In post 374, Donempire wrote:No, town!ausuka is worrying about killing you, you flipping town, getting killed tomorrow and then flipping town.
her emotional tone that she is projecting into the thread is sheer exasperation that Datisi could possibly townread me or think I am town.
it is disconnected to her feelings about my flip, which seem to hint that she knows I flip town here and she will be in the unenviable position of defending herself post-flip.
The first post is obviously hyperbolic because what you said made exactly zero sense in any way
I am indeed not sure why Dats is townreading you here but that doesn't mean I am especially certain you are scum because that's just not how day 1 reads work
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 374, Donempire wrote:No, town!ausuka is worrying about killing you, you flipping town, getting killed tomorrow and then flipping town.
her emotional tone that she is projecting into the thread is sheer exasperation that Datisi could possibly townread me or think I am town.
it is disconnected to her feelings about my flip, which seem to hint that she knows I flip town here and she will be in the unenviable position of defending herself post-flip.
It isnt as unenviable as you make it out to be. As i said, if your lim goes through and she is scum, no way her partner lets her get limmed on a promise. In fact if shes town shes more likely to get limmed come the second day than if shes scum. What you are proposing isnt unique either, it is a iconic gamethrow to force a lim by volunteering to die first. It never goes well
Aristeia wrote:
In post 352, Ausuka wrote:Like town you can't actually genuinely believe that's a scumslip
specifically this sequence of posts projects a feeling of "Ari is obviously scum !! how can you not see this Datisi?!?"
I dont think those posts mean what you think they mean. But i do think those posts reveal something else. I think you have a point in pressuring ausuka, but this isnt the way to do it.
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Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
Formerly Dongempire
I think you are a good player and that your read on me is incredibly strange. You've acted convinced that I'm scum the entire game for vibes or reasons that make no sense to me at all, and it feels like you're not really even considering town!ausuka and just trying to push me
I think you acting so incredibly sure of a scumteam proposal that was originally worded uncertainly, in the middle of day 1, is a very strange progression especially based on something like "these two people who are friends are comfortable talking to each other"
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
I would probably have a hard time posting at this level of content and energy as scum
Regardless I wouldn't scumread you for Nullreading me or scumreading me for reasons that made sense - it's the way you push without showing genuine doubt or consideration and the points that you make while doing so that make me think this is a bad faith push.
pedit: But like. Most elims on day 1 are town. You're very generous and all but in practice that is going to lead to town losing most of the time
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 387, Ausuka wrote:Regardless I wouldn't scumread you for Nullreading me or scumreading me for reasons that made sense - it's the way you push without showing genuine doubt or consideration and the points that you make while doing so that make me think this is a bad faith push.
In post 374, Donempire wrote:No, town!ausuka is worrying about killing you, you flipping town, getting killed tomorrow and then flipping town.
her emotional tone that she is projecting into the thread is sheer exasperation that Datisi could possibly townread me or think I am town.
it is disconnected to her feelings about my flip, which seem to hint that she knows I flip town here and she will be in the unenviable position of defending herself post-flip.
It isnt as unenviable as you make it out to be. As i said, if your morb goes through and she is scum, no way her partner lets her get morbed on a promise. In fact if shes town shes more likely to get morbed come the second day than if shes scum. What you are proposing isnt unique either, it is a iconic gamethrow to force a morb by volunteering to die first. It never goes well
Aristeia wrote:
In post 352, Ausuka wrote:Like town you can't actually genuinely believe that's a scumslip
specifically this sequence of posts projects a feeling of "Ari is obviously scum !! how can you not see this Datisi?!?"
I dont think those posts mean what you think they mean. But i do think those posts reveal something else. I think you have a point in pressuring ausuka, but this isnt the way to do it.
Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
Formerly Dongempire
If you're town you don't seem to understand that like
I can scumread you by thinking that you are more likely to flip mafia than anyone else in this list
And also acknowledge I am operating on limited information and every player in this game is more likely to be town than mafia regardless of my reasoning.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 387, Ausuka wrote:Regardless I wouldn't scumread you for Nullreading me or scumreading me for reasons that made sense - it's the way you push without showing genuine doubt or consideration and the points that you make while doing so that make me think this is a bad faith push.
I don't think this is accurate in any way.
Well having just been accused for scumslipping just because I responded "maybe I just rolled miller" to wild speculation about how I planned a miller claim with datisi in the scumchat pregame, I think it is accurate in every way.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 389, Donempire wrote:It isnt as unenviable as you make it out to be. As i said, if your morb goes through and she is scum, no way her partner lets her get morbed on a promise. In fact if shes town shes more likely to get morbed come the second day than if shes scum. What you are proposing isnt unique either, it is a iconic gamethrow to force a morb by volunteering to die first. It never goes well
I don't really care if the town doesn't follow through on something it agrees to do.
In post 389, Donempire wrote:It isnt as unenviable as you make it out to be. As i said, if your morb goes through and she is scum, no way her partner lets her get morbed on a promise. In fact if shes town shes more likely to get morbed come the second day than if shes scum. What you are proposing isnt unique either, it is a iconic gamethrow to force a morb by volunteering to die first. It never goes well
I don't really care if the town doesn't follow through on something it agrees to do.
Why even bother dying and putting us in a dilemma then
Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
Formerly Dongempire
In post 387, Ausuka wrote:Regardless I wouldn't scumread you for Nullreading me or scumreading me for reasons that made sense - it's the way you push without showing genuine doubt or consideration and the points that you make while doing so that make me think this is a bad faith push.
I don't think this is accurate in any way.
Well having just been accused for scumslipping just because I responded "maybe I just rolled miller" to wild speculation about how I planned a miller claim with datisi in the scumchat pregame, I think it is accurate in every way.
if I wanted to express 0 doubt in your guilt and yeet you today, I would simply do that.
I am giving you an opportunity for bop because I am uncertain.
for you to turn around and claim that I am scum for "not showing doubt or consideration" is laughably wrong.
In post 387, Ausuka wrote:Regardless I wouldn't scumread you for Nullreading me or scumreading me for reasons that made sense - it's the way you push without showing genuine doubt or consideration and the points that you make while doing so that make me think this is a bad faith push.
I don't think this is accurate in any way.
Well having just been accused for scumslipping just because I responded "maybe I just rolled miller" to wild speculation about how I planned a miller claim with datisi in the scumchat pregame, I think it is accurate in every way.
if I wanted to express 0 doubt in your guilt and yeet you today, I would simply do that.
I am giving you an opportunity for bop because I am uncertain.
for you to turn around and claim that I am scum for "not showing doubt or consideration" is laughably wrong.
Is it though? Because as much as you claim to be considering it, I don't think your actions show it. You push me on anything no matter how little sense it makes, I don't think you're really listening to my explanations at all. Maybe I should stop posting for a while since we've been going around in circles.
I think there is a fair chance you are giving the opportunity for BoP because you are convinced Datisi is going to lim someone other than you and this will lead to a chain of miseliminations.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 389, Donempire wrote:
Well im not doing it on purpose if thats any consolation
While I understand that many players need an adjustment period to get used to new wording, “ly***” is against site rules. Consider this your warning that your adjustment period is almost over.
Some players like “lim” (short for eliminate) as a similar-sounding replacement, but you can use any new word you want.
Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
In post 387, Ausuka wrote:Regardless I wouldn't scumread you for Nullreading me or scumreading me for reasons that made sense - it's the way you push without showing genuine doubt or consideration and the points that you make while doing so that make me think this is a bad faith push.
I don't think this is accurate in any way.
Well having just been accused for scumslipping just because I responded "maybe I just rolled miller" to wild speculation about how I planned a miller claim with datisi in the scumchat pregame, I think it is accurate in every way.
if I wanted to express 0 doubt in your guilt and yeet you today, I would simply do that.
I am giving you an opportunity for bop because I am uncertain.
for you to turn around and claim that I am scum for "not showing doubt or consideration" is laughably wrong.
Is it though? Because as much as you claim to be considering it, I don't think your actions show it. You push me on anything no matter how little sense it makes, I don't think you're really listening to my explanations at all. Maybe I should stop posting for a while since we've been going around in circles.
I think there is a fair chance you are giving the opportunity for BoP because you are convinced Datisi is going to lim someone other than you and this will lead to a chain of miseliminations.
I don't particularly care for "makes sense"
Life doesn't "make sense"
I care for being right.
I think I am right on you being scum.
Nothing you have done so far this game has given me the idea that I'm wrong except maybe that little bit of exasperation you displayed but you hedged that back right away.
What am I even supposed to do with that. You scumread me for reasons that don't make sense and when I point that out you say you don't care that it doesn't make sense because you care about being right.
It's like circular logic. You're right because you're right. Reasoning doesn't matter.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
