Mini Normal 2275: Roguelikes - Day 3: Endgame!

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Now that im not seeimg red as much, lowell being unaware of the v obvious vig could be towny here

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PR hunting as town isnt scummy lmao. How do you stop intuitively noticing PR tells? Its not a switch to be shut down

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I think i deduced tracker.

But i am not sure.

Yeah its me

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If 4 players really really want CW let me not be the pocketed idiot saving scum!cw from elimination. They’re smart enough to know tunneling Lowell until right before deadline looks towny and could make endgame slightly more possible. Still think they’re just bad town though.

My current lim preference is BBT/Dunn (dunn’s quietness and BBT’s convo with me here have them about equal) >>> CW >> Lowell >>>>>>>>>>>> Malcolm >> Eira > enchant


Pedit: woah lots of posts
I misread 1631 as only saying “I thought only town could be a commuter so a scum would never soft such a thing”. What you were actually saying makes much more sense

The wonderful duality of me being stupid enough to tie myself to dead weight partners, but be smart enough to post everything i have as scum

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eira just bc im vt doesn't mean im expendable. Thats fucking horrible

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I didn't see scum softing something like that in advance.

This is actually towny

Not rly

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If they pulled the soft out their ass it definitely isnt

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Irrelephant11 you're the one person actaully reading what im saying, notice how the people who are calling me scum are just shittunnelers

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Dont let peer pressure sway you. Collective opinion can be garbage because these are people who just kept validating eachothers shit.
i know yall will actually kill bbt and im sure its them so im less *panicked* about dying but also on principle im defending myself.

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Maybe i should commit to never explaining reads or shit tho. Seems an easy way to stay out of the light of shittunneling townies

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So everyone is a shit tunneling townie now?

How cute.

Eira and malcom are. I think you have burden of proficiency to find me town. You found me town under similar circumstances. Theres little excuse.

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eira just bc im vt doesn't mean im expendable. Thats fucking horrible

hey i mean i'll kepp an open mind(not in my reads but when it comes to changing my vote and dunnstral's...... coming? hopefully. So.... the reason my head went that way is Lowell's post RE: Dunnstral claiming VT, where it's safer to vote on VT than possible TRs at this point. so yeah. But wow ive been surfgin forums for way too mcuh now rn imma be rat 4 real

Once you stop caring about claims it makes mafia easier

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Lmao dunn

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Actually what if we just all claim.if we know why kill didnt go th4ough last night
If no one knows, it has to bascially be dunn

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Ok mr "what's your third choice "

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I dont care. You just exposed yourself lmao

You asked me for my third choice POE and then started to manipulate it against me like its my first choice.

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But what changed was that dunn has done nothing I have asked them to analysis wise really and just lazilly stated things.

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My dunn townread is under the assumption of good modding and a doc existing

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It's nothing more complex than i believe im the only player who would intentionally no kill to dodge tracker

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Vig is designed to be somewhat anti town bc of compulsive modifier

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UNVOTE:


VOTE: Dunn[/v]

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VOTE: dunn

a) I suck ass at reading kenny. I cannot distinguish town kenny from scum kenny. his reads were in retrospect somewhat soft.
b) shoshin/loft were doing weird ass distancing that looked genuine. it makes sense
c) I really dont doc read anyone here. I have a VT read on everyone except Enchant and Eira. Backup and bulletproof both act as protectives too, so adding a 3rd is ??
d) BBT's last string of posts made me feel a lot better about the slot and also reminded myself that BBT likes to gut OMGUS people generally

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i admit i was moreso big mad I knew exactly what was coming when BBT asked their question and knew there was a town explaination I just was pissed about it because its something I deal with a lot where people start scumreading me for a read deeper in my PoE, in those cases mostly though its because I'm actually right on the #1 person in my POE and people think that my backup option is too obvtown to even consider as a backup option and then that makes me scum lol(if you do this, stop and consider if the #1 option makes sense first)

But yea.

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I pointed out this game is more of an exception.

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I have been pushing ahead as if i am in my average towngame when I am in one of my bottom towngames and need to approach it differently.

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I'm only voting for one of CW/BBT and I believe the one who is not eliminated should be vigged. If that fails Dunn is tomorrow's kill as a backup. We are 8v1 here I believe, BBT/CW have both confidently scumread each other at various points, both can't be scum, but should be more than comfortable with this approach unless they have entirely revoked their read on the other, which I would regard as suspicious if they are trying to push Dunn together.

yes you've figured it out. we're mafia together and we're fucking around

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so suspicious for 2 people to stop pushing eachother

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VOTE: dunn

a) I suck ass at reading kenny. I cannot distinguish town kenny from scum kenny. his reads were in retrospect somewhat soft.
b) shoshin/loft were doing weird ass distancing that looked genuine. it makes sense
c) I really dont doc read anyone here. I have a VT read on everyone except Enchant and Eira. Backup and bulletproof both act as protectives too, so adding a 3rd is ??

d) BBT's last string of posts made me feel a lot better about the slot and also reminded myself that BBT likes to gut OMGUS people generally

To be honest this just feels like a complete copout after some of us softened our scumreads on you yesterday given your posting. As Irrelephant mentioned further up the thread, it would be possible for you to attempt to manipulate the gamestate in this way to suit your own ends.

"could be" is not a substitute for "likely" or "realistically"

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again i must bring up that the duality of me being both the worst and the best scumplayer is being applied to me when people make up these batshit theories about how I'm playing the game.

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I should start compiling when people try to desperately keep scumreads on me by making up insane theories and saying "this COULD BE TRUE SO IT MEANS KOBA STILL SCUM". its a really stale joke at this point and I'm tired of seeing people use that logic when time and time again it doesn't work and I just flip green.

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"this is a copout" no its called reevaulation, something I can actually do.

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malcom forgive me for not believing you when you have consistently taken the worst faith conclusion possible from anything I say, so frankly, once my alignment is confirmed, whether it be now or in post game, do not ever try to make these kinds of theories at me, or at other players. look for townreads, not scumreads. you'll find more success.

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i've been playing by sorting by PoE via level of towniness. Thats why lowell was at the bottom most of the game. Lowell towntold (to me) after being threatened with a 2nd vote, and now we're here.

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I believe in the fact I'm the most findable player right now and it is lack of effort or want to find me town that is preventing people from doing so. If anyone bothered examining me by thought process it would be obvious. I can't mimic this thought process by this point in the game. No one can. This is a fact of mafia. You can mask it, you can't fake it.

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I take it personally when I try my heart out and have shown proof and get the axe over people who haven't

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wild.

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I think you know I'm town and you're just trying to teach me a lesson but w/e lmfao

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Yes mafia can literally make any post possible. It is impossible to make posts that only come from town players in the context of a game. you're so right, sorry. I have been playing mafia wrong the whole time the past year

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You were wrongly eliminated bc you didnt give a shit to rebut the bad arguments.

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Oh wait you're talking about a win./

you literally lost to being wrongly eliminated as PR so i dont really think you understand the mindset of me right now and have the ability to find me town unless you try to actually think of how I think.

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when I believe that there is extensive proof that I am town it does feel like there is a bias yeah

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not anti town but thanks for playing

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im willing to vote dunn and win the game without malcom's vote

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who wants in

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I need to sleep for 8 and I'll be in work for the other 8.

Fuck.

I claim Vig

now I want to reexamine Eira.

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funny cuz i already had the iso open

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UNVOTE: Loftwing

Loftwing has offered us nothing. they've been.... openly non-committal. Seeing as it's at -1 im unvoting to give Loft time, some1 might go on and hammer anyway at this point and i don't see the value in that. at least.... try.



but in a twisted way loftwing can still flip town so idk..... will i vote there again? lowell wagon... no. fred? i can totally see scum fred, but the fact that they thoroughly asked me to share my viewpoint then shifted to mala is.... something which makes me wary of mobbing fred 2day.

So loftwing idk i mean i guess my vote can shift back to u at this point, i'm not having options atm. but i wann at least give you time... if u do nothing impressive in the interim well meh.

*sigh*

I mean.... my gutfeel is lowell is town. In the end? Either fred or kenny? Shoshin/mala feel green. At this point I feel good abt toffee and toffee feels good about lowell so meh I guess ill VOTE: Fredrick


Do I feel good abt that vote? No. Do I see the need for wagons beside mine and lowells if yall rightly decide to give loft the benefit of the doubt? Yes.


Lowell felt very scummy 2 me at start but now im thinking thats ther abrasive nature, from feels alone I cant vote there. Fred gave me some slack, then shifted to mala to lowell to loft. But freds natures is wavey as toffee rightly notes so idk.... right now I trust toffees judgement way more than cw's.


Meh. Meow. Maaaah.

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Not gonna lie, probably shooting Irrelephant

please don't. thats a legacy townread.

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I thought eira hard softed a PR on d1 when I was pushing them so thats why i hopped off.

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btw
so they can hop into the PoE in BBT's place.

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also i missed a step in why I started to open up Eira's ISO but I opened up Dunn's ISO and their indiifference to dying was .. hmmmmm so yeah.

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BBT do you mind if i can choose the shot if im dying today

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I think that ignoring Irrelephant's d1 is very perilous

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Dearest Eiralox,

I hope this vote finda you in good health
and in a prosperous position to put wealth
into the pockets of people like me, down on their luck
you see, your readlist is not something to fuck.

I can understand nullreading everyone around you, to keep your options cleared and your paths open. However, it feels rather contradictory when you state that CW and CSF, two users whom's initialisms start with C, are both indistinguishably equal. Please answer the the following charge that I am putting against you now:

You say that CW is null to you, however in your own posts, you say that they feel worse and worse to you as well. How can you read them as being the same as Kenny, a user whom you have greenlit while also keeping them inside the nightmarishly thin grouping of null? This is a charge of nonsensical behaviour, and should this remain unresolved, the punishment shall be death.

Yours Truly,

Daker, Loftwing.

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hey irrelephant im sure now you know how i feel with a vig shot sitting behind you btw lmao

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eira still clear

lowell still towny

dunn ??

bbt vig

irrel towny

im starting to run out of places to look lmfao

bc in my experience when there is a solid scum lock, it should feel *right*

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Well I did from 1 game of them flaking tf out lmaooo

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[Dunn, Lowell, Malcom]

if i had to give 3 names, since we have 3 kills.

in that order

I did a solid reread.

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3 kills if we were to kill me as well*

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Subject: Mini Normal 1839 - Mafia PT

fuck me. i hate being scum.

did some deeper meta research into more than just lowell towngames lol

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the thing I'm struggling with from my own point of view is that for shoshin to perform this way I feel they needed to be coached at least somewhat.

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I thought cw was the most likely vig, followed by Malcolm.

I think you’ll find I’ve led the insanity today, BBT, not followed it. If you’re going to scumread me do it for the right reasons

i would have never shot loftwing or mala LOL

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- Narrative-ization: when I perceive that someone is inserting a narrative to someone else's words & actions that I don't think is there

- Voting for town: especially more than once

- Unreasonableness: Being less willing to hear me out than I would normally expect a person to be

- AtE: especially to do anything other than defend oneself

irrelephant im confused why you weren't hard shoving me, I am doing my due dilligence and saw you post in a thread named "what do you deem scummy" and thought I might research rq , because i actually hadn't meta dived you. can you just explain, rq. bc I am trying to find out *how* shoshin was able to post how they did most of d1.

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being the consensus elimination and being able to sentence anyone to PoE feels like an amazing power tbh ngl

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I feel powerful

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Subject: Micro 876: Chain of Command [Ended]

I hate playing scum. In the future I don't think I'm going to play the scum games out. Expect replacements.

oh in case anyone doubts the fact that shoshin hard broke meta this game lmfao i am looking thru an old game for research...

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Irrelephant u have a better scumgame than I expected, interesting.

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*she

I don't know how anyone without meta experience has a strong read on Shoshin. I wouldn't even say my own read is "strong" at this point.

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I can rest at peace. I have stuff to do, I give you my full blessing on the Irrelephant shot, I think that it "clicked" when I had to consider "Shoshin has to be coached".

Irrelephant's vote on Loftwing came after a pretty strong meta case very quickly.

I want to read more but Malcom pointed it out too that a lot of unprompted defense of Shoshin early on. But later on Shoshin wasnt in the top tier of his reads. This is incongruent with the fact that irrelephant now has corroborated how polarized Shoshin's meta is.

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She replaced out bc of a ban ? lol

but thats NAI, I don't think ignorance has to be only from town on that front.

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I'll go first then

FancyPants
BBT, Frederick, Malcolm
Shoshin, Malakittens, Lowell, Eiralox
Confidently Wrong, Cat Scratch Fever --- null
Loftwing
kenny

Hmmm I have too many townreads probably

for someone who has as polarized of a meta like shoshin this is

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Irrelephant, my problem right now is, the rest of the people here:

Kenny(now dunn)
Lowell
Malcom


that could reasonably be mafia, all have 1 thing in common. They are either inexperienced/do not like playing scum which in turn causes them to display that in their scum skill level.

The last scum demands someone who is skilled. Sure, I fit the bill, but I'm already dying. I know I will flip town, and the game continues.


We are left with 1 option. You.

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I say reasonably, by which I mean if you look at them in a vacuum you could call them scum.

But I looked at Lowell town games and Lowell scum games. Lowell is a follower as scum, Lowell is a leader as town. Lowell did leading this game.

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that being said if after flipping me and irrelephant the game still keeps going, good fucking luck that aint my problem LMFAO

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no, free me

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Eira u townread dunn so hard i see

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misread me harder pls

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my haters losing today

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I accepted death and bounced back i am too powerful for this world

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okm les go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCuubIKo7Ag

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gg maf team was bbt enchant and me.and its multiball

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tha money got different cuz i dont gotta spend it

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I lived up to my name lets go

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I really need to see that scum PT lol i wonder if loft did the coaching

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Sorry lowell for the massive tinfoil, i tend to have a bar to overcome to find people town and well only d3 it was reached for my pov
I go hard in reeval ftr

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Yeah i mindmelded with u bc i did the same thing but then ppl bullied me out of it.

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Wait lmao malcom didn't check me? After pushing me like that? Jfc.

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Checks if you are capable of communicating. Solo scum cant be caught with it iirc

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What were mafia informed of?

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Also sorry for the way I hard defended myself. I pulled as many stops as I thought were reasonable without personal attacks and tried to purely bury bad arguments against me so I could survive as i am 100% serious that I believe in preventing any and all mislims i can.