Micro 1059: Micro & Normal Stuff | GAME OVER

[Aristeia]

And I don't believe you genuinely thought "maybe I just rolled miller" meant I was unsure about whether I rolled miller, so I guess we're even

it's not about the literal meaning or the implied meaning - it's your mindset which doesn't quite fit.

[Ausuka]

I obviously was saying that Done's suggestion that me and Datisi were the scumteam were based on the premise that I was scum and did not actually roll miller and this premise was unjustified...

[Ausuka]

Like town you can't actually genuinely believe that's a scumslip

[Ausuka]

Datisi are you seeing this shit

[Donempire]

Maybe I just rolled miller


Like as scum I literally never claim miller, not for strategic reasons but because I would never involve myself in all this claim speculation BS voluntarily

Your partner might have told you to.
I dont think this is a point worth discussing until one of the mods clarifies this. I'll just say this, claiming miller as scum in a game with uncertain setup is a gambit with very little risk. I dont think your claim by itself should be trusted.

[Ausuka]

I agree! Blindly trusting a miller claim is a bad idea

Calling me scum and justifying it with nothing but the miller claim is an equally bad idea

[Ausuka]

Like literally just ignore the miller claim unless you're a Rolecop that is all I am asking

[Aristeia]

I don't understand why you feel the need to defend yourself if you're convinced I'm scum and pushing you for mislim.

I'm fine with being flipped first.

[Ausuka]

Because I'm not convinced you're scum? It's day 1 everyone is like 50% scum at most

[Aristeia]

you sound fairly convinced that i'm scum.

[Ausuka]

I am incredulous at this push you're making, certainly

[Aristeia]

I'm not even pushing for you to get flipped today.

I am offering you/dats a bop shot.

it's not the same thing

[Ausuka]

I lowkey think maybe the scum team is just Ausuka/Datisi for ~reasons~ but I want Dats to roll town with me finally so I am going to hope it's just no true ^^

I don't understand how you got from this level of confidence to basically being willing to bet the game on it if you're town

[Ausuka]

I'm not even pushing for you to get flipped today.

I am offering you/dats a bop shot.

it's not the same thing

You are pushing that if we miselim on day 1, which is something happens most of the time, me and my top townread should be eliminated

Why would I ever be okay with that

[Aristeia]

I'm not betting the game on it.

giving you/dats a bop shot is not the same as betting the game on you/dats is the solve.

[Aristeia]

You are pushing that if we miselim on day 1, which is something happens most of the time, me and my top townread should be eliminated

so decline if you don't feel comfortable with your accuracy?

or take a shot on me!scum if you feel confident in it.

it doesn't matter to me.

[Donempire]

I don't understand why you feel the need to defend yourself if you're convinced I'm scum and pushing you for mislim.

I'm fine with being flipped first.

Are you? I dont think you're serious about this if you are town.
Imagine we lim you, you flip town. What incentive do we have to lim ausuka then? You claim a slip up . Well all that can be argued away. Especially if you arent her partner, no way her buddy lets her get limmed on that weak of a premise alone. And on the off chance we do lim ausuka somehow, we have no info going into d3 because we limmed someone who dared us to, and then we limmed someone for a supposed slip up. We go to 5 people with nothing at hand. And remember, this is all

IF

ausuka is scum. If she isnt, we lynched two townies for no reason, we go to LYLO with nothing and auto lose.
So why not keep playing? We're still waiting on mod confirmation anyway, there are 5 people who havent had a word in during this and we have no plan going forward if we do this.
I vote not to end the day until less than 4 hours remain. The more we discuss, the more bullshit we peddle, the more fluff we post, the more we have to look back retroactively. This is the only day we have 9 people present, so i vote not to rush it.

Removed the L word - Irrelephant11

[Aristeia]

I can answer you Don but please edit your post to not include the L word thanks

[Ausuka]

You are pushing that if we miselim on day 1, which is something happens most of the time, me and my top townread should be eliminated

so decline if you don't feel comfortable with your accuracy?

or take a shot on me!scum if you feel confident in it.

it doesn't matter to me.

It didn't really sound like something optional but like
Yes I decline obviously

[Donempire]

I can answer you Don but please edit your post to not include the L word thanks

you cant edit posts in mafia games,

@irrelephant if you dont mind

[Aristeia]

if the town doesn't agree with me about it then there is no way for me to enforce a bop shot obviously

so I guess it would have to be something done with consent/agreement.

its not like im throwing you a gun and making you pull the trigger.

[Aristeia]

I can answer you Don but please edit your post to not include the L word thanks

you cant edit posts in mafia games,

@irrelephant if you dont mind

I meant you can just copy paste it into a new post, edit the words and repost it and i'll respond

[Donempire]

I don't understand why you feel the need to defend yourself if you're convinced I'm scum and pushing you for mislim.

I'm fine with being flipped first.

Are you? I dont think you're serious about this if you are town.
Imagine we morb you, you flip town. What incentive do we have to morb ausuka then? You claim a slip up . Well all that can be argued away. Especially if you arent her partner, no way her buddy lets her get morbed on that weak of a premise alone. And on the off chance we do morb ausuka somehow, we have no info going into d3 because we morbed someone who dared us to, and then we morbed someone for a supposed slip up. We go to 5 people with nothing at hand. And remember, this is all

IF

ausuka is scum. If she isnt, we morbed two townies for no reason, we go to LYLO with nothing and auto lose.
So why not keep playing? We're still waiting on mod confirmation anyway, there are 5 people who havent had a word in during this and we have no plan going forward if we do this.
I vote not to end the day until less than 4 hours remain. The more we discuss, the more bullshit we peddle, the more fluff we post, the more we have to look back retroactively. This is the only day we have 9 people present, so i vote not to rush it.

[Aristeia]

I don't understand why you feel the need to defend yourself if you're convinced I'm scum and pushing you for mislim.

I'm fine with being flipped first.

Are you? I dont think you're serious about this if you are town.
Imagine we morb you, you flip town. What incentive do we have to morb ausuka then? You claim a slip up . Well all that can be argued away. Especially if you arent her partner, no way her buddy lets her get morbed on that weak of a premise alone. And on the off chance we do morb ausuka somehow, we have no info going into d3 because we morbed someone who dared us to, and then we morbed someone for a supposed slip up. We go to 5 people with nothing at hand. And remember, this is all

IF

ausuka is scum. If she isnt, we morbed two townies for no reason, we go to LYLO with nothing and auto lose.
So why not keep playing? We're still waiting on mod confirmation anyway, there are 5 people who havent had a word in during this and we have no plan going forward if we do this.
I vote not to end the day until less than 4 hours remain. The more we discuss, the more bullshit we peddle, the more fluff we post, the more we have to look back retroactively. This is the only day we have 9 people present, so i vote not to rush it.

I don't offer things I am not serious about.

If the

town

collectively decides to take me up on my offer, I would expect the

town

to follow through.

If the town decides to renege, I don't really care?

If people don't want to do this, I'm fine with that also.

The post that you're addressing has to do with me being skeptical of Ausuka deciding to continue talking about how she's town and I'm scum in a scenario where I'm letting her flip me first. It feels kind of silly to me. like if she thinks i'm scum and I'm literally letting her flip me first, is she really going to worry about being elimmed after she flips me on d1 and i'm scum?

[Donempire]

No, town!ausuka is worrying about killing you, you flipping town, getting killed tomorrow and then flipping town. You treat this like ausuka is making a somehow dumb decision, but if ausuka is town she DOESNT KNOW if you are scum. It is reasonable to be suspicious of you but not want to lim you first without thinking about it, and that though process is not self contradictory. You treat it as if its a solid plan either way but the more likely possibility is we end up with two townies dead.
Regardless, i dont want to vote either of you. If you wanna keep this up, sure whatever, i dont think anything will come out of it

Removed the L word - Irrelephant11