Mini Normal 2275: Roguelikes - Day 3: Endgame!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think Fred died instead of loft for two reasons:
- scum were pushing Lowell and Fred as loft alternatives
- I picked Fred to die over Lowell when everyone was appealing to me for my & shoshin’s votes

Loft was the scum helping the Lowell wagon
Fred wagon having scum before I joined means it’s you, cw, or Lowell

Lowell is v towny for a million reasons we’ve gone over a bunch

Therefore: I want to lim you or cw. I pick you because I think cw has been sorting and you’ve been hiding

Fred wasn't really being considered until I posted a case. I could easily have just voted Lowell instead or even Eira and pushed there instead. Scum!BBT had no reason to try and form a wagon from pretty much nothing. I had much easier options.

I can't check compositon of Fred wagon as I'm phone posting.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What makes you think Fred wagon had scum on before you joined? That doesn't make sense?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That’s the main reason I find you scummy but there are other reasons:

- After Kenny, the worst associatives with flipped scum
- When dunnstral replaced in, you’re “I’m so confident Kenny is scum I don’t need to hear from the replacement” went away and you instead said it was a good entrance because other people said so
- You seem as aimless as me but without the panic
- Refusal to play D2 after Shoshin was caught (no desire to out reads in case you were NKed?)
- Over-explained why you townread loft when no one asked

After Kenny kind of negates your first point entirely. I can't disagree about associatives with Loft. But there are none with Shoshin.

Dunn seemed decent on replace in so I wanted to give him time. He hasn't done a whole lot since though.

Right. I didn't want to share reads in case I was NKed. That's absolutely right.

I explained my town read on Loft because I wondered why CW was town reading them and if it matched my own reasons.

[Irrelephant11]

Flavor 1.5

Death

When you reach zero hit points, you die. Death is also possible when you have nonzero hit points, by several methods of instadeath or delayed instadeath. You lose all the progress you made in that game, and you may have your possessions identified, see your attributes at the time of death (as well as a single post-mortem attribute), see a list of vanquished creatures, see a list of monsters genocided, and see which official conducts you have adhered to.

Dying may also create a bones file.

A particularly spectacular character death, especially of a character that is was well on the way to ascension, is often called a splat. Watching splats (live or on Splat TV) is a part of the fun of social NetHack.

Source: NetHackWiki

Flip 1.5

Fredrick A Campbell

(7): BlueBloodedToffee, Eiralox, Lowell, Confidently Wrong, Irrelephant11, FancyPants, Shoshin

[HAMMER!]

Lowell

(2): Cat Scratch Fever, Loftwing

Loftwing

(1): Fredrick A Campbell

Eiralox

(1): kennyk

BlueBloodedToffee

(1): Malakittens

Not Voting

(1): MalcolmTucker

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Fredrick A Campbell

has been eliminated!

Fredrick A Campbell's role was

Town 1-Shot Bulletproof

!

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Night 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-06 11:17:00).

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Irrelephant, why are you so sure Fred wagon had scum on before you joined?

[Irrelephant11]

It was the primary wagon before I joined it, and only one scum joined after me. It saved a scum’s life so I think two scum were likely on it

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That doesn't really make sense, does it?

Because the wagon happened really quickly so trying to analyse it in that way simply doesn't work.

[Irrelephant11]

Why would the speed of it make it less likely to have a scum? You or cw as scum didn’t want to follow your teammate onto Lowell but wanted a miselim. the wagon quickly gained momentum as the result of either your wordy case or cw/hopping on and making it viable

If your point is that it could still be dunnstral I haven’t ruled that out. But given the scum PR is technically a mystery I am trying to hit scum asap, and I’m currently thinking you’re more likely than dunn

[Irrelephant11]

Though dunnstral’s silence is kinda scummy

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because it's not like scum would have had time to plan moves. I don't understand why you're so set on scum not following scum onto Lowell. Like, that absolutely could be a thing.

You're wrong about it being more likely to be me.

[Irrelephant11]

It couldve been a thing but it… wasn’t. Scum didn’t follow loft onto Lowell. We know this for a fact. This means third scum
A. Did nothing really
B. Voted for Fred

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Right, but I'm telling you it absolutely was an option instead of producing a whole new case on somebody else but you're not listening.

3rd scum could easily have had no time to react. Or they could be on it. I don't understand how you're differentiating between the two.

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Dunnstral

1. too silent
2. I have reasons to find the kenny slot scum, Dunn less so admittedly bet little to go on. My main point on Kenny is the utter hesitancy to jump onto loft.
3. Vig can sort either CW or Toffee at their own discretion
4. I'm willing to vote either Dunn or CW today, period. I can see scum in the toffee slot but not enough to vote today.

[Irrelephant11]

Oh yeah and the “I townread a commuter crumb because leaving MS and coming back made me change my mind and think commuters are always town” thing that seems p unlikely to be true

Pedit @BBT: in a world where scum does nothing I don’t think Fred becomes the leading wagon so fast

[Irrelephant11]

Sigh

We’re eliminated dunnstral today aren’t we

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I cannot wait for you to see my flip and realise I legit just forgot that scum could be Commuter.

It's a role I just town read and I didn't see scum softing something like that in advance.

[Irrelephant11]

*eliminating

[Irrelephant11]

I didn't see scum softing something like that in advance.

This is actually towny

[Irrelephant11]

Or like, it’s a good point that maybe comes from town

BBT why would revealing reads before N2 be bad? If you die don’t you want town to know your thoughts

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I didn't want to die.

[Irrelephant11]

Do you think it’s cw or dunnstral

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I also didn't town read a Commuter claim from someone I was scum reading.

I town read what I thought was a soft for a Commuter claim because I didn't think scum could be Commuters and I wouldn't expect scum to soft something like that in their very first post.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

Irrelephant, I made the same point in this post? So why is it only towny now?

[Eiralox]

And D2 i sorta hinted at irrel scum? and earlier today i townlocked irrel? then i went through irrel iso.... like idk, i mean something feels off but i know myself well enough not to act or encourage action without due reason, this is a light gut feel but im saying cos i might forget. shosh/irrel can be scum setting up town, or it be be double bluff kinda 'look scum wouldnt be buddy buddy like this' strongest point for irrel is loft. worst point for toffee is loft, but maybe that's reverse? maybe irrel and shosh were setting up tof in that one page i quoted? but this is all cloud stuff, i mean i got no real reason not to townread irrel at this point. just sharing? eh.



but anyway here's my flip order an i'll say my read order: CW/Dunnstral>Toffee>Irrel/Lowell>Malcolm>Enchant.

I highly doubt Enchant/Fancy is playing a deep dive game where they gave up their scummy buddy for no reason D2, so 99% town on that for now.

The other slots i'll happily sort in different order if i'm alive D4 and new info rolls in.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Do you think it’s cw or dunnstral

CW.

I think Shoshin pushing Loft on his vote/unvote of the Kenny slot probably makes them town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It explained why there was nothing of substance in terms of reads, because there was nothing in terms of reads. In terms of general thoughts, there is substance in their earlier posts.

So you vote Kenny for lack of substance despite lots of words. Then you unvote because Kenny confirms lots of words with no reads but that suddenly you found substance to his posts in the form of general thoughts. Why didn't these general thoughts matter before?

Shoshin's push on Loft regarding voting/unvoting Kenny prob makes Kenny town.

This probably means Town!Kenny, no?