Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

[Gamma Emerald]

Thought you were SRing them some D1 as well

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Even if I was, it certainly wasn't a 'singular focus' as you said in your previous post.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

From a quick ISO skim, I didn't even mention Infinity on D1

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I found my elim pool Yesterday and I'm pushing ahead with it Today.

[Klick]

ISO Dunn and look at his interactions around Infinity.

Specifically D2 when I am speaking to him about whether Froggo/Infinity can be scum together.

Notice how he agrees with my push on Infinity, thinks Infinity could be scum, but ends up voting Froggo.

Then notice that Dunn barely interacts with Infinity throughout the entire game.

It's Infinity.

The problem I have here is

Substitute Infinity for froggo

Literally the only difference is that Dunn put a vote on froggo but not Infinity

I have read Dunn's interactions with Infinity, and I have read Infinity in isolation, and I am not convinced that Infinity is scum. I'm asking for more evidence than 'Dunn voted froggo but not Infinity' and I'm not seeing anything.

Like you can continue to insinuate that I'm not reading your posts or the right stuff or whatever but you are trying to show that something is obvious and I'm not seeing it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Furtive was scum reading Dunn and Infinity btw.

I remember someone questioning why they died.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What did you gain from Dunn/Infinity interactions Klick?

[Gamma Emerald]

ISO Dunn and look at his interactions around Infinity.

Specifically D2 when I am speaking to him about whether Froggo/Infinity can be scum together.

Notice how he agrees with my push on Infinity, thinks Infinity could be scum, but ends up voting Froggo.

Then notice that Dunn barely interacts with Infinity throughout the entire game.

It's Infinity.

The problem I have here is

Substitute Infinity for froggo

Literally the only difference is that Dunn put a vote on froggo but not Infinity

I have read Dunn's interactions with Infinity, and I have read Infinity in isolation, and I am not convinced that Infinity is scum. I'm asking for more evidence than 'Dunn voted froggo but not Infinity' and I'm not seeing anything.

Like you can continue to insinuate that I'm not reading your posts or the right stuff or whatever but you are trying to show that something is obvious and I'm not seeing it.

actually this makes me think BBT might be right

[Klick]

What did you gain from Dunn/Infinity interactions Klick?

Nothing significant - they don't really interact

I think that's true for many combinations of people with Dunn (and with Infinity for that matter)

This isn't outside of what I'd expect from either player as either alignment

[Klick]

actually this makes me think BBT might be right

I believe there is likely significance to Dunn's decision to go in on froggo. I originally was thinking along the same lines as BBT is arguing, that the froggo push was +scum for Infinity.

But I think there are other likely explanations for Dunn pushing froggo how he did that make more sense regardless of Infinity's alignment. My running theory is that Dunn thought hard pushing for froggo with legit-looking reasoning at the end of the day would get him townread even with a froggo townflip.

Saving his partner Infinity is a plausible theory for why he voted froggo. I don't think it's the most viable explanation.

[Hiraki]

If it helps BBT, I have more confidence in an Infinity scum flip versus generally anyone else. I'm not sure why everyone is doubting you.

[Aisa]

But Infinity sounds sooo town
My tone reads are famously reliable

[Aisa]

If nothing else a massclaim would be entertaining

[Aisa]

Sigh.

Conf bias is a thing huh.

You wanna engage with anything else I have said or just cherry pick? Have you checked the interaction between Dunn/Frog and Dunn/Infinity to see if what you're saying is actually true?

Hey BBT. Is there anything in the interaction between Dunn/Frog and Dunn/Infinity that you think is notable that you haven't pointed out yet?

Who would you suspect if Infinity flipped town?

[Aisa]

What did you gain from Dunn/Infinity interactions Klick?

Did you think Klick would have gained anything from Dunn/Infinity interactions?

[Aisa]

What made you decide to shoot Dunn btw Klick?

I don't think BBT or Dunn would agree to kill Malakittens

You seemed to be coming around to town!Dunn.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Infinity and Frog were both 'low reads' for Dunnstral.

However, he spent more time interacting and pushing Frog than he did with Infinity. In fact, my whole point is that Dunn barely interacted with Infinity throughout the game but had him as a low read. Why? Why didn't he push this read as hard as he pushed Frog? Why didn't he vote Infinity? Why was Infinity a low read?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

But Infinity sounds sooo town
My tone reads are famously reliable

Why does Infinity sound town?

[Klick]

What made you decide to shoot Dunn btw Klick?

I don't think BBT or Dunn would agree to kill Malakittens

You seemed to be coming around to town!Dunn.

I nearly shot Dunn N1 but decided to give him some time because I like playing with Dunn

I found Dunn very obvious town very quickly in our last game together. Dunn originally stated that he plays slowly in a conversation with me earlier, and I was giving him a slight pass to give me something to work with. But I read back on the game we'd played together and Dunn was obvtown to me far before the point at which we'd had the 'I play slowly' conversation. So I decided that Dunn was just saying that to excuse the fact that I didn't townread him and I wasn't townreading him because he was just scum.

[Aisa]

Infinity and Frog were both 'low reads' for Dunnstral.

However, he spent more time interacting and pushing Frog than he did with Infinity. In fact, my whole point is that Dunn barely interacted with Infinity throughout the game but had him as a low read. Why?

Why didn't he push this read as hard as he pushed Frog?

Why didn't he vote Infinity? Why was Infinity a low read?

I don't agree he pushed frog much harder than Infinity. Not in a way that feels relevant here.

Here is Dunn's ISO.

On day 1, which is until post 38 in his ISO, he does not talk much about froggo or Infinity. I'll give you that he interacts with froggo a bit more and pushed froggo a little, but the difference doesn't seem significant to me.

On day 2:
42 - asks froggo a question about their reasoning - I think this counts as a push on froggo
43 - argues BBT and froggo are not paired scum
47 - asks Infinity why Enchant's doc claim was awful
48 - agrees with BBT's criticism of Infinity's read on Enchant - I think this counts as a push on Inf.ty
50 - says BBT town, BBT not paired with froggo - counts as a push on froggo
52 - says froggo and Inf.ty are not paired
53 - reiterates they are not paired
54 - votes froggo. This is 3 hours before froggo gets hammered and after a lot of people have sussed froggo.
55 - pushes froggo strongly
56 - pushes froggo strongly
57 - pushes froggo strongly
(numbers refer to isolation numbers)

He didn't push either Infinity or froggo very hard until froggo was at significant risk of being the day's elim!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're forgetting that Infinity 'was at significant risk of elim,' too.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

2.06

Votecount 2.06

Infinity 324 (E-2): BlueBloodedToffee, Cat Scratch Fever, Lucian, froggodoggo
froggodoggo (E-2): Hiraki, Klick, Aisa, furtiveglance
furtiveglance (2): Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (1): Dunnstral

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-01 21:16:50).

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Where are his reasons for scum reading Frog?

If you find them, do you think they outweigh his thoughts on Infinity?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The fact he had Infinity as a low read and you're struggling to find any justification for that read should really be setting off red flags.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

2.07

Votecount 2.07

froggodoggo (E-2): Hiraki, Klick, furtiveglance, BlueBloodedToffee
Infinity 324 (3): Cat Scratch Fever, Lucian, froggodoggo
furtiveglance (2): Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2): Dunnstral, Aisa

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-01 21:16:50).

Meh. I suppose some pressure had come off Infinity because I switched wagons.

How annoying.