LOST (Game Over)

[Dancing Puppets]

Also like the handwringing over Drap dying if Bella flips scum is nonsense. That's a good fucking trade town should want to make every time. Only scum would be against this trade I feel.

If Bella flips town then there's zero chance Drap is killed because we'll have to flip him next.

True, nothing scum absolutely hates more than the possible prospect of miselimming. No townie ever worries about such nonsense.

[Best Bird]

If Bella flips town then there's zero chance Drap is killed because we'll have to flip him next.

mmm...

it's not like bella disputed the track...

[RCEnigma]

Also like the handwringing over Drap dying if Bella flips scum is nonsense. That's a good fucking trade town should want to make every time. Only scum would be against this trade I feel.

If Bella flips town then there's zero chance Drap is killed because we'll have to flip him next.

It’s not that kind of 1v1.

[T-Bone]

Then what is your reason for wanting to pursue anti-town play?

[Lukewarm]

I do and I also don’t see why Bella - who isn’t doc - would request to be role copped, do you?

If Bella is town doc, her slot is resolvable, because I don’t see town!Bella doc living very long and this way, we probably save Drap tonight.

1) scum doc would still come back doc to a role cop

2) a town role cop is dead, so not even likely we have another

[T-Bone]

Also like the handwringing over Drap dying if Bella flips scum is nonsense. That's a good fucking trade town should want to make every time. Only scum would be against this trade I feel.

If Bella flips town then there's zero chance Drap is killed because we'll have to flip him next.

It’s not that kind of 1v1.

Isn't it though? There's a lot of coincidence otherwise. Which granted, a series of unlikely events could put us into this position. But we can't play for the unlikely events, we have to play for the most likely outcome.

[Dancing Puppets]

If Bella flips town then there's zero chance Drap is killed because we'll have to flip him next.

mmm...

it's not like bella disputed the track...

+1

Drap is town regardless of what Bella is and I understand why people want to flip her but it was a track not a watch, which means it’s not a confirmed guilty. I agree with RCE that Bell’s role doesn’t really make much sense as a macho neighbour though, however a Bella townflip would point to a strongman. Just based off of both play and Math interactions, I just would not be surprised if she’s actually telling the truth but I won’t veto it. I’m just not all confident she flips red here.

[T-Bone]

Like if Drap claimed I had targeted the night kill, I'd fall him a liar, but I would recognize your have to flip me because we have to start with the most likely scenario first, even if I knew the truth otherwise. Because we can't not flip and play WIFOM the rest of the game.

[T-Bone]

Yeah I read Bella way more town than Drap too...but like we are now forced to play the claim out.

[Dancing Puppets]

I do and I also don’t see why Bella - who isn’t doc - would request to be role copped, do you?

If Bella is town doc, her slot is resolvable, because I don’t see town!Bella doc living very long and this way, we probably save Drap tonight.

1) scum doc would still come back doc to a role cop

2) a town role cop is dead, so not even likely we have another

That’s true, so Bella asking to be role copped isn’t meaningful in light of Frogs’ flip.

[Lukewarm]

So what are the chances that bella actually stole her partners flavor instead? or they got a fake town claim with flavor?
or maybe they got a role cop on one of the dead towns role?

Don't you know, once someone is forced to claim after being tracked to the night kill, we should take both their flavor and role claims at face value?

And world build starting from a point of assuming they are always telling the truth?

[Lukewarm]

I have read rads arguement.

I still want to kill Bella, so my vote is staying there.

[T-Bone]

Also like the handwringing over Drap dying if Bella flips scum is nonsense. That's a good fucking trade town should want to make every time. Only scum would be against this trade I feel.

If Bella flips town then there's zero chance Drap is killed because we'll have to flip him next.

It’s not that kind of 1v1.

Also like the handwringing over Drap dying if Bella flips scum is nonsense. That's a good fucking trade town should want to make every time. Only scum would be against this trade I feel.

If Bella flips town then there's zero chance Drap is killed because we'll have to flip him next.

It’s not that kind of 1v1.

Isn't it though? There's a lot of coincidence otherwise. Which granted, a series of unlikely events could put us into this position. But we can't play for the unlikely events, we have to play for the most likely outcome.

Sorry I should add on that Drap also claimed to not get a result night 1. So it is really claim vs claim here. Nothing is proved without a flip, and in light of that a Bella town flip makes Drap likely scum.

[Dancing Puppets]

Also like the handwringing over Drap dying if Bella flips scum is nonsense. That's a good fucking trade town should want to make every time. Only scum would be against this trade I feel.

If Bella flips town then there's zero chance Drap is killed because we'll have to flip him next.

It’s not that kind of 1v1.

Also like the handwringing over Drap dying if Bella flips scum is nonsense. That's a good fucking trade town should want to make every time. Only scum would be against this trade I feel.

If Bella flips town then there's zero chance Drap is killed because we'll have to flip him next.

It’s not that kind of 1v1.

Isn't it though? There's a lot of coincidence otherwise. Which granted, a series of unlikely events could put us into this position. But we can't play for the unlikely events, we have to play for the most likely outcome.

Sorry I should add on that Drap also claimed to not get a result night 1. So it is really claim vs claim here. Nothing is proved without a flip, and in light of that a Bella town flip makes Drap likely scum.

How is Drap scum if Bella flips town? He claimed a track on her and she didn’t dispute that. I’m saying that that it’s not a confirmed gulty. Another thought I had is that why scum!Bella claims macho doc as opposed to any number of other possible roles that might look better but yes, I know that’s wifom.

[ProfessorDrapion]

No it doesn’t but I’m not gonna care to get into that because Bella likely just flips wolf.
I’m curious though why you theorize my track on Bella to be wolf aligned plus the fact I was pushing math hard to ever be wolf with them.

[ProfessorDrapion]

That was directly to mister T T Bone.

[T-Bone]

What?

[T-Bone]

Are you even reading my posts?

[Dancing Puppets]

Yes, I want to know why his track on CSF n1 failed but it was successful on Bella. Something isn’t making sense with this but I highly doubt it has anything whatsoever to do with Drap’s alignment.

[ProfessorDrapion]

What?

You realize what Bella claimed right?
You realize they aren’t denying the track right?
You realize Bella is claiming their to be a strongman right?
You’ve been paying attention to thread right?

[T-Bone]

You realize I've been arguing to flip Bella, right?

[Lukewarm]

Sorry I should add on that Drap also claimed to not get a result night 1. So it is really claim vs claim here. Nothing is proved without a flip, and in light of that a Bella town flip makes Drap likely scum.

Disagree.

Drap said: I HAVE A GUILTY ON BELLA
Bella said: I visited Bell, but I'm still town.


Bella confirmed the drap is telling the truth about being a tracker, so Bellas alignment has nothing to do with Draps at this point

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yes, I want to know why his track on CSF n1 failed but it was successful on Bella. Something isn’t making sense with this but I highly doubt it has anything whatsoever to do with Drap’s alignment.

Mafia probably has a Roleblocker or Rolestopper, that’s what I conclude as most likely scenario.

[T-Bone]

Like I'm actually agreeing with you, but you're so arrogant about your read on me you don't see that?

[ProfessorDrapion]

You realize I've been arguing to flip Bella, right?

So you don’t want optimal vote and would rather ML the actual doctor?
Lol.