LOST (Game Over)

[MalcolmTucker]

Because Dunn died for reasons?

Or for the same reasons you decided to try and scum read me?

By the sounds of it Dunn probably died for soft-claiming. Could be some self-motivation re players he scumread, but in a game of this size if you're scum then one townie sussing you without proof isn't necessarily something to worry about too much.

[MalcolmTucker]

My point specifically is that 1 veto only seems particularly scum-driven in order to mitigate DP's ability to interfere with Bell's pushes. I don't really feel that Bell should be specifically granting DP a veto and the fact that you're pushing that I am is strange.

The idea of a "veto" is essentially a bit meaningless anyway, the rest of the game is entitled to push who they want and while DP can defend them it's not an exemption from elimination, otherwise nobody would ever be voted out barring the occasional consensus.

[T-Bone]

Weren't you the one claiming (or agreeing with the person claiming) that scum would magically try and lim Taly on Day 2 because they knew Ceph would flip town? I'm sorry if I'm misattributing that take to you...but that's the take I was mocking.

I believe I said if Ceph was town then scum pushed him into the Taly gladiate for the motive I have outlined. I don't see what 8526 accomplishes other than a) being a shithead and b) trying to deconstruct my argument against you pre-emptively because while you weren't a leading suspect for me att, you were definitely a part of why Taly got gladiated over anyone else.

~GE

That post accomplished nothing which is what I immediately said in my next post and then reiterated for you in this post.

[Dancing Puppets]

Weren't you the one claiming (or agreeing with the person claiming) that scum would magically try and lim Taly on Day 2 because they knew Ceph would flip town? I'm sorry if I'm misattributing that take to you...but that's the take I was mocking.

I wanted a no lim because I thought scum would be more likely to push the survivor of the gladiate, whichever way it went and I think Ceph probably would have been even more likely to be wagoned than Taly in that case.

[Off The Hook]

Because Dunn died for reasons?

Or for the same reasons you decided to try and scum read me?

By the sounds of it Dunn probably died for soft-claiming. Could be some self-motivation re players he scumread, but in a game of this size if you're scum then one townie sussing you without proof isn't necessarily something to worry about too much.

it's a really bad look that BBT is making a big deal of "Dunn was pushing BBT before he died" as a point and trying to deflect it onto

literally anyone else

~GE

[Lukewarm]

my belief is scum wanted Taly out before he becomes unassailable by being obvtown

I think Bell acted in such a manner via his baselessly strong push for Taly's death D1, and I think he would view it as furthering wincon if he could trade a Taly veto for locking DP out of any further vetoes.

~GE

This feels like a silly thing to believe.

Ceph chose Taly for the gladiate. Ceph flipped town.

When the gladiate happened, every single flips townie (Dunn, Frog, and Ceph) and one of the masons (Roden) voted for Taly.

(I was also voting Taly, but you don't know my alignement, so :shrug:)

Acting like the push for Taly was some scum plot feels reductive.

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This has been a consistent and repeated trend of me seeing post after post of people saying: I think that the scum team is doing

_(Something that Luke was doing)_

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Which really messes with me. Because on one hand it, it makes me want to completely ignore the argument because I know that a townie was thinking/doing the thing. But on the other hand it makes me want to shout at people: "THEN WHY ARE YOU NOT SCUM READING ME"

[Bell]

My point specifically is that 1 veto only seems particularly scum-driven in order to mitigate DP's ability to interfere with Bell's pushes. I don't really feel that Bell should be specifically granting DP a veto and the fact that you're pushing that I am is strange.

I don't have much idea why, but it feels like because you didn't disagree or you didn't care how frustrated Luke and I were at Nancy spamming the thread saying taly was town. But there's your explanation. I gave up. There wee a lot of people calling Taly town.
and you just ignored the case I made on them and called it empty when I least made a case. Unlike PD, Nancy, Johnny, etc who just went "so town" over and over.

[MalcolmTucker]

Weren't you the one claiming (or agreeing with the person claiming) that scum would magically try and lim Taly on Day 2 because they knew Ceph would flip town? I'm sorry if I'm misattributing that take to you...but that's the take I was mocking.

I wanted a no lim because I thought scum would be more likely to push the survivor of the gladiate, whichever way it went and I think Ceph probably would have been even more likely to be wagoned than Taly in that case.

Scum could have pushed there but not 100% convinced Ceph would have been easily wagoned this turn. Plenty of people who TR'd them and they could've tried to argue it was just a bold town gambit that failed - again, like with the gladiate itself, the motive to do it doesn't work if Ceph reckons they're just getting eliminated the next day anyway. And again in a game of this size actually maintaining a wagon without it seeming too forced won't be easy for scum unless lots of others are onboard.

[Lukewarm]

But on the other hand it makes me want to shout at people: "THEN WHY ARE YOU NOT SCUM READING ME"

My gut reaction is to feel like they keep coming from scum, because it is not real thoughts being applied to the player list evenly.

But then it has come from too many slots.

So, I just feel confused.

[Bell]

I'm making an exception and I don't really hard scum read Taly anyway.
They were very much a "I STRONGLY PREFER TALY TO CEPHRIR WHO I THINK IS TOWN AND NO LIM ISN'T an OPTION"
before just getting fed up and voting cephrir out.

This isn't difficult.

[MalcolmTucker]

my belief is scum wanted Taly out before he becomes unassailable by being obvtown

I think Bell acted in such a manner via his baselessly strong push for Taly's death D1, and I think he would view it as furthering wincon if he could trade a Taly veto for locking DP out of any further vetoes.

~GE

This feels like a silly thing to believe.

Ceph chose Taly for the gladiate. Ceph flipped town.

When the gladiate happened, every single flips townie (Dunn, Frog, and Ceph) and one of the masons (Roden) voted for Taly.

(I was also voting Taly, but you don't know my alignement, so :shrug:)

Acting like the push for Taly was some scum plot feels reductive.

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This has been a consistent and repeated trend of me seeing post after post of people saying: I think that the scum team is doing

_(Something that Luke was doing)_

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Which really messes with me. Because on one hand it, it makes me want to completely ignore the argument because I know that a townie was thinking/doing the thing. But on the other hand it makes me want to shout at people: "THEN WHY ARE YOU NOT SCUM READING ME"

Agreed, if Taly is town I imagine scum took a mix of approaches - probably tried to even themselves out a bit, and in one or two cases I wouldn't be shocked if there's some panicky types who jumped around a bit for what they believed to be the most opportune elimination.

[Lukewarm]

And to be clear Gamma.

I accept exactly Zero (0) vetoes from Nancy.

So, it really confuses me to see you say that Bell, if town, should be willing to accept More Then One (>1) Veto for nancy, or conversely, you see scum motivation behind being unwilling to accept multiple from her.

[Bellaphant]

But on the other hand it makes me want to shout at people: "THEN WHY ARE YOU NOT SCUM READING ME"

My gut reaction is to feel like they keep coming from scum, because it is not real thoughts being applied to the player list evenly.

But then it has come from too many slots.

So, I just feel confused.

Can you elaborate on this bit? I was following before.

[Off The Hook]

My point specifically is that 1 veto only seems particularly scum-driven in order to mitigate DP's ability to interfere with Bell's pushes. I don't really feel that Bell should be specifically granting DP a veto and the fact that you're pushing that I am is strange.

I don't have much idea why, but it feels like because you didn't disagree or you didn't care how frustrated Luke and I were at Nancy spamming the thread saying taly was town. But there's your explanation. I gave up. There wee a lot of people calling Taly town.
and you just ignored the case I made on them and called it empty when I least made a case. Unlike PD, Nancy, Johnny, etc who just went "so town" over and over.

idk if I deliberately ignored your case on Taly, maybe I just saw it and didn't think to respond. But I definitely DID make my own case for Taly!town which I believe you never engaged yourself!

~GE

[MalcolmTucker]

Because Dunn died for reasons?

Or for the same reasons you decided to try and scum read me?

By the sounds of it Dunn probably died for soft-claiming. Could be some self-motivation re players he scumread, but in a game of this size if you're scum then one townie sussing you without proof isn't necessarily something to worry about too much.

it's a really bad look that BBT is making a big deal of "Dunn was pushing BBT before he died" as a point and trying to deflect it onto

literally anyone else

~GE

Only issue is, if BBT was scum would he want to remind everyone of Dunn SR's him?

[T-Bone]

I feel the same way Luke, maybe you're my secret alt.

[Dancing Puppets]

Weren't you the one claiming (or agreeing with the person claiming) that scum would magically try and lim Taly on Day 2 because they knew Ceph would flip town? I'm sorry if I'm misattributing that take to you...but that's the take I was mocking.

I wanted a no lim because I thought scum would be more likely to push the survivor of the gladiate, whichever way it went and I think Ceph probably would have been even more likely to be wagoned than Taly in that case.

Scum could have pushed there but not 100% convinced Ceph would have been easily wagoned this turn. Plenty of people who TR'd them and they could've tried to argue it was just a bold town gambit that failed - again, like with the gladiate itself, the motive to do it doesn't work if Ceph reckons they're just getting eliminated the next day anyway. And again in a game of this size actually maintaining a wagon without it seeming too forced won't be easy for scum unless lots of others are onboard.

So you think the outcome - Ceph flip - was what scum wanted > they just didn’t care which one flipped?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Who's voting for Taly rn?

[T-Bone]

Weren't you the one claiming (or agreeing with the person claiming) that scum would magically try and lim Taly on Day 2 because they knew Ceph would flip town? I'm sorry if I'm misattributing that take to you...but that's the take I was mocking.

I believe I said if Ceph was town then scum pushed him into the Taly gladiate for the motive I have outlined. I don't see what 8526 accomplishes other than a) being a shithead and b) trying to deconstruct my argument against you pre-emptively because while you weren't a leading suspect for me att, you were definitely a part of why Taly got gladiated over anyone else.

~GE

Also from your point of view, why does Nancy want to have veto power over a Taly lim?

[Off The Hook]

my belief is scum wanted Taly out before he becomes unassailable by being obvtown

I think Bell acted in such a manner via his baselessly strong push for Taly's death D1, and I think he would view it as furthering wincon if he could trade a Taly veto for locking DP out of any further vetoes.

~GE

This feels like a silly thing to believe.

Ceph chose Taly for the gladiate. Ceph flipped town.

When the gladiate happened, every single flips townie (Dunn, Frog, and Ceph) and one of the masons (Roden) voted for Taly.

(I was also voting Taly, but you don't know my alignement, so :shrug:)

Acting like the push for Taly was some scum plot feels reductive.

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This has been a consistent and repeated trend of me seeing post after post of people saying: I think that the scum team is doing

_(Something that Luke was doing)_

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Which really messes with me. Because on one hand it, it makes me want to completely ignore the argument because I know that a townie was thinking/doing the thing. But on the other hand it makes me want to shout at people: "THEN WHY ARE YOU NOT SCUM READING ME"

maybe I'm off-base but I feel like the push for Taly's death especially towards the end of D1 was too strong to be reasonable. I understand the evidence is not entirely in favor of my argument but I also have made similarly selective (well, to others, I don't feel like I was being selective but my point never got across during the game in question) arguments as town, there was a very recent game where that happened. And like, I could be pushing Math based on this logic but I'm not, because in his particular case I think his Taly progression is town indicative. In your case I'm not really decided, marci says she SR you but I haven't really figured out where I stand there.

~GE

[Off The Hook]

Because Dunn died for reasons?

Or for the same reasons you decided to try and scum read me?

By the sounds of it Dunn probably died for soft-claiming. Could be some self-motivation re players he scumread, but in a game of this size if you're scum then one townie sussing you without proof isn't necessarily something to worry about too much.

it's a really bad look that BBT is making a big deal of "Dunn was pushing BBT before he died" as a point and trying to deflect it onto

literally anyone else

~GE

Only issue is, if BBT was scum would he want to remind everyone of Dunn SR's him?

he didn't have a choice! It was pointed out before he started posting about this, and afterwards he went off the rails trying to call anyone Dunn pushed scum!

~GE

[Bell]

it feels like this push on math is scum motivated.

i think everyone was content to just shade corwin before, (sort of like how johnnys being treated) but now that mathblades repped in it feels like people are like "oh shit"

wake up please everybody, you just keep letting johnny slide by unchecked.
this is an obv move to save johnny imo

Overall I think cephrir seems town
He’s doing a bit more interesting stuff than I think he would as scum

~GE

VOTE: taly
im not really confident taly would be scum, i think theyve been trying their hardest. but we need an elim for info and i think it doesnt make sense for cephiriridiidiriri as scum to do this shit cuz if we landed on him instead of taly he basically did it to himself and scum dont want that sort of shit

I’m gonna have to accelerate to the part where I ISO Taly vs. doing the other ones I have from the main requests

~GE

that said tho

GUYS I LOWKEY FEEL SO BAD FOR TALY I JUST THINK THEYRE DISMOTIVATED TOWN NOW FHJEISIS

I also get no sense Taly is scum from his ISO so I’m at the very least baffled by the fact he was SR so much
Seems like he legitimately did get FoSed for lesser thread presence given his thoughts seem insightful, he just probably didn’t get to speak up as often and his voice got drowned out

~GE

it is just neighbor and i don't think that's an insignificant role.

This tracks with prior position Taly has held if anyone was wondering

~GE

Why is Taly town?

Because he’s actually trying to exert influence over the game vs. hoping to ride out the insane activity level

~GE

im better read post-D1.

Cephrir’s Taly gladiate is absolute dogshit given this

~GE

Has Taly claimed?

Neighbor with you???

I’m like 99% on Bell being scum here

~GE

Technically, couldn't we just not vote and let the time run out?

I wish we could vote on skipping a day or something?

Dude are you crazy?

Why is that crazy?

*takes Rad aside*
Between eliminating someone day 1 and not eliminating someone day 1 which one do you think benefits town the most?

Yup this is scum. I just hit 100% confidence on this read. Shea’s Among Us 100% contradicts this PoV.

~GE

Chances are we elim a town today. Why is it crazy to skip? Explain to me with logic.

You have to sacrifice the lamb

This is such a dogshit scum post. Like it’s not even fucking subtle!

~GE

I find it wild that the counter argument to townreads on Taly is “we have to vote SOMEONE”

~GE

Yup this is scum. I just hit 100% confidence on this read. Shea’s Among Us 100% contradicts this PoV.

~GE

What does this mean?

Town FUCKING DOMINATED a game where a no yeet happened Day 1. Bell was scum in that game too. I’m betting that game is in his memory and is why he’s against abstaining here!

~GE

VOTE: no lim

Was the timing of cephrir's gladiator coincided with saving frogs from being eliminated? Cause if so they could be partners

It effectively saved Frogster, Mala, Dunn, Johnny (I think those four had the most votes)

good to get this cleared up, I had asked who the wagons were earlier
btw was ceph a wagon at the time? I don't believe he was and my gears are turning on a certain thought

~GE

[Off The Hook]

And to be clear Gamma.

I accept exactly Zero (0) vetoes from Nancy.

So, it really confuses me to see you say that Bell, if town, should be willing to accept More Then One (>1) Veto for nancy, or conversely, you see scum motivation behind being unwilling to accept multiple from her.

I don't think town!Bell should have accepted a veto
I'm saying scum!Bell only accepting the 1 veto serves a long-term purpose of limiting DP's ability to interfere. No more, no less. I'm getting really fucking tired of you assclowns misrepresenting my arguments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Weren't you the one claiming (or agreeing with the person claiming) that scum would magically try and lim Taly on Day 2 because they knew Ceph would flip town? I'm sorry if I'm misattributing that take to you...but that's the take I was mocking.

I believe I said if Ceph was town then scum pushed him into the Taly gladiate for the motive I have outlined. I don't see what 8526 accomplishes other than a) being a shithead and b) trying to deconstruct my argument against you pre-emptively because while you weren't a leading suspect for me att, you were definitely a part of why Taly got gladiated over anyone else.

~GE

Also from your point of view, why does Nancy want to have veto power over a Taly lim?

I don't understand your question or what you hope to achieve.

~GE

[Rad]

@RAD

Why did you think that Dunn was a Paranoid Gun owner?

So when you and Dunn had this back and forth about soft outting his role to you, he said:

I am going to attempt to soft my role to Lukewarm. This should be fairly cryptic but not impossible to figure out.

"...but it's what you are going to get."

And I sat on that line for a while trying to come up with what the rest of the line was. Back when I used to play, we had a role called Veteran, so I pictured a vet sitting in his rocking chair and as the scum walk into his door, he shoots them saying something like "this may not be what you were looking for, but it's what you are going to get." BOOM.

This fit fairly well for me with his other statement here:

Is it a role that is confirmable or extremely useful and you would not recommend killing in any capacity D1 Dunn.

Confirmable: yes
Extremely useful: no
Would not recommend killing day 1: yes

Confirmable - yeah he's going to kill scum when they come try to NK him. Also I had the thought that it could be a vet with both a day kill and night kill option.
Extremely Useful - depends on if scum comes to kill him, maybe he says No because scum probably won't try it.
Would not recommend killing day 1 - yes, let the scum try to come kill him

Confirmable: yes

This shit better confirm

UNVOTE:

I sure hope I don't get roleblocked

This post also felt like more confirmation, like he was trying to bait scum into roleblocking him (which in my understanding, the vet/pgo should fire first before the roleblock? no clue if that's actually how that would play out)

All that said, I didn't even know a "friendly neighbor" role existed so it wasn't in the realm of role possibilities I was considering when I was trying to figure out what he was soft claiming.

[Off The Hook]

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