Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

[Enchant]

Not really, only basic thoughts.

[froggodoggo]

Enchant seems like he has zero interest of playing this game, I think that's scummy. And the IC is also voting there. So why not.

If enchant were to flip right now what information do we get from each alignment? (excluding wagon analysis ofc)

i want to flip scum, not alignment

yeah this whole exchange is a little weird to me - it's a weird half-defense

Thought it would be a good way to explain my thought process without just saying “vote lurkers d1 bad”
I guess I’m defending enchant but I have them as null

[froggodoggo]

Enchant can I get a run down of your playstyle?

[Enchant]

Enchant can I get a run down of your playstyle?

Depending on mood and interest.

[Alianna]

1.12

Votecount 1.12

Cat Scratch Fever (4): furtiveglance, Infinity 324, froggodoggo, Klick
Enchant (2): Hiraki, Lucian
Lucian (2): BlueBloodedToffee, Aisa
furtiveglance (1): Gamma Emerald
Malakittens (1): Enchant
Aisa (1): Cat Scratch Fever

Not Voting (2): Dunnstral, Malakittens

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2022-07-24 18:36:43).

[froggodoggo]

Enchant can I get a run down of your playstyle?

Depending on mood and interest.

Ah. Sorry that you didn’t roll SK
Care to hop on a wagon?

[Lucian]

And also this - again it feels like this shows a lack of consideration for what the baseline of Enchant's play is.

Hmm. Aisa, do you have experience with Enchant? Do you have any knowledge of his play?

[Dunnstral]

I don't like the way Lucian has responded about their read on Aisa

unsure what this is referring to -- dunn can you expand on ur thoughts abt Lucian? I would also like to know what you think about BBT and Aisa.

what do you think about the fact that BBT honed in on you for saying people were town on page 1, but not Aisa, who also said people were town on page 1?

could've swore I saw this mentioned already earlier but i can't find anything abt it. I also think this would give more info if you asked BBT instead of Lucian but thats probably NAI.

To be honest I don't remember what I was talking about with Lucian/Aisa. I probably meant 158 being a weird post with the "To make it worse".

I don't have an opinion on BBT or Aisa and don't know why you are asking me about them either.

[Enchant]

Enchant can I get a run down of your playstyle?

Depending on mood and interest.

Ah. Sorry that you didn’t roll SK
Care to hop on a wagon?

It's not really about SK.

Need to think before i vote.

[Gamma Emerald]

Things are becoming clearer now. CSF/GE/Malakittens, ft. BBT/Dunnstral on drums as SK (possibly)

Feel like this needs elaboration if it's serious

It's serious, but not that elaborate. It's just who I sus.

do you have reason to sus me other than that I'm not voting CSF?

You haven't mentioned CSF once - high partner equity.

For low-level scum that would be +partner equity, but I'm not low-level scum.

Ok, I didn't mean to offend you, high level scum it is!

What do you actually think of CSF then? They just voted Aisa without acknowledging the wagon on them, is that towny or scummy?

I think it’s towny because she’s solving on her own vs. getting defensive. That’s my take on it.

[Gamma Emerald]

It could be argued she started pushing Aisa as a reaction to getting voted but I don’t get that feeling.

[Gamma Emerald]

The thing that sticks in my mind is them asking GE whether they would sheep them on a read - the concept of having good reads or bad reads showed a Town POV.

I don’t know exactly what this means but I like the idea of it.

[Dunnstral]

THINK FURTIVE THINK!
WHY WOULD

I

TAKE NOTICE OF

YOU

TALKING ABOUT COLORS?

I do know, but I don't think you really have a point. If you think you do, you can share it with the group.

I'm going to let my votes do the talking.

as for this, I'll let Dunn/Enchant (well, really just Dunn!) determine whether more is said. I believe you that it's that way on your homesite but there's something else that makes the whole deal bothersome.

It sounds like getting the color would make them not a serial killer; Except that's easily fakeable, can be a genuine mistake even if they're a serial killer based on what they've said, and we don't even know if a serial killer is in the game. What is perhaps more interesting is that they seem to be accusing other players of being a serial killer instead of mafia.

So they said:

Things are becoming clearer now. CSF/GE/Malakittens, ft. BBT/Dunnstral on drums as SK (possibly)

What is the reasoning for calling BBT/myself serial killer specifically? All they've explained it with is that they think we're suspicious, but they've never made that distinction, and they never go into why they think I am suspicious either.

[Gamma Emerald]

Extremely bad read, but the creativity of it feels genuine. So there's that I guess.

why is it bad? I see a logic to it. I want furtive to try to explain before I share it tho

[froggodoggo]

Dunn why not just ask furtive to explain the read

[Dunnstral]

Dunn why not just ask furtive to explain the read

I literally did do that in my post

[Lucian]

Extremely bad read, but the creativity of it feels genuine. So there's that I guess.

why is it bad? I see a logic to it. I want furtive to try to explain before I share it tho

I also see a logic to it, which is why I said it makes furtive look genuine.

But I also think that Enchant saying "so would you follow my vote??", him being aware that his reads can be good or bad does NOT show a Town POV. It's trivial to fake. Scum is aware that reads can be good or bad, they probably think about Town's reads and think "good" or "bad" throughout the whole game.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Klick

I didn't like their arguing that Hiraki should decide the elimination and that we had info to work with because I think they know better than to push for that kind of thing on day 1. We would have little to work with if we did this. Further, I don't think that there is a lot of information to solve the game with right now and am surprised that they think otherwise, and that they are creating town/scum lists this early. Finally, I didn't like their wagon vote on CSF.

[Dunnstral]

Extremely bad read, but the creativity of it feels genuine. So there's that I guess.

why is it bad? I see a logic to it. I want furtive to try to explain before I share it tho

I also see a logic to it, which is why I said it makes furtive look genuine.

But I also think that Enchant saying "so would you follow my vote??", him being aware that his reads can be good or bad does NOT show a Town POV. It's trivial to fake. Scum is aware that reads can be good or bad, they probably think about Town's reads and think "good" or "bad" throughout the whole game.

He wasn't even faking anything, he was asking a question, right?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm feeling like CSF is scum.

Did you ever go into this beyond vibes?

349 is probably the most analysis I've seen from you this game. I voted you because I wasn't sure what your reads were or if you had any, which is instant partner equity with everyone. Then there's vote hopping which I don't really like in general. And when a few of my townreads hopped on, it made me think we'd all voted mafia together.

yeah that's fair

I've been kind of out of it these last 2 days so I haven't gotten my head into the game. so I can kind of understand the wagon on me, if that makes sense

p-edit: I don't remember townreading GE like super early, but I do think he's town now, yeah. I don't really know how to explain it beyond "gut" - like these posts just make me think he's town: 302, 303

Those are two of their scummiest posts for me. It's "wow you're trynna sus me lMaO" and *caps about something irrelevant*

You’re just pissed off, those are actually posts I probably wouldn’t make as scum, notably the “think furtive think” post

[Lucian]

Sure. "That question would be trivially easy to ask as scum," if you wanna be precise.

[froggodoggo]

Dunn why not just ask furtive to explain the read

I literally did do that in my post

True but it reads as more of an accusation than a question.

[Dunnstral]

Yes I am accusing them

[Gamma Emerald]

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[froggodoggo]

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