Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

[furtiveglance]

I townread Aisa. They seem really genuine.

Yeah I'm not sure about Klick myself, or froggo, but I TR Lucian/Infinity.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm feeling like CSF is scum.

Did you ever go into this beyond vibes?

[furtiveglance]

I'm feeling like CSF is scum.

Did you ever go into this beyond vibes?

349 is probably the most analysis I've seen from you this game. I voted you because I wasn't sure what your reads were or if you had any, which is instant partner equity with everyone. Then there's vote hopping which I don't really like in general. And when a few of my townreads hopped on, it made me think we'd all voted mafia together.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Just gonna come out and say that I see all this but I need to RL pretty hard tonight so not sure I'll have time to address this today
...which also explains why I got in made two easy posts and left

It's also the furtive meta read, which ended up as a townread but then you immediately qualified it

We can talk about Dunn if you'd like and what pinged you there

[furtiveglance]

CSF, you townread GE quite early on, are you still thinking Town for them?

[furtiveglance]

CSF, you townread GE quite early on, are you still thinking Town for them?

Because I don't really think you're paired looking at it, I just sus you both individually.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm feeling like CSF is scum.

Did you ever go into this beyond vibes?

349 is probably the most analysis I've seen from you this game. I voted you because I wasn't sure what your reads were or if you had any, which is instant partner equity with everyone. Then there's vote hopping which I don't really like in general. And when a few of my townreads hopped on, it made me think we'd all voted mafia together.

yeah that's fair

I've been kind of out of it these last 2 days so I haven't gotten my head into the game. so I can kind of understand the wagon on me, if that makes sense

p-edit: I don't remember townreading GE like super early, but I do think he's town now, yeah. I don't really know how to explain it beyond "gut" - like these posts just make me think he's town: 302, 303

[furtiveglance]

I'm feeling like CSF is scum.

Did you ever go into this beyond vibes?

349 is probably the most analysis I've seen from you this game. I voted you because I wasn't sure what your reads were or if you had any, which is instant partner equity with everyone. Then there's vote hopping which I don't really like in general. And when a few of my townreads hopped on, it made me think we'd all voted mafia together.

yeah that's fair

I've been kind of out of it these last 2 days so I haven't gotten my head into the game. so I can kind of understand the wagon on me, if that makes sense

p-edit: I don't remember townreading GE like super early, but I do think he's town now, yeah. I don't really know how to explain it beyond "gut" - like these posts just make me think he's town: 302, 303

Those are two of their scummiest posts for me. It's "wow you're trynna sus me lMaO" and *caps about something irrelevant*

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I feel like he's emotionally invested in this game based on those posts, which feels towny. He's also not afraid to be a little aggro and make enemies

[furtiveglance]

It's one of those where GE's superior attitude and pointed comments are simultaneously a *general* towntell and rubbing me the wrong way regardless of alignment. I've seen it from both alignments, and I don't like it either way.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

stuff like this can be scum faking it, but it didn't ping me that way.

It also kinda tracks; Gamma had a scumread on you before that, saw what he thought was bad push tying him as scum to me, and got annoyed

[furtiveglance]

Talking to you makes me want to unvote. I'm a bit of a softie.

[furtiveglance]

I don't know anymore. Don't hammer before I come back, I'm going to bed.

[Aisa]

VOTE: Aisa

I didn't like their recent two posts. It felt like they popped in, asked an easy question, and ignored some of the more topical stuff that was happening in the game. sorry Aisa :[

It's a game of mafia, you can push me whenever you want love x

Putting about 10 minutes into this game, so this will not be my most deeply considered posting ever.

I thought froggo sounded towny. Was their tone maybe a little unusual? Yes, but in a way that was more likely to come from town I thought. With that in mind your page 1 push on him did seem a little awkward. From the vibe you gave off I pegged you for someone that should be able to recognise enthusiastic town - pr, if not enthusiastic town, a type of post that could easily come from enthusiastic town.

What is your read on Lucian?

I'm not really sure. Null, the I-need-to-think-more-about-him type of null. I tend to disagree the reasons he gives for some of his reads:

Spoiler: Lucian's reads

Welp. I thought the banter in 12 was between friends or acquaintances, but if not, then it gives a weird pockety, overly-friendly vibe.

froggo is hitting a lot of "awkward scum in the early game" pings.

I think I've already talked about this, but I thought there was no reason froggo's posts couldn't come from town.

[...]

I think Lucian, Aisa, Infinity and froggo are all town.

CSF and now BBT are looking scum, I think BBT's push on Lucian is way too agressive, just looks out of place and kind of restless, agitating for someone to push.

The reason why I think BBT is Town is because "scum isn't more likely to be relaxed! That is completely NAI!!" is a very stupid hill to choose to die on as scum. Scum usually has a bit more self-awareness, he reads like a stubborn Townie to me.

I think furtive's already addressed this and I concur - have seen scum fake tunnelling before.

Enchant seems like he has zero interest of playing this game, I think that's scummy. And the IC is also voting there. So why not.

And also this - again it feels like this shows a lack of consideration for what the baseline of Enchant's play is.

I haven't decided yet whether it's just a playstyle difference or something more, you know? But also he feels a bit like he's jumping all around without committing to anything in a way that scum could plausibly fake.

I think I kinda want my vote there atm actually.
VOTE: Lucian

[Aisa]

Will get around to talking about Dunn's posts pinging me tomorrow.

I would also support an Aisa wagon happening. I don't like the fact that she seem to have a lot of townreads but is seemingly avoiding having scumreads.

I'd also like BBT's take on that slot.

What's scummy about that?

I don't know anymore. Don't hammer before I come back, I'm going to bed.

? CSF's not particularly at risk of being hammered?

[Lucian]

I think Lucian, Aisa, Infinity and froggo are all town.

CSF and now BBT are looking scum, I think BBT's push on Lucian is way too agressive, just looks out of place and kind of restless, agitating for someone to push.

The reason why I think BBT is Town is because "scum isn't more likely to be relaxed! That is completely NAI!!" is a very stupid hill to choose to die on as scum. Scum usually has a bit more self-awareness, he reads like a stubborn Townie to me.

I think furtive's already addressed this and I concur - have seen scum fake tunnelling before.

Misrepresenting my post right after quoting it is a bold strategy.

(Before anyone asks, no, I don't think Aisa's lockscum for it. I can see her not having thought the post through fully if she's in a rush and just picking stuff from my ISO. But it is annoying.)

[Lucian]

I would also support an Aisa wagon happening. I don't like the fact that she seem to have a lot of townreads but is seemingly avoiding having scumreads.

I'd also like BBT's take on that slot.

What's scummy about that?

For one, scumreads are generally more difficult to fake for scum than townreads are. In most cases, scum finds it easier to say things that are correct (e.g. townreading Townies). Since most people in game are Town, townreads are much easier to produce as scum.

Also, outing scumreads creates conflict. It makes people analyse you and it can paint a target on your back. Which doesn't happen if you just townread everyone and don't offer scumreads, you avoid conflict that way. And I think a good number of newer scum tends to want to avoid conflict if there is no heat currently present on them.

[Aisa]

Wrt the post I misrepresented, you are correct. Sorry. I retract that part.

[Lucian]

And for the record, I have considered the baseline for Enchant's play. He's under it.

I haven't decided yet whether it's just a playstyle difference or something more, you know? But also he feels a bit like he's jumping all around without committing to anything in a way that scum could plausibly fake.

The game's been going no for 48 hours. What does "committing" mean at this point? Has anyone committed to anything?

[froggodoggo]

Gut tells me that furtive is town and that CSF will flip scum.

[froggodoggo]

I just really want a flip to happen tbh.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think you might've eaten some funky, froggo.

[Hiraki]

can you help me off of CSF? i didn't vote but i was pretty ready to do so tbh. don't think enchant is a bad idea

after reading, i think enchant is better than CSF. CSF just doesn't have a lot of good posts. BBT was an early game lean scum and has not improved either - it does not help that the sole vote on BBT is CSF but that is an early guess - not a read of both players.

can you rephrase this part a bit? i'm not understanding your thoughts on CSF. ty!!

i'm not either tbh - he's not really scummy and other scummy people seem to be on him which can go either way (no pre-flip determination here)

it hasn't been that long jeez

I'm not being mean, I genuinely don't know because I've never seriously evaluated your read quality as town

there are no day vigs in this game yet you're firing shots at me

A bit astonishing you think I would be despite my join date.

i think you're town here (altho i am not good at that) and i'm confused at this flex

Enchant seems like he has zero interest of playing this game, I think that's scummy. And the IC is also voting there. So why not.

ty

Enchant seems like he has zero interest of playing this game, I think that's scummy. And the IC is also voting there. So why not.

If enchant were to flip right now what information do we get from each alignment? (excluding wagon analysis ofc)

i want to flip scum, not alignment

yeah this whole exchange is a little weird to me - it's a weird half-defense

Extremely bad read, but the creativity of it feels genuine. So there's that I guess.

agreed - i was cringing reading those 3 posts

For one, scumreads are generally more difficult to fake for scum than townreads are.

i don't agree with this but this is not a conversation for this game

[Enchant]

Do you have questions to me?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I took a look at your Lucian scum case Aisa, and I'm not really feeling it

Enchant, do you have reads?