LOST (Game Over)

[T-Bone]

I still want to flip DNA for that fake looking post restriction but the Math scum flip gives me pause there.

[T-Bone]

But I probably need to flip my reads upside down now? I don't know. Goodnight.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

where did he melt down at you

eh. looking back, it was less then I remembered. I remembered him freaking out at my push, claiming to try to get me to stop, and then trying to guilt me for being so heartless as to push him soon after his rep in and not stopping when he claimed.

Looking back at it, it actually looks more like manipulation then actually freaking out. So :shrug:

Spoiler: Me pushing math when he repped in

VOTE: mathblade

Anyways, we are not killing Johnny today.

Help me kill Mathblade.

I feel like Math's push onto Bell comes from him feeling the need to have somewhere to try to turn the discussion away from himself because I called him scum.

Instead of him actually thinking Bell is scum right now.

Frogster, is there a reason that you are purposefully avoiding a Corwin/Math vote?

I seem to remember you having them in your scum reads for a while, but since I have suggested them as a player to be wagoned to day you have voted Bella->Ceph->Johnny->Me (lol)->Dancing Puppets

Reasons I think that Corwin was scum:

Johnny, you had an earlier town read on Luke, do you still feel that way and why?

Yeah, they haven't done anything to disturb that halo on their head. You think I missed something?

Not necessarily. My notes are "Dislike Frog and Luke, feels like ~350ish is s/s [\n] JF TR Luke?" so I've just been meaning to ask about it. Something wasn't rubbing right around then, but I suspect a lot of you have a better feel for him as a player than I do.

The copy paste off of the notes.

The notes look non-useful. But also, they literally never responded to the comments about their notes. They said nothing, but also never mention anything off of their notes again.

I actually think that if they had defended their notes usage I would have felt better about this. But the non-response just felt like them hoping it would go away.

---

Only person listed in his lowest tier for scum in 1442 was Mala. But then also seemed annoyed that he was being scum read for lurking.

Both of those are...

fine

on their own, but taken together rub me the wrong way. Like, how can you not be understanding of those scum reads, if you think that the scummiest person in the game is someone that the only words you put towards why you scum read them was

mala who's been both low activity and low content when she is posting.

---

A thought that started unrelated to Corwin was thinking about the way that the scum team is apparently treating me. When pooky posted the reads list, and I apparently had 19 town reads and 0 scum reads, I realized that that meant that at some point the entire scum team decided that it was not worth it to fight the growing consensus that I am town.

Obviously, the scum team would not have thought that out the gate. Early on there were a couple of people saying that they are hesitant to town read me in general (pooky, Bella) and some people outright scum reading me (Galron, Rad, Frog).

So the scum team should have thought that there would be possible support against me at some point (unless the scum team is exactly Pooky, Bella, Galron, Rad, Frog lmao), but then at some point this game decided to abandon hope of keeping me from becoming truly consensus.

And when I read through Corwin's iso last night, I felt like I saw that when I looked at his progression on me.

I started to gather up town reads, and he started trying to poke into them with 1107/1114. Floating me as one of his only two voiced scum reads, floating me as a partner to a fairly widely scum read player, and trying to talk Johnny out of town reading me.

But then he was met with strong backlash about his comment about his notes.

And that discussion was completely and totally dropped.

The next time I show up in his iso, almost all of the other reads lists have come out showing how consensus town read I am, and then I am not a scum read in his Reads list of 1442. No comment on anything I did making him think that I was town, no interaction with me, nothing.

And when it was brought up that I was not on there, here was his response.

Aren't you the one who had me and frogster as S+S in your notes? What changed?

That was me. I'm feeling Frog even less; you've just kinda dropped off my radar right now.

He scum reads frog even harder then before, but he just stopped thinking about me.

Which did not jive for me with the fact that his earlier working theory was that we specifically looked partnered. Because if he thinks two players look partnered, and then thinks that one of them is getting even more scummy, I just don't feel like you forget about that other player. If anything, he should have been looking at me even more??

I plan to use my platform as Confirmed Town to start a new wagon tonight. Buy like, 5 hours from now.

Stay tuned

The time has arrived for me to take my place as town leader, and lead this town to a scum elimination.

If everyone can kindly vote Mathblade in their next post. Much appreciated.

[spoi/ler=]I'm only approximately 24 hours late lol[/spoi/ler]

I need sleep.

I would love to wake up to a pretty mathblade wagon.

Good night!

Spoiler: Math claiming to try to stop me, and telling me how unfun I am making the game for him

Math claiming specifically to get me to back off

I’m Sun. You can figure it out from there. If you can’t I’ll consult with my inner voice to me more explicit.

I’d appreciate it if you backed off. It’s way too late at night for me to do a proper defense but I think y’all are capable of reading between the lines.

Math getting upset that I do not appear to be backing off, and trying to guilt me off

Can you like back off please if you’re town?

It’s hard enough trying to read everything and relay the hood properly and catch up.

If you think I am scum push me tomorrow or the next day

It’s really destructive and unfun to push me right now.

I was really hoping you’d see what I was saying if you’re town and why I scumread you.

I should not have had to claim here.

Math worried that if I don't back off he is just gonna die.

Because you’re the main focus

I can’t hyperpost like I used to and have work in the AM.

There is a high likelihood you just spam the thread then I die and Jin can’t talk.

So I brought it up with DNA and asked.

ok buddy look at mathblade posting at you

and compare it to what he posted at me:

Spoiler: mathblade -> pooky

Math, I doubt you continuing to engage with pooky on your own alignment will be good for anyone, and just keep flooding the thread.

That’s why I said I am catching up

I have never been / recall a single d1 Pooky elim in my decade plus on site

And in those games when I have pushed him town or scum it’s easy because someone always vetoes

Now I am going to do that

This site bleeds players because it’s popularity versus discussion

Why aren’t you voting Pooky if Pooky is scum MB?
Are you voting them and I just missed it?

Because I think that Pooky is a scum lean.

I think Frogger elim and flip explains D1.

I also think no one elims Pooky ever even if he was to be mod confirmed scum D1

I’m not liming my strong tr. And again, this is whack.

Run statistics

Find how many games Pooky is elimmed D1 as any alignment.

Bet it’s damn near close to 0.

Hell people even say (paraphrased) “I don’t wanna elim Pooky he’s too good when he’s town”

I never ever try to convince anyone Pooky is scum

It’s better to let time sort him by who he pushes than argue against site wise popularity bias

Some players just are not pushable D1 and it’s toxic AF

you could hunt for scum and make a case for someone being scum?

complaining about me being never elimmed is um.. not useful for anything?

I did that yesterday

And today

And tried to form a townblock

But you just spam “but math is scum”

So I have to spend 10000 posts arguing I am town against “Corwin is aggro”
Then moving the damn goal posts

Versus building a town block which is remarkably protown

Or ignore him?

Like, yes. Pooky was calling you scum.

But there was also multiple slots defending you. Off the top of my head, Me, Both heads of Dancing Puppets, OTH all made posts about stopping your wagon.

The thread did not need 10000 posts from you arguing with Pooky.

It does

Pooky says someone is scum

That’s it

They’re the elim

I want to talk my reads and catch up

But instead there’s this flash wagon on absolute bullshit.

Where no one talks a single read I have

You wree trying to convince me that one of my strongest trs is scum based off of “popularity” and not because he’s actually done anything scummy.

I am unpopular

Pooky is popular

Therefore I die

Hence why I never want to be voted as any alignment

Once I get voted I am almost always elimmed

also anything you say about popularity literally has nothing to do with my alignment so it's weird that this is the tack you're going with :/

My point is that if I was scum I do attack you because you’re never elimmed

As scum it’s hella easy to fake reads

And I keep posting because I keep getting asked questions

Like strongly pushing anyone is so easy to do for cred.

I am very very good at generating towncred as scum because it’s so easy

The only problem comes in when you piss people off

I pissed people off for asking you talk to each other

I called I would be wagoned

I was right

I can’t defend myself because defense never works

So gg no re

If I push it’s always bad faith

There is literally nothing I can do that is protown

I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?

P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.

Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?

I don’t follow. Wouldn’t yellow to green without interaction be a pocket?

How do you figure that?

“Hey look you were null now you’re town can we be friends?” (Fake puppy dog eyes)

You’re not going to get me to change my read on Pooky and this is lame.

Not my goal. I know no one ever elims Pooky D1

So either A) Pooky reboots or B) Pooky is scum

By that point I know and the game will know

Fighting people on a popularity contest is dumb

Certain people no matter how much I scumread them will never be elimmed D1

I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?

P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.

Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?

I don’t follow. Wouldn’t yellow to green without interaction be a pocket?

How do you figure that?

“Hey look you were null now you’re town can we be friends?” (Fake puppy dog eyes)

You’re not going to get me to change my read on Pooky and this is lame.

Not my goal. I know no one ever elims Pooky D1

So either A) Pooky reboots or B) Pooky is scum

By that point I know and the game will know

Fighting people on a popularity contest is dumb

Certain people no matter how much I scumread them will never be elimmed D1

[Lukewarm]

where did he melt down at you

eh. looking back, it was less then I remembered. I remembered him freaking out at my push, claiming to try to get me to stop, and then trying to guilt me for being so heartless as to push him soon after his rep in and not stopping when he claimed.

Looking back at it, it actually looks more like manipulation then actually freaking out. So :shrug:

Spoiler: Me pushing math when he repped in

VOTE: mathblade

Anyways, we are not killing Johnny today.

Help me kill Mathblade.

I feel like Math's push onto Bell comes from him feeling the need to have somewhere to try to turn the discussion away from himself because I called him scum.

Instead of him actually thinking Bell is scum right now.

Frogster, is there a reason that you are purposefully avoiding a Corwin/Math vote?

I seem to remember you having them in your scum reads for a while, but since I have suggested them as a player to be wagoned to day you have voted Bella->Ceph->Johnny->Me (lol)->Dancing Puppets

Reasons I think that Corwin was scum:

Johnny, you had an earlier town read on Luke, do you still feel that way and why?

Yeah, they haven't done anything to disturb that halo on their head. You think I missed something?

Not necessarily. My notes are "Dislike Frog and Luke, feels like ~350ish is s/s [\n] JF TR Luke?" so I've just been meaning to ask about it. Something wasn't rubbing right around then, but I suspect a lot of you have a better feel for him as a player than I do.

The copy paste off of the notes.

The notes look non-useful. But also, they literally never responded to the comments about their notes. They said nothing, but also never mention anything off of their notes again.

I actually think that if they had defended their notes usage I would have felt better about this. But the non-response just felt like them hoping it would go away.

---

Only person listed in his lowest tier for scum in 1442 was Mala. But then also seemed annoyed that he was being scum read for lurking.

Both of those are...

fine

on their own, but taken together rub me the wrong way. Like, how can you not be understanding of those scum reads, if you think that the scummiest person in the game is someone that the only words you put towards why you scum read them was

mala who's been both low activity and low content when she is posting.

---

A thought that started unrelated to Corwin was thinking about the way that the scum team is apparently treating me. When pooky posted the reads list, and I apparently had 19 town reads and 0 scum reads, I realized that that meant that at some point the entire scum team decided that it was not worth it to fight the growing consensus that I am town.

Obviously, the scum team would not have thought that out the gate. Early on there were a couple of people saying that they are hesitant to town read me in general (pooky, Bella) and some people outright scum reading me (Galron, Rad, Frog).

So the scum team should have thought that there would be possible support against me at some point (unless the scum team is exactly Pooky, Bella, Galron, Rad, Frog lmao), but then at some point this game decided to abandon hope of keeping me from becoming truly consensus.

And when I read through Corwin's iso last night, I felt like I saw that when I looked at his progression on me.

I started to gather up town reads, and he started trying to poke into them with 1107/1114. Floating me as one of his only two voiced scum reads, floating me as a partner to a fairly widely scum read player, and trying to talk Johnny out of town reading me.

But then he was met with strong backlash about his comment about his notes.

And that discussion was completely and totally dropped.

The next time I show up in his iso, almost all of the other reads lists have come out showing how consensus town read I am, and then I am not a scum read in his Reads list of 1442. No comment on anything I did making him think that I was town, no interaction with me, nothing.

And when it was brought up that I was not on there, here was his response.

Aren't you the one who had me and frogster as S+S in your notes? What changed?

That was me. I'm feeling Frog even less; you've just kinda dropped off my radar right now.

He scum reads frog even harder then before, but he just stopped thinking about me.

Which did not jive for me with the fact that his earlier working theory was that we specifically looked partnered. Because if he thinks two players look partnered, and then thinks that one of them is getting even more scummy, I just don't feel like you forget about that other player. If anything, he should have been looking at me even more??

I plan to use my platform as Confirmed Town to start a new wagon tonight. Buy like, 5 hours from now.

Stay tuned

The time has arrived for me to take my place as town leader, and lead this town to a scum elimination.

If everyone can kindly vote Mathblade in their next post. Much appreciated.

[spoi/ler=]I'm only approximately 24 hours late lol[/spoi/ler]

I need sleep.

I would love to wake up to a pretty mathblade wagon.

Good night!

Spoiler: Math claiming to try to stop me, and telling me how unfun I am making the game for him

Math claiming specifically to get me to back off

I’m Sun. You can figure it out from there. If you can’t I’ll consult with my inner voice to me more explicit.

I’d appreciate it if you backed off. It’s way too late at night for me to do a proper defense but I think y’all are capable of reading between the lines.

Math getting upset that I do not appear to be backing off, and trying to guilt me off

Can you like back off please if you’re town?

It’s hard enough trying to read everything and relay the hood properly and catch up.

If you think I am scum push me tomorrow or the next day

It’s really destructive and unfun to push me right now.

I was really hoping you’d see what I was saying if you’re town and why I scumread you.

I should not have had to claim here.

Math worried that if I don't back off he is just gonna die.

Because you’re the main focus

I can’t hyperpost like I used to and have work in the AM.

There is a high likelihood you just spam the thread then I die and Jin can’t talk.

So I brought it up with DNA and asked.

ok buddy look at mathblade posting at you

and compare it to what he posted at me:

Spoiler: mathblade -> pooky

Math, I doubt you continuing to engage with pooky on your own alignment will be good for anyone, and just keep flooding the thread.

That’s why I said I am catching up

I have never been / recall a single d1 Pooky elim in my decade plus on site

And in those games when I have pushed him town or scum it’s easy because someone always vetoes

Now I am going to do that

This site bleeds players because it’s popularity versus discussion

Why aren’t you voting Pooky if Pooky is scum MB?
Are you voting them and I just missed it?

Because I think that Pooky is a scum lean.

I think Frogger elim and flip explains D1.

I also think no one elims Pooky ever even if he was to be mod confirmed scum D1

I’m not liming my strong tr. And again, this is whack.

Run statistics

Find how many games Pooky is elimmed D1 as any alignment.

Bet it’s damn near close to 0.

Hell people even say (paraphrased) “I don’t wanna elim Pooky he’s too good when he’s town”

I never ever try to convince anyone Pooky is scum

It’s better to let time sort him by who he pushes than argue against site wise popularity bias

Some players just are not pushable D1 and it’s toxic AF

you could hunt for scum and make a case for someone being scum?

complaining about me being never elimmed is um.. not useful for anything?

I did that yesterday

And today

And tried to form a townblock

But you just spam “but math is scum”

So I have to spend 10000 posts arguing I am town against “Corwin is aggro”
Then moving the damn goal posts

Versus building a town block which is remarkably protown

Or ignore him?

Like, yes. Pooky was calling you scum.

But there was also multiple slots defending you. Off the top of my head, Me, Both heads of Dancing Puppets, OTH all made posts about stopping your wagon.

The thread did not need 10000 posts from you arguing with Pooky.

It does

Pooky says someone is scum

That’s it

They’re the elim

I want to talk my reads and catch up

But instead there’s this flash wagon on absolute bullshit.

Where no one talks a single read I have

You wree trying to convince me that one of my strongest trs is scum based off of “popularity” and not because he’s actually done anything scummy.

I am unpopular

Pooky is popular

Therefore I die

Hence why I never want to be voted as any alignment

Once I get voted I am almost always elimmed

also anything you say about popularity literally has nothing to do with my alignment so it's weird that this is the tack you're going with :/

My point is that if I was scum I do attack you because you’re never elimmed

As scum it’s hella easy to fake reads

And I keep posting because I keep getting asked questions

Like strongly pushing anyone is so easy to do for cred.

I am very very good at generating towncred as scum because it’s so easy

The only problem comes in when you piss people off

I pissed people off for asking you talk to each other

I called I would be wagoned

I was right

I can’t defend myself because defense never works

So gg no re

If I push it’s always bad faith

There is literally nothing I can do that is protown

I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?

P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.

Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?

I don’t follow. Wouldn’t yellow to green without interaction be a pocket?

How do you figure that?

“Hey look you were null now you’re town can we be friends?” (Fake puppy dog eyes)

You’re not going to get me to change my read on Pooky and this is lame.

Not my goal. I know no one ever elims Pooky D1

So either A) Pooky reboots or B) Pooky is scum

By that point I know and the game will know

Fighting people on a popularity contest is dumb

Certain people no matter how much I scumread them will never be elimmed D1

I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?

P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.

Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?

I don’t follow. Wouldn’t yellow to green without interaction be a pocket?

How do you figure that?

“Hey look you were null now you’re town can we be friends?” (Fake puppy dog eyes)

You’re not going to get me to change my read on Pooky and this is lame.

Not my goal. I know no one ever elims Pooky D1

So either A) Pooky reboots or B) Pooky is scum

By that point I know and the game will know

Fighting people on a popularity contest is dumb

Certain people no matter how much I scumread them will never be elimmed D1

eh. looking back, it was less then I remembered.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you can just admit I have the cooler mathblade interactions

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm going back to posting cat gifs

[JohnnyFarrar]

GOOD

[ProfessorDrapion]

PD any good info you can give about whoever you invested N1? If you should keep that to yourself, fair enough, but I imagine you'll be high on the NK targets for N3 with this claim.

That can wait until after Bella checks in

CSF already answered what I would have.

[Lukewarm]

I think that this is my strongest thought. But there are a number of people I'd consider atm.

VOTE: Mislim Bait

hmmm.

Looked back at Klick, and I am conflicted on this again. From memory, it felt like it was "hard calling Math scum when math looked like he was gonna die, Day 1 so he could look good on the flip" into "oh shit, math could actually live. Abort the Bus"

Spoiler:

I didn't get much from maths' posting, which is strange because last game with them I was adamant about them being town to a very unbella-like point of intransigence.

This is probably because Corwin/MathBlade is just a scum slot and should die today

VOTE: MathBlade

I don't really think Corwin's body of work looks like scumhunting, it looks more like projecting reads into the thread to look like he's scumhunting

I don't really think Corwin's body of work looks like scumhunting, it looks more like projecting reads into the thread to look like he's scumhunting

Hi Klick! Can you point to some post(s) that make you feel this way? I have a harder time understanding other people's reads when they're in the abstract

So I suspect I'll get ire from a number of people for this, but I'll preface this post by saying that another read-through of Corwin's ISO in a different state of mind has me townreading him.

What I originally saw was more about what I couldn't see in Corwin's posts rather than what I could see, and as such it'd be difficult to demonstrate what I was seeing with quotes. I think Corwin has a type of posting style that I'm naturally likely to read as scummy, because his posts feel crafted to me. But I can see looking at his ISO now how the posts he decides to post come from town who feels like he's saying whatever is on his mind at the time.

This is a shit answer to the actual question you've asked here! But it's what I'm thinking.

But when I looked back at when 3268 was written, the math wagon had already kinda fallen to the back ground I think?

Like, it happened in a couple phases. Me pushing for Math to die in 2400s -> 2914

{Klick making 3268 and 3302}

Then Pooky picked the cause back up in 3304


It is actually kind of a weird time for him to do that tbh.

---

Glad we just get to deal with the invest result today instead of actually having to solve it lmao

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

klick is town dude

[Rad]

I agree with Klick / Mislim Bait probably being town.

[Lukewarm]

It felt like mislim Bait was pushing hard to get the malcolm counter wagon to be a thing.

But, looking back at klick I feel it less.

So, sure.

[Dancing Puppets]

Bell has died!

Bell was...

Spoiler:

town

[/spoiler]

Day 3 begins and ends in (expired on 2022-08-05 20:52:15)
[/b]

[Dancing Puppets]

Tbh C&G is prob town.

Math was probably a modified pr with a neighbor such as a RB’r or something like that.

I lowkey need to see how this wagon went down and I know marh was on the block d1

I wish cephrir went with his gut bc that would have helped miles

+1

Since Corwin was pushing you, it means my read on you was probably wrong and probably BBT as well.

[Enchant]

Dancing is mafia.

[Dancing Puppets]

Luke I will give you one chance at redeeming yourself after whiffing on mathblade who might be the easiest scum to catch in this game

I don’t feel even remotely stupid after that flip.

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: Lukewarm

*hugs*

@Pooky, you’re going to say because of this?

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: Lukewarm

*hugs*

@Pooky, you’re going to say because of this?

No that has to be wrong because that’s an early post and I have everything set to descending.

[Dancing Puppets]

ATTENTION I GOT A POTENTIAL VERY LIKELY RED CHECK ON BELLA.

I WANT BELLA’S FULL CLAIM AND ACTIONS NOW!

VOTE: Bella

I’m not lying, I hard claim Investigative role.

Wow.

[Dancing Puppets]

I have red check on ProfessorDrapion.

I am lying, i hardclaim nothing.

[Dancing Puppets]

I'm about to eat humble pie if Bella is also scum RIP

+1

Me too.

[Dancing Puppets]

Dancing is mafia.

Read my iso and the game. I posted a bunch of quotes yesterday to prove that your push on me was bs, so either you’re scum or you suffer from some kind of selective amnesia. Which is it?

[ProfessorDrapion]

The fact Math flipped wolf and Bella is almost mechanically outed wolf, I doubt Puppet is ever a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

You know it’s funny because both Bell and Bella were in my PoE.
One flipped town and the other is gonna flip Wolf.

Wolf PoE:
Bellaphant - Almost Outed Wolf via Mechanical/Role.
T-Bone
Bell - Flipped Town
Math - Flipped Wolf
CSF
Enchant

[Dancing Puppets]

Can someone say what's under spoiler, i am bad on understanding anything which have more than 50 words.

I’m saying that you’re reasoning for sr us is false. If you read those quotes, you will notice that I initially believed your IC fakeclaim and even went so far as to pm the mods about it. Why would I even bother doing that in a game with only alignment flips?

It was only then that I sussed you for your Taly vote.

Ah.

Hm.........................................................

I broke help