe, I want to wait for Jacket's reaction.

furtive is confirmed cult. I need to read him to figure out who the leader is.

I see.
To help you, what do you think of Bella and BBT? From your POV, one of them has to be Town if furtive is Cult.

[Enchant]

So CL is voted.

Just need to think which one for exact...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's Bella

[Nathann]

I'm guessing the fact there's been no quickhammer by now means there's no Town-on-Prime or Town-on-Town votes.

I'm really sorry for being MIA, life is being really annoying right now. But since all 4 Townies have to vote correctly Today, I'm just going to be voting along RH9 and Enchant anyway. And I'm not sure if I'd be of any help solving this.

Still have a vague gut feeling Jacket might be the Cult Leader, but I'd have to revisit BBT and Bella's posting to see if that universe tracks. BBT was arguing in favour of Jacket being Town after the claim...

How much push was there from Bella/BBT/furtive, that we know have at least 2/3 Cult members, for resolving the Vengeful claims? Especially in the early times after the claims. Killing either Prime Cultists or Vengefuls is overall beneficial to the Cult. If they were not trying to get the claimed Vengefuls killed, that could point towards Jacket being a gambiting Cult Leader.

I'll try to sanity check this universe tomorrow.

[RH9]

Nathann, if it helps you, BBT was interested for a while in limming between you or Jacket as per 284. In 178, furtive stated that Vengefuls claiming wasn't the best play and provided two reasons against it. Bella, on the other hand, didn't seem to care much about the Vengefuls claiming or getting voted.

[Bellaphant]

You and Nathann were obv town though.

[furtiveglance]

Nathann, if it helps you, BBT was interested for a while in limming between you or Jacket as per 284. In 178, furtive stated that Vengefuls claiming wasn't the best play and provided two reasons against it. Bella, on the other hand, didn't seem to care much about the Vengefuls claiming or getting voted.

178 was a lifetime ago. But I look back and I was right. Getting venge claims derailed the game, Cult Leader hid in there and was never voted. I think we probably lose here because the people with claims have no margin for error. Anyway, if we ever do this setup again, no claiming. If you get voted as Vengeful, just take a shot at the CL. It's better that way. The role is meant to be used.

[RH9]

Nathann, if it helps you, BBT was interested for a while in limming between you or Jacket as per 284. In 178, furtive stated that Vengefuls claiming wasn't the best play and provided two reasons against it. Bella, on the other hand, didn't seem to care much about the Vengefuls claiming or getting voted.

178 was a lifetime ago. But I look back and I was right. Getting venge claims derailed the game, Cult Leader hid in there and was never voted. I think we probably lose here because the people with claims have no margin for error. Anyway, if we ever do this setup again, no claiming. If you get voted as Vengeful, just take a shot at the CL. It's better that way. The role is meant to be used.

I see your point.
Though, I guess that now Jacket gets to be viewed as Prime and if he's CL, that's good on him.

[Nathann]

Spoiler:

6 pages of set up talk made that an incredibly difficult read.

VOTE: Jacket

UNVOTE:

Alright, so we got the Governor claim and two vengefuls.

Narrows the game down a bit providing no CCs. Will give this game some proper time once I finish work today

I'll go between the vengefuls today I think.

Nathan or Jacket. Not fussed which

For anyone wondering;

Good catch.
Do you think that BBT should be Venged?

Could you remind me when to watch out for Vengeful claims?

This *could* be scum with great foresight but I just don't see it.

RH9 is looking for advice from someone they believe is town on how to play his role.

If we agree that Scum!Jacket isn't first to claim, then that leaves Nathan.

I'm in line with Korina's thinking on elimming a Cultist.

This is a weird progression from BBT.

He had his spat with Jacket early on in the game. The two of them went back and forth, without anyone else commenting much on the spat. Then Jacket and RH9 claim, he unvotes them. I claim, and he wants to eliminate within the Vengeful claims.

Here's what's interesting, though. In 284, he says he's not fussed which one of me and Jacket go. But in 294, and some future posts like 326, he's defending Jacket due to him claiming Vengeful first.

My question is, if he thinks Jacket is likely to be Town for claiming first, why doesn't he immediately Townread him for it in 284?

[Nathann]

I might be talking myself into Jacket being the Cult Leader and I don't know how I feel about it.

[Nathann]

Bella can be Townie for not wanting to go within the CC's.

Heh.

[Nathann]

VOTE: Jacket

This was Townie... But BBT got talked out of it immediately. All Jacket had to say was "I don't claim Venge as Cult" and there's an unvote. He even thinks it's likely there's a Leader fakeclaiming Vengeful, but nah.

Bella's 516 is weird to make if Jacket is Cult Leader, though. It seems that all of furtive/Bella/BBT are either voting there or testing the waters. Which would make Jacket!Leader theory wrong, right...?

[Nathann]

And there was a wagon on Bella around EoD1, by Beat, Enchant, Korina, Cat. All confirmed Townies. If Bella were a Prime cultist, why is there no Cultists jumping onto the wagon? BBT was there. furtive was there.

[Nathann]

If Bella is Cult Leader, then the Prime Cultists necessarily have to be Jacket and furtive. (Can't be Jacket and BBT because Cult would've piled onto Jacket by now.) Which I guess makes some sense? I'm gonna revisit the wagon where Jacket Scumclaimed.

[Nathann]

Voting me is dumb. I wouldn't be claiming vengeful as cult, period.

VOTE: Bella

Might as well go back to this, I think the diversion away from her at the end of the day is pretty telling.

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