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[Ausuka]

Votecount 2.1

Seanzie (2)

- Eiralox, Gamma Emerald

Eiralox (1)

- schadd_

Gamma Emerald (1)

- Seanzie

UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri (1)

- Haschel Cedricson

Not Voting (6)

- Enchant, KittyTacky, Malakittens, redcardinal, T3, UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to decide an elimination. Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-08 12:11:33).

Mod notes

Please let me know if you notice any errors!

For some reason known not even to me, I put Gamma Emerald twice in the last votecount instead of Malakittens. This has been corrected.

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanna move my vote but also want Galron to actually do something before I do so

Who do you want to move to?

Do you expect Galron to act differently based on a single vote on them?

This feels like Seanzie was nervous at me voting his scummbuddy and wanted to try and draw me towards giving up that vote for another option

It's really helpful when you quote the posts that show you trying to move off Galron. Not gonna lie, still waiting for those heavy non-w/w interactions you had with Galron that you want me to clear you two as a team over. Is this one of them?

Not exactly inclined to explain if you’re taking this tone w me

[Gamma Emerald]

I apologize for being rude after you asked me to stop swearing at you tho, I felt like a community that ruled swearing at someone being a personal attack was an oddity and felt like it would be more suitable for you to adjust to the harshness that most mafia games have. I still feel like it’s probably wise to realize most people probably won’t be very accommodating but I’ll try to lessen my edge in the meantime.

[Seanzie]

And I fucking DARE you, try and construct a reason I’m scum with Galron that doesn’t get ripped to shreds in less than 5 minutes.

Nah, I'll just bury you on your own play.

Go ahead and try scumfuck, but Mini Normals lack multiball or Serial Killers, so any belief I’m scum has to reconcile the fact that I put Galron in the fucking ground.

Please don't swear at me, this is a game, and that sort of language is unsportsmanlike.

I'm just going to keep burying you based on your play. If you want to try to make a case that you couldn't be teamed with Galron, you can try to do that, and I'll read it. However, that onus is on you.

I’ll swear as much as I fucking like, you little weasel! If you wanna seriously call me unsportsmanlike for calling you a “scum fuck” then that merely magnifies my confidence that you’re scum because that makes it apparent the problem part of that post isn’t that I’m calling you scum!

The comment about you swearing was more meant as an out-of-game post. I'm asking you human-to-human to not swear at me like that because it feels like you're personally attacking me when you swear at me. I don't know MS's specific forum rules, but most places I play, swearing AT someone like that is against the rules and so I'm just asking you to stop to allow everyone to enjoy the game without having profanities flung at them.

You can call me scum though, that is an in-game thing. You're wrong, and honestly this OMGUS push makes me feel like you're just a caught wolf, but calling me scum is an acceptable thing to do in terms of treating people with respect while playing mafia.

If you seriously consider my moderate swearing a personal attack then I’m scared for how you’ll handle other players. How old even are you?

This is the last post I am going to make about this. I kindly asked you from an out-of-game perspective to not swear at me. How you act after that is up to you.

[Seanzie]

Kinda feels like GE's UDKG read was made up.

If you demonstrate legitimate solving I’ll legitimately engage this but as of now, all it seems like you’re doing is trying your hardest to smear obvtown.

Nah, you already quoted the post you claimed was an "ever-so-genuine" read from UD about Galron, and it wasn't about Galron. You lied, and you've been caught. Sorry, try again next time.

I already explained why that post from UD related to Galron, so you continuing this line of bullshit indicates you a) are scum who didn’t need to actually process my logic in order to continue blaring how scummy you think I am, b) you deliberately chose to ignore it and instead tout your own arrogant incorrectness or c) you simply lack the reading skills to understand my elaborate thought process.

I did deliberately choose to ignore it because I think it is you trying to weasel your way out of a lie. I do not believe in any world that your post about UDKG's genuine-sounding take was the one you quoted. I have to do mental gymnastics to make that make sense, and IME when i have to do mental gymnastics after asking someone to quote one of 7 posts and them taking a long time to quote said post and giving a convoluted way to try to spin it to make sense with what they said, they're usually just a lying wolf.

[T3]

I feel like UD genuinely believed her read there
Meanwhile I think someone like Seanzie is more sus for voting Galron and then immediately unvoting following the claim

Can you quote exactly which post you feel UD genuinely believes? Because looking at their ISO, I don't really get the feeling that you could call any of those posts overly genuine-feeling.

I think there’s been a miscommunication here. Seanzie automatically assumed that Gamma had an emotional reaction to UDKG’s posts and as a results called Gamma’s read fake, meanwhile Gamma actually had a logical reason to townread UDKG.

[Seanzie]

I apologize for being rude after you asked me to stop swearing at you tho, I felt like a community that ruled swearing at someone being a personal attack was an oddity and felt like it would be more suitable for you to adjust to the harshness that most mafia games have. I still feel like it’s probably wise to realize most people probably won’t be very accommodating but I’ll try to lessen my edge in the meantime.

Thanks for this. I am not majorly offended by your one post, but IME sometimes when one person starts swearing at someone else, it can lead to other toxic things, and nipping it in the butt earlier is better than letting it go. I appreciate and accept your apology. No hard feelings, just trying to have fun playing a meaningless kids game with a bunch of adults online.

[T3]

Does that mean you think Galron is town?

If so, why?

The wagon looks emotionally driven and the slot has attracted a lot of unwanted negative attention to itself.

Actually I do want this explained, what seemed “emotionally driven” about the Galron wagon?

This post seems genuine, it’s like Gamma went back and looked at UDKG’s ISO and gave it some more thought and this post stood out to him.

[T3]

Great school district

VOTE: crescent

wtf is the relevance of school district to anything in this game?

Actually, now that I'm looking at Gamma's ISO... this post... is quite oddly placed. I remembered seeing it originally and being like "why is Gamma quoting a weird post from the very beginning of the game?" but then, like magic, this post ends up being Galron's breadcrumb post. Chances Gamma just happens to drudge that post up literally a few posts after Galron's claim, so that Galron can "organically" point to their breadcrumb of their role and Gamma can back off Galron.

And they want to say I'm suspicious for unvoting Galron after their claim? Nah.

Hold the phone you might be on to something here

[Seanzie]

Does that mean you think Galron is town?

If so, why?

The wagon looks emotionally driven and the slot has attracted a lot of unwanted negative attention to itself.

Actually I do want this explained, what seemed “emotionally driven” about the Galron wagon?

This post seems genuine, it’s like Gamma went back and looked at UDKG’s ISO and gave it some more thought and this post stood out to him.

The issue I have with this is that this is when I asked Gamma to go quote what post they felt was genuine from UDKG, and instead of bringing back that post, they brought back this one, which felt a lot like Gamma COULDN'T make a case that one of the posts were particuarly genuine-feeling, so instead tryed to shift attention away from that by bringing this up, and only after me asking a second time for where the felt UDKG was being genuine did they THEN go back and find that other post. I feel like if I wouldn't have pressed them the second time, they would have let the whole "UDKG felt genuine" thing slip away since they didn't have a good explanation for it.

[T3]

Does that mean you think Galron is town?

If so, why?

The wagon looks emotionally driven and the slot has attracted a lot of unwanted negative attention to itself.

Actually I do want this explained, what seemed “emotionally driven” about the Galron wagon?

This post seems genuine, it’s like Gamma went back and looked at UDKG’s ISO and gave it some more thought and this post stood out to him.

The issue I have with this is that this is when I asked Gamma to go quote what post they felt was genuine from UDKG, and instead of bringing back that post, they brought back this one, which felt a lot like Gamma COULDN'T make a case that one of the posts were particuarly genuine-feeling, so instead tryed to shift attention away from that by bringing this up, and only after me asking a second time for where the felt UDKG was being genuine did they THEN go back and find that other post. I feel like if I wouldn't have pressed them the second time, they would have let the whole "UDKG felt genuine" thing slip away since they didn't have a good explanation for it.

That’s fair. I am hesitant to scumread Gamma for this because I do agree with Gamma’s stated reasoning.

[T3]

VOTE: eiralox

Why are you voting Eiralox?

umm i didnt really stop thinking they were wolfy yesterday & i also thought their eod1 pop in was a bit of a performance

What do you think about the Gamma/Seanzie interaction?

[Seanzie]

Does that mean you think Galron is town?

If so, why?

The wagon looks emotionally driven and the slot has attracted a lot of unwanted negative attention to itself.

Actually I do want this explained, what seemed “emotionally driven” about the Galron wagon?

This post seems genuine, it’s like Gamma went back and looked at UDKG’s ISO and gave it some more thought and this post stood out to him.

The issue I have with this is that this is when I asked Gamma to go quote what post they felt was genuine from UDKG, and instead of bringing back that post, they brought back this one, which felt a lot like Gamma COULDN'T make a case that one of the posts were particuarly genuine-feeling, so instead tryed to shift attention away from that by bringing this up, and only after me asking a second time for where the felt UDKG was being genuine did they THEN go back and find that other post. I feel like if I wouldn't have pressed them the second time, they would have let the whole "UDKG felt genuine" thing slip away since they didn't have a good explanation for it.

That’s fair. I am hesitant to scumread Gamma for this because I do agree with Gamma’s stated reasoning.

I quite frankly don't. UDKG putting sus on someone for sheeping someone else onto Galron does not in any way make me think UDKG genuinely thought Galron was town, and honestly the more I think about it, that should make UDKG MORE sus since that could be a Galron!partner trying to lightly chainsaw Mala.

[T3]

Is Crescent someone who is usually fearkilled or something?

VOTE: Seanzie

Well, hello to you too.

VOTE: Seanzie

Care to explain your vote?

This is quite defensive btw

Asking someone to explain a naked vote isn't defensive, try again wolfo.

This was my exact reaction to Gamma’s post too. It seems like Gamma is relying on all of the town credit he received from limming Galron in order to dismiss all of the accusations against him.

[Gamma Emerald]

Here’s the thing, Crescent dying imo suggests scum somehow still think I’m mislimmable. I fully expected to die Night 1, it’s not that rare for me these days! So Seanzie pushing against me here is a MASSIVE RED FLAG!
And like, I expect people to actually be able to use critical thinking to solve me. I specifically pushed out Galron as a litmus test for whether I had honed in on the tells another player had used to make an early call on a prior game scumbuddy of mine. If I was bussing, I don’t NEED to litmus test ANYTHING, I already KNOW Galron’s alignment!

[Gamma Emerald]

Great school district

VOTE: crescent

wtf is the relevance of school district to anything in this game?

Actually, now that I'm looking at Gamma's ISO... this post... is quite oddly placed. I remembered seeing it originally and being like "why is Gamma quoting a weird post from the very beginning of the game?" but then, like magic, this post ends up being Galron's breadcrumb post. Chances Gamma just happens to drudge that post up literally a few posts after Galron's claim, so that Galron can "organically" point to their breadcrumb of their role and Gamma can back off Galron.

And they want to say I'm suspicious for unvoting Galron after their claim? Nah.

Hold the phone you might be on to something here

How about no?
Seanzie’s presentation of that is incredibly disingenuous. I thought that was a post I made a while before the claim but it was actually right after.. If it was a while back I’d understand the thought process that it was setting up Galron’s claim for later, but in proper context it feels like it should be obvious that was my genuine take on what looked like something outlandish. And claiming I was aiming to back off Galron grossly misrepresents my actual movement there, which is to say it suggests there was any movement at all! I didn’t unvote Galron while I was questioning his crumbing tendency as scum, and I in fact doubled down on pushing Galron using meta!

Do not fall for Seanzie’s shallow lies.

[Gamma Emerald]

The Crescent kill is an odd one, tbh; I was expecting to start pressuring her based on the Galron flip and I assume redcardinal was going to do the same,

This wording feels awkward tbh
Wdym you EXPECTED to start pressuring her? Either you were going to or were not going to, why the need to qualify it?

[T3]

Kinda feels like GE's UDKG read was made up.

If you demonstrate legitimate solving I’ll legitimately engage this but as of now, all it seems like you’re doing is trying your hardest to smear obvtown.

Nah, you already quoted the post you claimed was an "ever-so-genuine" read from UD about Galron, and it wasn't about Galron. You lied, and you've been caught. Sorry, try again next time.

I already explained why that post from UD related to Galron, so you continuing this line of bullshit indicates you a) are scum who didn’t need to actually process my logic in order to continue blaring how scummy you think I am, b) you deliberately chose to ignore it and instead tout your own arrogant incorrectness or c) you simply lack the reading skills to understand my elaborate thought process.

I did deliberately choose to ignore it because I think it is you trying to weasel your way out of a lie. I do not believe in any world that your post about UDKG's genuine-sounding take was the one you quoted. I have to do mental gymnastics to make that make sense, and IME when i have to do mental gymnastics after asking someone to quote one of 7 posts and them taking a long time to quote said post and giving a convoluted way to try to spin it to make sense with what they said, they're usually just a lying wolf.

I do get why UDKG’s post was about Galron - scum UDKG would not push Mala there because it would draw suspicion towards them after Galron would inevitably flip.

[Seanzie]

I'm a little less confident about galron being scum after realizing he crumbed his role in his first post, idk if scum!Galron thinks to do that

Great school district

VOTE: crescent

wtf is the relevance of school district to anything in this game?

Actually, now that I'm looking at Gamma's ISO... this post... is quite oddly placed. I remembered seeing it originally and being like "why is Gamma quoting a weird post from the very beginning of the game?" but then, like magic, this post ends up being Galron's breadcrumb post. Chances Gamma just happens to drudge that post up literally a few posts after Galron's claim, so that Galron can "organically" point to their breadcrumb of their role and Gamma can back off Galron.

And they want to say I'm suspicious for unvoting Galron after their claim? Nah.

Hold the phone you might be on to something here

How about no?
Seanzie’s presentation of that is incredibly disingenuous. I thought that was a post I made a while before the claim but it was actually right after.. If it was a while back I’d understand the thought process that it was setting up Galron’s claim for later, but in proper context it feels like it should be obvious that was my genuine take on what looked like something outlandish. And claiming I was aiming to back off Galron grossly misrepresents my actual movement there, which is to say it suggests there was any movement at all! I didn’t unvote Galron while I was questioning his crumbing tendency as scum, and I in fact doubled down on pushing Galron using meta!

Do not fall for Seanzie’s shallow lies.

This was your post after Galron mentioned the crumb, clearing you're setup to back off here if the wind goes that way.

I'm a little less confident about galron being scum after realizing he crumbed his role in his first post, idk if scum!Galron thinks to do that

Granted when looking for this post, I did see that you actually responded to UDKG's post there saying she was preflipping Galron town, which does actually kind of give me pause on the whole "genuine" thing. I'll think on it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Granted when looking for this post, I did see that you actually responded to UDKG's post there saying she was preflipping Galron town, which does actually kind of give me pause on the whole "genuine" thing. I'll think on it.

*frustrated sigh*
I’m a bit miffed you only came around a bit after ISO digging like this but I will admit I made the statement that UD’s read felt genuine not actually knowing what I was saying it for, and when I looked at UD’s posts I got sidetracked from actually finding the post I did find genuine to ask about that other post

[Gamma Emerald]

Mala pretty blatantly sheeped Gamma and that's... Yeah I don't know Mala enough.

She's worth flipping D1 for stuff like that. She's not a bad Town player.

Oh I thought this was gamma

Ignore my last post

Why did you think I posted that thing UD posted?

[Gamma Emerald]

@redcardinal

what’s your view on the game rn?

[Haschel Cedricson]

The Crescent kill is an odd one, tbh; I was expecting to start pressuring her based on the Galron flip and I assume redcardinal was going to do the same,

This wording feels awkward tbh
Wdym you EXPECTED to start pressuring her? Either you were going to or were not going to, why the need to qualify it?

I expected the day to start with somebody else dead and I clicked into this thread ready to go, and then it turned out I wouldn't be doing that after all because she was dead. My expectations were subverted.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay that makes some sense
Who did you expect would be killed?

[T3]

Kinda feels like GE's UDKG read was made up.

If you demonstrate legitimate solving I’ll legitimately engage this but as of now, all it seems like you’re doing is trying your hardest to smear obvtown.

I can see a world in which Seanzie is scum trying to set you up as a viable mislim later. At the same time, I agree with some of his points.

I don’t know. I’m going to reread.