LOST (Game Over)

[Best Bird]

[Bellaphant]

I feel like I just explained? Can you ask me a clearer question? No shade but I literally just talked through my thought process.

[Mislim Bait]

@rad, fair. I basically summarised Malcolm's post as 'rad has occasionally backed off from confrontation ', which I do see. I also think that town do make these weird stories, because I do think it is what professor drapion is doing to me - it kind of doesn't matter what I respond, they've decided a thing and their narrative is stronger.

if you could summarized that whole wall post in 1 sentence why are 'surprised' that it's a bad take?

are you going to vote for your scumread or what

actually yes
VOTE: Malcolm
I wasn't done isoing them so there might be more where it came from.
I'm also slightly worried for town that I had to point this one out for people to notice and make a new wagon.
iirc bbt/math were like the only wagons this whole day.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean math could be scum too

i'm just bored atp

[Mislim Bait]

I feel like I just explained? Can you ask me a clearer question? No shade but I literally just talked through my thought process.

I feel like yoy agree that there's not much content in that novel but you don't think its bad.

[Bellaphant]

....that's less clear! Like I'm five, please

[Mislim Bait]

....that's less clear! Like I'm five, please

oh f
okay why does little bella think its bad?

[Bell]

Malcolm's pretty focused on a single take at a time. There's less substance an more size to it, like they're ballooning up a post.
Their reasoning is pseudo reasoning because it takes shape in the form of what would be interesting rather than what is likely.

[Bell]

They don't have very sharp-or wide - elbows and that's probably to avoid getting scum read.

[Bell]

Guess what I just did!
That's right I just made up a case I didn't believe one iota of because believing is for suckers.

[Mislim Bait]

I reckon Luke and Rad is probably TvT. I don't agree with Rad on the read but they are making a genuine effort to solve early on even if their conclusions aren't necessarily correct. Attempts to drive the game forward earn townpoints from me and Luke doesn't strike me as the type of player to go after if you're scum wanting to appear busy.

I'm not convinced Frogster is town though, potential scum slot.

another post from malcolm early on that I don't like
this is in response to rad's case on luke 340 which is a reasonable case early on.
he didn't have any luke reads before this yet he called them TvT just because luke is pushing the game forward and he even called rad's conclusions 'not necessarily correct'.
I assume luke was a high poster during this time which makes for an easy town read to get away with.

[Lukewarm]

I much prefer a math elim >.<

Would also prefer enchant or c and g

[Mislim Bait]

Guess what I just did!
That's right I just made up a case I didn't believe one iota of because believing is for suckers.

are you voting malcolm yet

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Luke panicking as Malcolm's Mystery Novel outsells him

[Lukewarm]

I reckon Luke and Rad is probably TvT. I don't agree with Rad on the read but they are making a genuine effort to solve early on even if their conclusions aren't necessarily correct. Attempts to drive the game forward earn townpoints from me and Luke doesn't strike me as the type of player to go after if you're scum wanting to appear busy.

I'm not convinced Frogster is town though, potential scum slot.

another post from malcolm early on that I don't like
this is in response to rad's case on luke 340 which is a reasonable case early on.
he didn't have any luke reads before this yet he called them TvT just because luke is pushing the game forward and he even called rad's conclusions 'not necessarily correct'.
I assume luke was a high poster during this time which makes for an easy town read to get away with.

You misread that post.

He was calling Rad town with that "pushing the game forward line."

[Bellaphant]

I thought your take was bad because 1) I didn't really see what you were seeing because I agreed with Malcolm's overall point and 2) it didn't connect with me the way it did when rad responded . When rad explained I could see more the 'mustache twirling villain' thing..

P-edit that's about rad choosing not to go after Luke, right?

[Mislim Bait]

I reckon Luke and Rad is probably TvT. I don't agree with Rad on the read but they are making a genuine effort to solve early on even if their conclusions aren't necessarily correct. Attempts to drive the game forward earn townpoints from me and Luke doesn't strike me as the type of player to go after if you're scum wanting to appear busy.

I'm not convinced Frogster is town though, potential scum slot.

another post from malcolm early on that I don't like
this is in response to rad's case on luke 340 which is a reasonable case early on.
he didn't have any luke reads before this yet he called them TvT just because luke is pushing the game forward and he even called rad's conclusions 'not necessarily correct'.
I assume luke was a high poster during this time which makes for an easy town read to get away with.

You misread that post.

He was calling Rad town with that "pushing the game forward line."

okay then I'm not sure what made malcom TR luke enough to debunk that whole case easily because they never talked about luke before that post.

[Rad]

@Mislim Bait - Malcolm and Luke are in a neighborhood together, so keep that in mind when considering their reads on each other

[Lukewarm]

I reckon Luke and Rad is probably TvT. I don't agree with Rad on the read but they are making a genuine effort to solve early on even if their conclusions aren't necessarily correct. Attempts to drive the game forward earn townpoints from me and Luke doesn't strike me as the type of player to go after if you're scum wanting to appear busy.

I'm not convinced Frogster is town though, potential scum slot.

another post from malcolm early on that I don't like
this is in response to rad's case on luke 340 which is a reasonable case early on.
he didn't have any luke reads before this yet he called them TvT just because luke is pushing the game forward and he even called rad's conclusions 'not necessarily correct'.
I assume luke was a high poster during this time which makes for an easy town read to get away with.

You misread that post.

He was calling Rad town with that "pushing the game forward line."

I actually quite like that malcomn post the more that I think about it.

He is saying he is not swayed by Rad's case on me, but town reads Rad for making it.

Because that looks like genuine effort to solve, and is out pushing a scum read when a lot of other people were still not doing much, or to push the game out of RVS.

And also does not think that scum!Rad picks a me as the person to push, if he just feels like he needs to find someone to push.

That all seems like solid enough reasons to town read Rad at that point in the game.

[Mislim Bait]

@Mislim Bait - Malcolm and Luke are in a neighborhood together, so keep that in mind when considering their reads on each other

oh
well then luke what did you say in the chat

[Lukewarm]

So I went ahead and read through Luke's ISO so far...

luke's 85 is referring to Off the Hook (marci version I think... yeah confirmed in 166). I think this town read is a super easy thing for scum!Luke to say to town!OTH, but also a reasonably easy thing for scum!Luke to say to scum!OTH. Does town!Luke really have this much confidence in a town read that soon based on meta alone?

luke town reads Mala in 78/166 from Mala's 2 opening posts. 2. opening. posts. I was thinking about Mala's potential power claim - being able to talk to the dead? Intitially sounds like a townie type power, but what if it's a scum power? That would be really powerful as well, being able to talk to the dead and make up dead town reads as they see fit. Plus I think you'd be more likely to just let that one slip early as scum to try to look like a town claim, cause if you're town and you just gave away a huge power like that, you're not even going to get a chance to use it as you're most likely going to be the first NK. So I'm not sure where this town read is coming from beyond potentially reading that power as a town power and not thinking it through?

Beyond that, for the most part, Luke's posts are just about the game's flavor, some past game banter, some non-AI style conversations about game rules or theory.

I'm not saying Luke's just trying to look useful without saying much... but... yeah that's the impression I just got from reading the ISO so far. I mean I was expecting to go into it and get some decent content out of it, but it was really thin on anything useful. I know it's early game so everyone's been spamming a bunch of useless bs, but Luke's ISO reads like it's serious from the start, and all I really got out of it was 2 bad town reads and a lot of nothing.

Hey

@Frogster

take a quick glance at Luke's ISO and tell me if you see the same lack of content. I ask you specifically because of your 270 which makes me believe you've got an eye for that sort of thing.

I actually find it strange that Mislim Bait is defending this case as being too good to dismiss, while also calling out malcolm for being over explainy for simple reads.

Like. This entire case was:

Luke town read OTH based on Meta (and Rad did not like that). Luke town read Mala based off of her early claim (and rad did not like that). And Luke has a serious tone, but appears to be talking about non-game related stuff a lot.

I actually hated that case against me when it happened.

Mislim, do you really think that people should have read this post, and should it should have definitely swayed peoples read on me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Luke is it hard to see the light from inside Malcolm's pocket? asking for a friend

[Lukewarm]

Hood report:

Its with Malcolm.

That is a big reason behind me feeling so strongly about his alignment with 474. Him not remembering the scum game that he lost because he messed up because of posting in both a scum PT and a neighborhood, in a game where I already knew that he was in a hood felt really ++ town.

There has not been a lot of interest happening in our hood tbh. We are still on page 3 lol.

Spoiler: play by play

-Bit of small talk
-Me explaining my page 1 Mala town read.
-Him agreeing generally, but saying Mala might to it so not sold on it.
-Brief convo about an early scum ping I had on pooky - him asking questions about pooky as a player.
-Him calling out the early Ceph wagon as weird, me agreeing
-Me starting to scum read Rad early day 1
- Him telling me that he is town reading Rad.
-Us both saying that Frog is sus.
- Convo about C/G's Posting restriction, and if we believe it
- Me guessing that there is a Jin/Sun hood.

We start taking turns complaining about how many posts there are.

-He tells me he now thinks that Frog is really likely to be town.
- I say my scum read softened, but I am still leaning scum .

(In the main thread, Malcolm starts getting votes)
-I ask him his thoughts on claiming to be my neighbor.
-He says that if I want to claim, he does not have an issue with it, but does not see why we would.

-I talk about my case on Dunn re:the masons claim
-He says he thinks that Dunn is town despite my case

More of us complaining about the number of pages.

{day end}

I make a case for scum frog.

I get radio silence for long enough that I start wondering if I was wrong, and he is scum, and he is killing me, so he is not trying to post anymore. (Like most of the night phase tbh)

He finally comes back, and tells me that it was a good case, and that he would look back over frog

My thoughts: Lean Town
474 thoughts still feel right to me.
I liked his frogster progression, especially given the flip there.
I liked him not jumping at the prospect for me to claim our hood, and further explain why I town read him while under pressure.

I bolded the stuff that came before that post.

[Lukewarm]

@Mislim Bait - Malcolm and Luke are in a neighborhood together, so keep that in mind when considering their reads on each other

oh
well then luke what did you say in the chat

That was to answer this question

[Mislim Bait]

I reckon Luke and Rad is probably TvT. I don't agree with Rad on the read but they are making a genuine effort to solve early on even if their conclusions aren't necessarily correct. Attempts to drive the game forward earn townpoints from me and Luke doesn't strike me as the type of player to go after if you're scum wanting to appear busy.

I'm not convinced Frogster is town though, potential scum slot.

another post from malcolm early on that I don't like
this is in response to rad's case on luke 340 which is a reasonable case early on.
he didn't have any luke reads before this yet he called them TvT just because luke is pushing the game forward and he even called rad's conclusions 'not necessarily correct'.
I assume luke was a high poster during this time which makes for an easy town read to get away with.

You misread that post.

He was calling Rad town with that "pushing the game forward line."

I actually quite like that malcomn post the more that I think about it.

He is saying he is not swayed by Rad's case on me, but town reads Rad for making it.

Because that looks like genuine effort to solve, and is out pushing a scum read when a lot of other people were still not doing much, or to push the game out of RVS.

And also does not think that scum!Rad picks a me as the person to push, if he just feels like he needs to find someone to push.

That all seems like solid enough reasons to town read Rad at that point in the game.

I'm not arguing about his rad read its more about his read on you.
if rad's case is like a gem in the sea of rvs like you said then it's a pretty easy read.