Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

[BlueBloodedToffee]

But you seemed certain with Dunnstral and even town binned Lucian so what's up with that?

[froggodoggo]

I honestly could not tell you. I'm just inconsistent like that. I probably shouldn't have said that I don't like to give TRs early on, I do this a lot as either alignment where I set up expectations for my play, break those expectations, and then get SR'd for it. Sorry

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Really interested in hearing other people's responses to this.

[Aisa]

Part of my problem with this game is that I have at least a townlean on like 5 out of 6 of the highest posters in game so far
froggo - furtive - CSF - Gamma - Klick
and it would just be too convenient if they were all town? But I haven't really found a satisfactory way to resolve this / decided who I wanna demote. It's true that 5/6 is not a terrible raw ratio - it's completely consistent with 8-9 townies out of 11 - it just feels too convenient that town would have such a disproportionate presence in thread right now.

I should also say that I have no clue how one would find an SK so every time I say "town" it should be interpreted as "town or SK".

Also I really disagree with the CSF wagon. The fact it built so quickly made me go and look for mafia on the wagon, but it's hard to know what to do. Infinity, froggo and Klick just quickvoted after one another. Maybe I'll take back my froggo townread idk

I fail to see why scum wouldn’t all be lower contribution. Positing scum have to have someone higher-activity is gambler’s fallacy.

That is true. I don't have confidence in not being wrong on some high-activity player, but scum could well all be lower contribution. Do you think that's what's going on?

UNVOTE: Lucian

[Lucian]

BBT, can you clarify why 495 and 496 make froggo scummy? I'm not following what you're saying there.

What would you say your 3 most confident non-froggo reads are right now? Either Town or scum.

[Aisa]

Really interested in hearing other people's responses to this.

Inconsistency doesn't really bother me per se and I don't think froggo's early progression on Klick looks particularly scummy.

[Aisa]

And for the record, I have considered the baseline for Enchant's play. He's under it.

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Hmm. Maybe you have a point. Would you mind telling me a bit more?

[furtiveglance]

I'm not sure why BBT is declining to share his thoughts about the Enchant/CSF wagons - the most likely eliminations. It's partly why I'm scumreading him, but also his interactions with froggo look like scum grilling town to me.

[furtiveglance]

I see BBT paired with CSF not Enchant - that would explain why BBT's vote for Enchant was unexplained.

[froggodoggo]

but also his interactions with froggo look like scum grilling town to me.

any way you can explain this further? might help myself and others see what you see

[froggodoggo]

Deadline is in 3 days. I've seen people give 24 hours for CCs to a claim (although CCs don't seem particularly useful in this setup considering multiples of the same roles are very possible).

So when do we bite the bullet and put someone to E-1? We're only getting closer and closer. I don't have any super confident SRs rn so if people can start making clear and concise cases on who they think is the best choice that would be lovely

[furtiveglance]

but also his interactions with froggo look like scum grilling town to me.

any way you can explain this further? might help myself and others see what you see

Yeah. You gave ground and said sorry, which goes further than scum usually do.

As for BBT, they didn't sound that authentic in their reasoning and even after talking to you, they didn't finish with an update of their current thoughts, just opened it up to the floor, which doesn't convince me at all and looks like scummy indifference rather than towny zeal. First thing I noticed is that they're not even voting you.

[furtiveglance]

Deadline is in 3 days. I've seen people give 24 hours for CCs to a claim (although CCs don't seem particularly useful in this setup considering multiples of the same roles are very possible).

So when do we bite the bullet and put someone to E-1? We're only getting closer and closer. I don't have any super confident SRs rn so if people can start making clear and concise cases on who they think is the best choice that would be lovely

Conftown is on Enchant so probably the bookies' favourite (yes I'm British), my preferred choice is CSF (or even BBT).

[froggodoggo]

but also his interactions with froggo look like scum grilling town to me.

any way you can explain this further? might help myself and others see what you see

Yeah. You gave ground and said sorry, which goes further than scum usually do.

As for BBT, they didn't sound that authentic in their reasoning and even after talking to you, they didn't finish with an update of their current thoughts, just opened it up to the floor, which doesn't convince me at all and looks like scummy indifference rather than towny zeal. First thing I noticed is that they're not even voting you.

Yeah I guess it is pretty fence-sitty. I wonder if I'm the first person to ever use that as an adjective

[Lucian]

And for the record, I have considered the baseline for Enchant's play. He's under it.

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Hmm. Maybe you have a point. Would you mind telling me a bit more?

I can't, it's just a feeling I have. Enchant hasn't done anything explicitly scummy for me to point at. It's just that I feel like he'd be capable of storing more enthusiasm as Town.

[furtiveglance]

Deadline is in 3 days. I've seen people give 24 hours for CCs to a claim (although CCs don't seem particularly useful in this setup considering multiples of the same roles are very possible).

So when do we bite the bullet and put someone to E-1? We're only getting closer and closer. I don't have any super confident SRs rn so if people can start making clear and concise cases on who they think is the best choice that would be lovely

Oh I forgot to say, I'm not going to give PR claims the usual respect in this setup, because I would definitely pick a random role as scum.

[froggodoggo]

Deadline is in 3 days. I've seen people give 24 hours for CCs to a claim (although CCs don't seem particularly useful in this setup considering multiples of the same roles are very possible).

So when do we bite the bullet and put someone to E-1? We're only getting closer and closer. I don't have any super confident SRs rn so if people can start making clear and concise cases on who they think is the best choice that would be lovely

Conftown is on Enchant so probably the bookies' favourite (yes I'm British), my preferred choice is CSF (or even BBT).

I thought you were considering getting off CSF?

[froggodoggo]

I'm not going to give PR claims the usual respect in this setup

Fair but I don't think we should disregard them entirely. But we can discuss that when it happens. Mechanics and such.

[Lucian]

Three days goes by quick when a few players are inactive or barely active. I'd prefer we start voting people up to claim soon. My first choice is still Enchant, but there are a few slots I would be willing to compromise on.

[froggodoggo]

Care to name the slots Lucian?

[Lucian]

Care to name the slots Lucian?

Right now it's Klick, BBT, Malakittens, maybe CSF and Infinity. Some of my reads I need to re-evaluate, but I haven't found the time yet.

[froggodoggo]

Iiiiiiiiiinteresting...

[froggodoggo]

I nominate BBT to be pressured. I think they have gotten away doing not a whole lot this game and I wanna make em play.

But I am not everyone so yall do ur own thing

[Alianna]

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[Alianna]

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