Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

[Alianna]

2.02

Votecount 2.02

froggodoggo (2): Hiraki, Klick
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Cat Scratch Fever
Klick (1): Lucian

Not Voting (7): Infinity 324, Dunnstral, furtiveglance, Gamma Emerald, BlueBloodedToffee, Aisa, froggodoggo

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-01 21:16:50).

Mod Notes: POST 1000 IS MINE!!!!!!!!!!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Frog

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't feel like Dunn is scum here
after the initial kerfuffle about his unwillingness to following the IC, he's seemed town across the board

[Aisa]

Do you have any thoughts on what differentiates town Dunn from scum Dunn, Gamma?
Like I can totally see him being town here, but I don't have a good sense of what his capabilities are

[Gamma Emerald]

he feels more "shadowy" as scum, I'd say. Here he feels in the light for sure.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

not really into the enchant lim, the "think before i vote" thing is kinda meaningless to me and limming a contentless slot on d1 doesn't seem great. i'll vote there at deadline obviously though

enchant needs to die and i think a night phase would help me get more engaged regardless
-ash

Explanation for this read progression on Enchant would be good

[Aisa]

he feels more "shadowy" as scum, I'd say. Here he feels in the light for sure.

Hmm yeah kinda similar to what I was thinking (checked out a recent scum game of his at some point)

But if it's not him who is it ughh

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Infinity/Froggo is my top two atm

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I've played with Enchant before and this kind of play is very typical for them as both alignments. I was under the impression that they were being voted out because they were doing nothing - an angle that I was not personally interested in because I've seen this from Enchant as town before.

959 feels sort of revisionist. If Enchant is different in this game from Terminator, why was that not called out before his elimination? I instead feel that they were voted out mainly for doing nothing, not for looking different from his town game

Yes, it was by Lucian in 588

I also alluded to meta differences in 582

The case on enchant was never "enchant is not doing anything"

It was "enchant is doing less than usual"

Which is not the same thing

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: dunnstral

[froggodoggo]

I've played with Enchant before and this kind of play is very typical for them as both alignments. I was under the impression that they were being voted out because they were doing nothing - an angle that I was not personally interested in because I've seen this from Enchant as town before.

959 feels sort of revisionist. If Enchant is different in this game from Terminator, why was that not called out before his elimination? I instead feel that they were voted out mainly for doing nothing, not for looking different from his town game

Not true, Lucian mentioned this in 588

[froggodoggo]

I'm actually thinking slightly differently on Klick. I said I TRed them for their confidence in the scum flip. Funnily enough, that was because I was thinking Enchant might flip town.

Enchant being Roleblocker make some think scum would be extremely unlikely to want to elim them.

I want to look earlier in the game when Enchant wagon starts building and see what happens around that. Scum would have been reluctant to bus Enchant IMO.

this is true nice thinking

[froggodoggo]

1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Enchant (ELIMINATED): Hiraki, Lucian, Cat Scratch Fever, Malakittens, Klick, BlueBloodedToffee, froggodoggo
Malakittens (2): Enchant, Dunnstral
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Infinity 324
furtiveglance (1): Aisa

Not Voting (2): furtiveglance, Gamma Emerald

Froggo's posting around the Enchant hammer really gave me scum vibes.

He is literally the only person on the Enchant wagon who I think can be scum, too.

Outside chance of Klick, but I'm not entertaining that any time soon. It's entirely possible both scum were off the wagon I guess

Fwiw furtive was on the wagon originally but unvoted after the doc claim

[froggodoggo]

Infinity why did ur slot vote me earlier. i don't want to let that go unexplained.

the whole "i'm new and i'm flustered because i'm being pressured" is >rand scum.

-ash

Interesting interaction.

explain further this is just shading

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Infinity and Froggo pretty much sat on me all day long.

Hard to see them being scum together.

So one of Froggo/Infinity and one of Gamma/Dunn

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah but Furtive is town anyway so that doesn't really matter

[BlueBloodedToffee]

aisa is somewhat towny

VOTE: BBT

i don't think csf is really getting townier but we can go here

Talk about this please Infinity.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Infinity

[Gamma Emerald]

:/

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You OK?

[Gamma Emerald]

why wouldn't I be

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Straight face in previous post.

[froggodoggo]

Skimming through when enchant first got voted and furtive is catching my attention.

Spoiler:

Was initially opposed to the enchant vote:

I don't like the Enchant vote, they read more town than scum to me. I'd take a BBT vote if Hiraki is really against CSF going, but I'm feeling like CSF is scum.

The thing that sticks in my mind is them asking GE whether they would sheep them on a read - the concept of having good reads or bad reads showed a Town POV.

and mentions Enchant when talking to other players multiple times, but never once tries to actually interact with Enchant. this is something I thought was scummy of furtive earlier in the game but now that it applies directly to a flipped scum I think it's a lot more concerning.

My reason for chainsawing for Enchant was less that I townleaned them for their ISO, but more that I scumread other people more and considered some Enchant voters (e.g. BBT) to be voting the easy wagon.

this also doesn't align with their earlier TR of enchant

I'm going to bed now. Hiraki/Me/Lucian/Aisa/Froggo are the towncore, Dunnstral/Enchant/Infinity/Klick/Malakittens have done enough for a temporary townpass, BBT/CSF/GE contains the motherload of Impostors.

With this list, the phrase 'have done enough for a temporary townpass' was only really about Infinity and Klick. The other three I'd say haven't done enough to be town, but also haven't stood out to me as scummy in the same way that my bottom three have.

here is furtive trying to sneak Enchant into their "townpass" list

I'm not really buying it, but I'll unvote anyway to see what others think.

could see this coming from town but it's certainly fence-sitty and an unvote on scum is an unvote on scum.

Oh I forgot to say, I'm not going to give PR claims the usual respect in this setup, because I would definitely pick a random role as scum.

This you?

Yes it's me. I literally said I'm not buying it, but I want to allow discussion first. If others also doubt the claim I will re-vote.

nice one from BBT again, wack that yall think BBT is scum

Cat Scratch Fever (E-2): furtiveglance, Lucian, Infinity 324, froggodoggo, Klick

and to backtrack a bit, furtive was on the early CSF wagon, and i'm pretty sure CSF is town. Klick and Lucian also look pretty good IMO so I think furtive being a scum on this wagon fits nicely.

VOTE: furtiveglance

BBT and others who TR furtive, talk to me about why please?? this ISO is riddled with scumpings that connect them to Enchant and I want em outta here

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Froggo, can the same not be applied to Infinity? Check my previous post regarding their read progression on Enchant and tell me how it makes sense.

Furtive is town for our EoD1 discussion

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Agreed on furtive town

My impression of furtive's playstyle is a lot like yours, froggo

Although based on that wagon on me that got to e-2, I'd be willing to hop on infinity

VOTE: infinity