Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

[Alianna]

1.05

Votecount 1.05

Cat Scratch Fever (3): Malakittens, furtiveglance, Lucian
Infinity 324 (2): froggodoggo, Cat Scratch Fever
Malakittens (2): Gamma Emerald, Enchant
Lucian (2): Klick, BlueBloodedToffee
froggodoggo (1): Aisa
Klick (1): Infinity 324

Not Voting (2): Dunnstral, Hiraki

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2022-07-24 18:36:43).

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wanna just fight each other now and get it over with?

[froggodoggo]

I like infinity's page 5. feels very calm and collected and chill and other words. Infinity could i interest you in voting Gamma with me or would you prefer to stay on Klick?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Froggo, I would like you to reevaluate your town read on Lucian.

[Lucian]

See what I mean? LAMIST.

I don't care how good you think you are, town reading a post like 11 is absurd. That post could

easily

come from Scum.

Okay, and? Should I never townread or scumread anyone unless I am 100% certain what their alignment is? Do you think that's the level of confidence I have in my Aisa read?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't know?

But when you say 'you can be town' then my take is that you town read them. To what level is unclear, but a town read nonetheless.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

A town read for what is a completely NAI post I should add.

[Klick]

VOTE: klick i didn't like their reply to the lucian thing.

Can you elaborate on this?

you were a little closed to engagement in a way that seemed +scum to us. early game i'd expect town to want to engage; e.g. "here's why i think lucian here is scummy rather than overeager town" or just "i think being overexplaining in that way is +scum early on"

-idk

pedit: gamma could be scum

That's a completely valid take; I actively didn't want to elaborate fully because I wanted to keep seeing the observations I was seeing without influencing them or letting Lucian choose to play around them. So yes, I was hesitant to engage heavily there.

PEdit: holy posts

[froggodoggo]

Froggo, I would like you to reevaluate your town read on Lucian.

It is in the back of my mind. I didn't like lucian calling Klick's page1 push on em boring. Was a weird way to react to pressure and I don't like their current reaction to pressure either -- comes off a lil too aggressive for a solving townie who I think would be more understanding of other people having suspicions, too.

pedit: right klick?!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How about a vote on the Lucian wagon then?

[froggodoggo]

do you promise not to SR me for voting someone who i just TR'd?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I promise.

[Lucian]

But when you say 'you can be town' then my take is that you town read them. To what level is unclear, but a town read nonetheless.

I don't think it needs to be spelled out. Writing a "by the way, it's only page 1 and this read is not very strong due to the fact it's made by judging tone from one short post" would be absurd, OF COURSE that read is not strong. I bet if I did write that out, I'd have Klick over here saying "look guys, awkward scum! Writing out things that are plainly obvious!"

A town read for what is a completely NAI post I should add.

Do you think it's valid to say that Town is more likely to be relaxed in early game and joking around, while scum is more likely to be nervous, and thus less likely to make jokes?

[froggodoggo]

That's a completely valid take; I actively didn't want to elaborate fully because I wanted to keep seeing the observations I was seeing without influencing them or letting Lucian choose to play around them. So yes, I was hesitant to engage heavily there.

PEdit: holy posts

i have been doing this too. and im town. big town pov from klick. not sure if i want to officially TR them yet. but im getting there!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I suppose it depends on if you enjoy playing scum or not? Or whether you feel nervous in general as scum? I have seen many a scum enter a game with a joke or memey post. Are you saying you haven't?

[froggodoggo]

I bet if I did write that out, I'd have Klick over here saying "look guys, awkward scum! Writing out things that are plainly obvious!"

This reads as genuine scum frustration. Frustrated because they took an action (not writing out obvious things) to look townier and it backfired.

VOTE: Lucian

[froggodoggo]

sorry for the mix up Lucian this is why I do not like giving TRs so early

[Lucian]

I suppose it depends on if you enjoy playing scum or not? Or whether you feel nervous in general as scum? I have seen many a scum enter a game with a joke or memey post. Are you saying you haven't?

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that in general, Town is more likely to be relaxed in early game than scum is. This especially goes for someone like Aisa, who (judging by the amount of posts their profile has) does not have a lot of experience.

Is this a foolproof 100% read that is always going to be valid for everyone? No. Is it good enough for a page 1 townread to get the game going? Yeah.

[Lucian]

I bet if I did write that out, I'd have Klick over here saying "look guys, awkward scum! Writing out things that are plainly obvious!"

This reads as genuine scum frustration. Frustrated because they took an action (not writing out obvious things) to look townier and it backfired.

VOTE: Lucian

Nah, I'm just pointing out the absurdity of the situation.

Not sure where you get the idea I'm feeling frustrated either, this conversation is overall still pretty boring. Not to mention that my responses to it would be the same both as scum and as Town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't know why you keep equating your town read of Aisa to progression of the game state. That's not what's happened.

You didn't answer my question; have you ever seen scum enter a game with a joke or meme post?

Again, scum can absolutely be relaxed in a game. Especially in the RVS stage where pretty much anything goes. It sounds like you know what things 'should' be town but you have gone about it in a really scummy way.

[froggodoggo]

Not sure where you get the idea I'm feeling frustrated either

phrases like "ok, and?" and "OF COURSE"

[Infinity 324]

I like infinity's page 5. feels very calm and collected and chill and other words. Infinity could i interest you in voting Gamma with me or would you prefer to stay on Klick?

maybe honestly i never know what to do with my vote. i could vote gamma but what's the point, we'll 95% be able to read him correctly later anyway

-ellies

[froggodoggo]

Not to mention that my responses to it would be the same both as scum and as Town.

when do you usually differ in regards to your town play and your scum play?

[Lucian]

I don't know why you keep equating your town read of Aisa to progression of the game state. That's not what's happened.

You didn't answer my question; have you ever seen scum enter a game with a joke or meme post?

Again, scum can absolutely be relaxed in a game. Especially in the RVS stage where pretty much anything goes. It sounds like you know what things 'should' be town but you have gone about it in a really scummy way.

I'm equating it since early weak reads are how I drive a game forward in its early stages.

Yes. I have seen scum do that.

I'm not claiming scum can't be relaxed in a game. I'm claiming such behaviour is disproportionately more likely to be exhibited by Town, which is why I gave Aisa a Townread for it.

[Lucian]

Not to mention that my responses to it would be the same both as scum and as Town.

when do you usually differ in regards to your town play and your scum play?

Probably at any point where you're not attacking me for a playstyle trait that I exhibit as both scum and Town.