Open 856: Deputy cultists (Game over)

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Stop talking in your PT you little pair of cuties.

Come fight me.

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Point?

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Oh, I'm sorry.

You're talking about my frustration with the game. Not Furtive's.

Umm, how does Jacket relate to any of that frustration?

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If you're not cult, I think BBT pairs with Jacket, so too does Bellaphant. They're the ones I remember insisting a venge claim must be prime and not get voted.

More shade from Furtive on Bella but, unsurprisingly, he still won't vote her.

Bella has been extremely passive in allowing Furtive to scum read her all game and for him to do nothing about it as well. Like, she hasn't pushed him on the read once.

People are thinking about this game in the wrong way. CL is'n't necessarily someone widely townread, just someone who will never get voted because cultists refuse to vote for them.

Do you think Bella is part of the cult?

Yes, they go with Jacket and Korina. I don't think they go with BBT though.

More shade on Bella.

I think it's 2 of Bellaphant/BBT/Korina.

More shade on Bella.

The team is BBT/Jacket/Korina, with Jacket as Cult Leader.

Wait, what? Where did Bella go?

With Enchant having the sole vote of the day Furtive simply couldn't risk having Bella in his pool. I would love an explanation for the sudden exclusion of Bella in his scum team.

I need to re read a few people in iso. Beat/jacket made sense.

Jacket/furtive/??

At this point of the game it should have been obvious to Bella that the team was Jacket/Furtive/BBT but because she isn't actually trying to solve she doesn't realise. It's only when I post my solve that it dawns on her...

I mean, those are my options with you swapped for me.

Enchant is Governor.

Jacket/Nathann/RH9 claimed Vengeful.

Me/BBT/Bella claimed VT.

This means BBT/Bella are confirmed Cult. I need to re-evaluate things.

Why is Bella being Cult such a shock to Furtive here? He has literally been scum reading Bella all game long and he STILL wants to push Jacket over her. No reevaluation happened at all.

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I'm ready to vote Bella.

Will give RH9, Nathan and Enchant a chance to read.

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Nathan, you understand that FMPOV it absolutely has to be Bella/Furtive/Jacket, right?

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Enchant is Governor.

You and RH9 are Vengeful.

That leaves Bella/Furtive/Jacket

It's that simple

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Your selective response says everything I need it to my friend.

You have literally ignored everything other than something you felt you could respond to in a legitimate way.

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Nope.

You have shaded one Cult (CL) all game without pushing them (Bella)

You have shaded another Cult (Prime) all game and have pushed and pushed and pushed on them.

There is a huge difference in the way you treat the two slots.

Can you talk about how Bella magically dropped from your scum team when Enchant had the deciding vote?

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Between 818 and 949 to be exact

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But I was in both your scum teams, silly.

Why did Bella get removed from it?

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Umm, Furtive. You know myself and Bella are Cult, right? Why are you so concerned about my push on her?

Like, why does it bother you in anyway whatsoever? You haven't tried to understand my push, you haven't even considered Bella as CL from today. You have just started defending her. Why?

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You think Jacket is CL... Why on earth do you care about my push on Bella?

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Oh, I am?

Why is it you haven't even considered CL Bella? Despite sussing her all game long?

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Why did Bella get removed from your scum team on the day Enchant had the deciding vote?

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Who was protecting Jacket?

I mean, outside of D1 Bella wasn't ran up at all. So, I'd say she was pretty well protected, no?

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Noticeably, when Bella hit 4 votes and was tied with Cat on D1 the people voting her were; Cat, Korina, Beat and Enchant.

Despite sussing Bella, Furtive was nowhere to be seen... Except for the counter wagon to Bella! He was voting Cat, forming a CW to a slot he had been sussing... Make sense?

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Outside of vengeful claims I think Korina/Beat look Prime and Bella/Cat/Titus for Leader.

That Bellaphant E-2 from Korina stands out to me as a culty move. I get the feeling Bella isn't CL based on the way some culty people are happy with this vote. I'm now convinced RH9 is a real vengeful, and agree that Cat.Jpeg is a better elimination.

UNVOTE: Nathann

VOTE: Cat.Jpeg

Let's do this!

This is super fishy. The big change in stance on Bella as her wagon is forming.

Bella is CL

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I'm probably voting Bella very soon.

Town, please chip in your thoughts

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VOTE: Bella

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UNVOTE:

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Other than he has to be, my bullet pointed case is:
His frustration, as outlined above.
He never really raised his head above the parapet to get jacket Elimed, which he needed to do to win, so spent a lot of the game loudly telling people he was lost
Early game 100% supported that jacket's claim was legit
Pushed a bit on me and when I replied with a meta answer, let it be
Led all the town Lims
The 'set up '/self aware posts

I don't think he's prime becaus I think he would've played more recklessly. His whole approach to the game makes more sense if you read it through 'if bbt dies he loses'

Frustration is NAI
Elimming Jacket is +EV for me as Cult Leader no? So why would I not push to elim him so we can recruit? (Like Furtive did)
How is supporting Jacket's claim scummy again? I mean, CL!BBT gets to recruit if he elims Jacket, so you're making no sense?
Again, how is this AI regarding pushing on you and then backing off?
Led all the town lims - sure, I take a lot of the blame for this.
Being self-aware isn't scummy either.

Bella has listed a lot of things I have DONE this game without outright stating WHY they make me scum.

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You're right Enchant, I'm a little worried that Bella chose me to push today and not Furtive (making me have a nagging feeling that Furtive could be CL)/

But everything points to Bella so...

VOTE: Bella

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I also feel like Bella is enticing me to vote for her knowing I would do so if we clash

Just last second paranoia really

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We'll know soon enough if the votes get piled on Bella...

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If nobody votes Bella (Furtive/Jacket) then we know she is CL.

If Bella self votes, Furtive votes her and Jacket votes her we lose because she must be Prime.

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We just got to wait now

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So... What we waiting for?

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Your vote don't mean shit motherfucker

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That actually sounds really aggressive when that absolutely wasn't my intention.

My bad.

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Nathan?

Enchant?

RH9?

Can we do this?

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It's Bella

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I have laid out clearly why it is Bella.

What is going on?

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Mafia is hard.

BBT would Fultive be CL on your opinion?

I don't think so, I seem to remember Jacket pushing him? In order it's Bella, Furtive and then Jacket as most to least likely.

I'm pretty much certain it's Bella now though. It has to be

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Here's a thought: What if CL decided to claim vengeful.

This is partly because I'm not over my RH9 sus.

This confirms to me that Furtive or Bella are CL. I think it's likely to be Bella.

Reading through ISOs now.

Outside of vengeful claims I think Korina/Beat look Prime and Bella/Cat/Titus for Leader.

That Bellaphant E-2 from Korina stands out to me as a culty move. I get the feeling Bella isn't CL based on the way some culty people are happy with this vote.

Look how quickly Furtive managed to remove Bella from his CL pool here.

I could go for Bella or cat, I don't necessarily want to vote Titus because she doesn't seem like she's even trying to look town. I'd also vote furtive, his posts have really taken a nosedive for me.

ISO Furtive, Jacket and Bella together. Furtive and Jacket are consistently throwing shade at each other but neither of them show any *real* interest in pushing Bella despite mentioning her name a couple of times as an option.

It's Bella.

Enchant is Governor.

Jacket/Nathann/RH9 claimed Vengeful.

Me/BBT/Bella claimed VT.

This means BBT/Bella are confirmed Cult. I need to re-evaluate things.

Nice reevaluation.

If you're not cult, I think BBT pairs with Jacket, so too does Bellaphant. They're the ones I remember insisting a venge claim must be prime and not get voted.

More shade from Furtive on Bella but, unsurprisingly, he still won't vote her.

Bella has been extremely passive in allowing Furtive to scum read her all game and for him to do nothing about it as well. Like, she hasn't pushed him on the read once.

People are thinking about this game in the wrong way. CL is'n't necessarily someone widely townread, just someone who will never get voted because cultists refuse to vote for them.

Do you think Bella is part of the cult?

Yes, they go with Jacket and Korina. I don't think they go with BBT though.

More shade on Bella.

I think it's 2 of Bellaphant/BBT/Korina.

More shade on Bella.

The team is BBT/Jacket/Korina, with Jacket as Cult Leader.

Wait, what? Where did Bella go?

With Enchant having the sole vote of the day Furtive simply couldn't risk having Bella in his pool. I would love an explanation for the sudden exclusion of Bella in his scum team.

I need to re read a few people in iso. Beat/jacket made sense.

Jacket/furtive/??

At this point of the game it should have been obvious to Bella that the team was Jacket/Furtive/BBT but because she isn't actually trying to solve she doesn't realise. It's only when I post my solve that it dawns on her...

I mean, those are my options with you swapped for me.

Enchant is Governor.

Jacket/Nathann/RH9 claimed Vengeful.

Me/BBT/Bella claimed VT.

This means BBT/Bella are confirmed Cult. I need to re-evaluate things.

Why is Bella being Cult such a shock to Furtive here? He has literally been scum reading Bella all game long and he STILL wants to push Jacket over her. No reevaluation happened at all.

Nope.

You have shaded one Cult (CL) all game without pushing them (Bella)

You have shaded another Cult (Prime) all game and have pushed and pushed and pushed on them.

There is a huge difference in the way you treat the two slots.

Can you talk about how Bella magically dropped from your scum team when Enchant had the deciding vote?

But I was in both your scum teams, silly.

Why did Bella get removed from it?

Umm, Furtive. You know myself and Bella are Cult, right? Why are you so concerned about my push on her?

Like, why does it bother you in anyway whatsoever? You haven't tried to understand my push, you haven't even considered Bella as CL from today. You have just started defending her. Why?

Oh, I am?

Why is it you haven't even considered CL Bella? Despite sussing her all game long?

Why did Bella get removed from your scum team on the day Enchant had the deciding vote?

Noticeably, when Bella hit 4 votes and was tied with Cat on D1 the people voting her were; Cat, Korina, Beat and Enchant.

Despite sussing Bella, Furtive was nowhere to be seen... Except for the counter wagon to Bella! He was voting Cat, forming a CW to a slot he had been sussing... Make sense?

Outside of vengeful claims I think Korina/Beat look Prime and Bella/Cat/Titus for Leader.

That Bellaphant E-2 from Korina stands out to me as a culty move. I get the feeling Bella isn't CL based on the way some culty people are happy with this vote. I'm now convinced RH9 is a real vengeful, and agree that Cat.Jpeg is a better elimination.

UNVOTE: Nathann

VOTE: Cat.Jpeg

Let's do this!

This is super fishy. The big change in stance on Bella as her wagon is forming.

Bella is CL

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For Nathan

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RH9, if Bella was Prime, we would have lost.

She isn't prime. If she was prime, my vote, plus Bella self-vote plus two two other Cult votes mean we lose.

She cannot be Prime.

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Bella, I refuted your entire case

If you could explain WHY the things you said make me scum, instead of just a narrative of what I did, I'm sure everyone would appreciate that.

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Yeah.

Her point is that she can't case scum!BBT so she'll just say he played well instead

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Furtive is attempting a last ditch effort. Which was terrible because it wasn't even hammer haha.

Enchant, why unvote?

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Furtive disappearing straight after is also obvious.

So. Yeah. Can we please do this?

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For that reason?

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It literally got you to unvote.

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They both didn't vote.

Just one.

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Like, if Bella is Prime, why was Furtive so against my Bella push?

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It was completely safe to vote Jacket at that time. Because the narrative had been bought and sold that Leader would never claim Vengeful. You've ruled me out as Cult Leader. If I was a Jester role, I would have got voted day 1 or 2, I'm great at getting voted. You must know I'm town, and Jacket is CL.

That vote also tells you that this post is a lie and you can be almost CERTAIN that Jacket is not CL

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You know now that it's Furtive or Bella.

You also know that CL has DEFINITELY been voted because no hammer and Furtive hasn't been voted. So that leaves Bella.

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Just look at the complete lack of effort from any of Furtive, Jacket and Bella as well.

Come on guys. Let's get this over with

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Of course it is.

Occam's Razor says it's Bella. Come. On.

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Like you know Furtive is scum and he has been pushing Jacket all game long.

I don't understand why this game isn't over?

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I did?

I also asked you to case me but you couldn't.

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Rh9, it's hard because I think bbt did really well - if he didn't have to be scum I'd be struggling to vote him, but knowing what I know some of his actions look very different, if that makes sense?

In addition to this, scum!Furtive played really well as well, right Bella? You didn't suspect him for pretty much all of the game either.

He was shading you all game as well and you never questioned it at all. He also never pushed it so much as to vote you or actively try to get other people to vote you.

I wonder why?

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I think it's 2 of Bellaphant/BBT/Korina.

The team is BBT/Jacket/Korina, with Jacket as Cult Leader.

Like, you KNOW Furtive is scum now.

And he went from the first lim pool to the second with no explanation at all when it came to Enchant making the deciding vote.

I feel like this is all blatantly obvious so I don't know what more I can do

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Outside of vengeful claims I think Korina/Beat look Prime and Bella/Cat/Titus for Leader.

That Bellaphant E-2 from Korina stands out to me as a culty move. I get the feeling Bella isn't CL based on the way some culty people are happy with this vote. I'm now convinced RH9 is a real vengeful, and agree that Cat.Jpeg is a better elimination.

UNVOTE: Nathann
You KNOW Furtive is scum now.

Why doesn't he elim Town!Bella or even Prime!Bella?
VOTE: Cat.Jpeg

Let's do this!

This is super fishy. The big change in stance on Bella as her wagon is forming.

Bella is CL

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I don't know where the text went.

For the above, you know Furtive is scum. Why doesn't he elim Town!Bella or Prime!Bella here?

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Noticeably, when Bella hit 4 votes and was tied with Cat on D1 the people voting her were; Cat, Korina, Beat and Enchant.

Despite sussing Bella, Furtive was nowhere to be seen... Except for the counter wagon to Bella! He was voting Cat, forming a CW to a slot he had been sussing... Make sense?

Again, read this again now that you KNOW Furtive is scum.

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If you're struggling, you could always case me?

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I mean, 1212 right above is directed at you. You could respond to that?

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Furtive shaded you all game.

Why did you allow this? Why didn't you call him out on it or push back on him?

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Bellaphant voting for Cat is an interesting one, no one else has joined. Bellaphant has just made some bland statements so far

Outside of vengeful claims I think Korina/Beat look Prime and Bella/Cat/Titus for Leader.

Bellaphant and Nathann are also looking opportunistic. RH9 just looks really agreeable, and I'm sure he's town.

So who are the cultists then

If you're not cult, I think BBT pairs with Jacket, so too does Bellaphant.

People are thinking about this game in the wrong way. CL is'n't necessarily someone widely townread, just someone who will never get voted because cultists refuse to vote for them.

Do you think Bella is part of the cult?

Yes, they go with Jacket and Korina. I don't think they go with BBT though.

I think it's 2 of Bellaphant/BBT/Korina.

All of the above is Furtive shading you Bella, did you respond to any of it, even once? Why didn't you call him out and push back?

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Does anyone have any experience with furtives? I go from thinking they are town to scum about every three posts they make.

@furtive, where's your head at? What do you think about beat/me/rh9?

It may be a playstyle thing? I feel I've also tried to start convos with furtive and not had much input from them/impetus towards me.

Bbt jacket doesn't make much sense, no. I also think jacket/beat does make sense, and bbt/beat is nonsense.

Id like to hear from furtive.

The only thing that sticks out to me about furtives case is the lack of other votes. If he was buddy, surely it would be much easier to elim him? If it is jacket/beat, then jacket could actually be leader.

These posts show Bella's apparent complete lack of awareness that Furtive is shading her. She just keeps asking him random questions for input. Why doesn't she challenge Furtive's consistent shading of her?

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I was meant to comment on the last post.

That being a subtle attempt from Bella to sway the voting towards Jacket as if the Furtive push on Jacket had some weight because nobody was joining it.

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Why am I having to work so hard?

Furtive has literally admitted to being scum and has pushed Jacket all game long. So you can literally rule both of them out.

It's between myself and Bella and it's not even close who is the CL.

Please. End this game.

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I'm here, too.

Let's hash this out please and end this.

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Or not.

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Only 1 day 5 hours left anyway.

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Bella seems too straight forward.

I get it. But it's also just right.

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It only seems straight forward now, too.

After D1, she pretty much coasted the entire game unscathed.

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Do it then

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You think it's a good point that I haven't cased the CL directly but have indirectly cased the CL by showing how her scum buddies have interacted with her?

Has Bella even managed to do that on me? Bella is cased indirectly through the actions of her scum buddies.

I welcome her to try and do the exact same thing to me.

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I forgot Furtive took his vote off Bella.

So we still need Nathan AND RH9 to vote.

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UNVOTE:

I'm probably going to have to read this game properly.

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VOTE: Bella

Wrong game.

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She's had long enough...

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Vote?

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Let's go Nathan...

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Let's goooooo.

Mod, let's do it

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<3

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Sooo... What's everyone up to on this beautiful Monday morning?

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I believe so!

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Thanks for modding Goldfish, glad we got there in the end!

The last day was a little frustrating, not gonna lie but we got there in the end so that's all that matters.

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Agreed, this was a thoroughly boring game and I'm surprised I managed to muster up any sort of effort in the end game.

Mass claiming definitely killed the game, even though it's optimal.