?In post 122, Loftwing wrote:It was a way to extort a read out of CW, which reflects bad on anyone not wishing to do the same on someone else.
In post 155, Loftwing wrote:Were you making a push on BBT to get a read on them?In post 146, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:This assumes I'm not making a push to get a better read on BBT.In post 122, Loftwing wrote:It was a way to extort a read out of CW, which reflects bad on anyone not wishing to do the same on someone else.
quick hop onto kenny. would scum be pointing attention their partner's lack of substance?In post 168, Loftwing wrote:Now that you mention it, kenny hasn't said anything of substance despite saying many things.
VOTE: kennyk
Quick unhop. Might be off partner, might be to show hey loft is actively forming reads, and might be to later set up kenny.In post 198, Loftwing wrote:UNVOTE: Kennyk
I like their recent posting, it feels a lot better than before.
This defense of Lowell... might be Loft setting themselves up as town, if Lowell wagon gets a flip can say "Hey look they were town" while CW, as the main to push later on Lowell, does creates distance between scum partners.In post 276, Loftwing wrote:Why are people voting Lowell? I don't see them being scum here. They haven't left much to be desired.
I think this is the other interaction besides Loftwing asking cw why they're town? This can be Loft asking town CW to confirm Loft further, or can be scum tactic to create distance while still having the facade of suspecting one another.In post 538, Loftwing wrote:Do you think this does not equally apply to me? If not, why not?In post 510, Confidently Wrong wrote:A classic tactic for less experienced mafia is to try to mimic towniness by trying to loudly proclaim how unsure they are of people's alignments to LAMIST their way into seeming uninformed
Ok, so Loft comes back, CW has launched Eira wagon with flying colors. Loft says yeah imma vote Eira but let me get some reasons first, suggesting loft knew in scum chat that eira was the target.In post 565, Loftwing wrote:Before I jump ships again, this time from Mala to Eiralox, let me backread them.
here is the first mention of CW/Kenny in relation to my reads. Basically, I hate CW, like kenny, so why both null(both were null to me at the time iirc, with cw a bit more likely? Felt green on kenny for a bit early D1.In post 603, Loftwing wrote:My reasoning for voting Eira is that they see CW, someone who they have fought and who they have said they think worsely of, and Kenny, who they have stated a greenlighting towards, are both equal in terms of scum equity, as that is what null means.In post 588, FancyPants wrote:Can I specifically get clarity from Kenny and Loftwing, exactly what they think of Eira and why, I know Loftwing gave reasoning when he voted, but can you clarify why her behaviour is scummy in your eyes.
Please don't say you have no opinion.
@Loftwing, nice Hamilton reference.
In other words, despite saying that they like Kenny and hate CW, they still say that they are equal and are both null.
Anyway, this attack on me can very much be farmed as a soft defense of CW, or kenny maybe but i'm starting to move away from that.
So yeah I'm feeling it more here. Very close attention is paid to my reads of CW, what little i've said about kenny at this pouint is also taken very seriously. My other null reads and scumleans and whatever don't seem to be taken into account here, the cw/kenny focus is key.In post 610, Loftwing wrote:What I am saying is this:In post 607, Eiralox wrote:Whoooopy ride man wtf is going on here. Ive felt better about kenny. Cw I wanted to expand. Theyve been one sentencing this game. Loftwing is my prob vote target atm. Ill go through what they did then come back with conclusion.
Kenny is good to you. They are what you have considered to be greenlit.
CW is bad to you. They are what you have considered to be "worse and worse".
They are both null to you.
So, one would conclude that Kenny =/= CW for the first and second statements, but then would conclude that Kenny = CW at the third, which is a contradiction.
You both imply they are different yet state they are the same. Which is it, my good, honorable, and reasonable man?
Again, third time here. Loftwing seems bothered that I place Kenny above CW, maybe scum want an easy Kenny elim later on?In post 682, Loftwing wrote:They aren't inherently scummy, even holding a royal estate of all 12 at once (of which I am now slightly kess sure of), but what troubles me is that they both equare Kenny and CW this way as null, yet also divide them in twain with Kenny being better than CW.In post 680, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why are null reads scummy?
They are both different, and yet also the same.
In post 764, Loftwing wrote:Kenny clarified what his earlier post actually meant, becsuse we the people misinterpreted it. In light of his clarification, the post made more sense, so my objection was addressed.In post 763, Irrelephant11 wrote:Why did Kenny saying “actually I wasn’t trying to offer you any reads in that early game longpost” satisfy you that he is town? The fact remained that he had written a bunch of words without advancing the game at all
Why does Eiralox’s confusing use of the word “null” still make him the scummiest player in your eyes? It seems like you’re choosing to be obtuse there as an excuse to keep a scumread, he’s obviously got reads and just doesn’t like to call them reads for some weird reason
Eiralox does have players outside of his nullbin, or at least I assume that's what they meant. So why not then seperate either kenny or cw from the nullbin then, is my current objection.
And here for the final time mention of cw/kenny in relation to Loft's push on me. Here is a more hard defense of kenny and this can sway me to kenny slot being scum. taken into the whole though, no not yet, my flip order is still cw>kenny slot(sorry i keep forgetting the name with a C ill remem it)
So here we go. After all of that, CW is second from top and Kenny is third from bottom. At this point what would loft do? Would loft put a partner at the top or at the bottom? And here, throughout this thread, Loftwing has said how good they feel about kenny, how kenny has changed their tune and is now better, but here kenny is still scum.In post 811, Loftwing wrote:In post 808, Shoshin wrote:What're your reads, Loft?Town
Fredrick A Campbell
Confidently Wrong
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Cat Scratch Fever
BlueBloodedToffee
Lowell
Irrelephant11
MalcolmTucker
Shoshin
Malakittens
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kennyk
FancyPants
Eiralox
Scum
CW, meanwhile, has been one question from Loftwing, and one post(the one BBT mentioned) where Loft really seems to dig into CW, but still offers no hard reason for it.
