Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!
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mastina She/HerFalse ProphetShe/Her
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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skitter observes sabbathIn post 3122, Datisi wrote:i am shook scamper is not skitter
so scamper was clearly not skitter :>
she also doesn't use alts last I checked ^^Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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she used alts once and i have no sense of time sorryI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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Gamma Emerald AnySurvivorAny
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WE KNOW!In post 3127, mastina wrote:Hi I reviewed this game.<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”-
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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um all the roles were designed by me. mastina did very little editting.
implosion has not released the review pt yet but mastina did lots of work trying to keep me from scumsiding it even more.
I actually thought this was a very townsided setup.
I am happy to take comments about any balance issues.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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this town had a total of three roles that could "conftown" themselves through nightplay -
2 Vigilantes and 1 Friendly Neighbor. Restrictions were put on these roles along with giving the Mafia a JKer so there would be counterplay aspects.
In addition the town had a Traffic Analyst that was essentially a Neapolitan who could create confirmed innos prior to scum being eliminated - another very powerful role that unfortunately was killed too early.
The scum had a split team of 2 + traitor and the traitor was also a jailkeeper so there would be issues with coordinating between choosing to kill a power role versus blocking it with a JK and possibly causing your team to lose their nightkill - this was designed to create confusion in the night with the vigilantes since it could be that the mafia have their nightkill blocked by their own JK while a vig shot flies through and kills someone.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee-
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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this setup is more wild and multi-layered in terms of nightplay and dayplay.
which would become obvious as soon as the aesthetic miller even night mailman claimed early in d1 - which is essentially what happened and played out more or less how I expected it to.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee-
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Gamma Emerald AnySurvivorAny
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JohnnyFarrar Jack of All Trades
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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In post 3135, Gamma Emerald wrote:My issue is not whether it was balanced
The design philosophy on that game feels nonexistent
the game is designed to be a reflection of a complex moving world where choices intersect and interact with each other in unpredictable ways.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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Crescent She/HerMafia ScumShe/Her
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I have a minute or two between tasklists so full disclosure.
I still thought Bella was probably town, I still don't regret hammering, that replacement is strictly against the rule set I play with and would be denied, and if that situation ever repeats itself, I will immediately hammer in my next post with 0 hesitation or remorse.
That kind of replacement can destroy games. I'll hammer every time regardless of my alignment or what alignment I think the other person is.-
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scamper he/himMafia Scumhe/him
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ya, i think a lot of things kind of worked out...very unfortunately for town hereIn post 3133, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:this town had a total of three roles that could "conftown" themselves through nightplay -
2 Vigilantes and 1 Friendly Neighbor. Restrictions were put on these roles along with giving the Mafia a JKer so there would be counterplay aspects.
In addition the town had a Traffic Analyst that was essentially a Neapolitan who could create confirmed innos prior to scum being eliminated - another very powerful role that unfortunately was killed too early.
The scum had a split team of 2 + traitor and the traitor was also a jailkeeper so there would be issues with coordinating between choosing to kill a power role versus blocking it with a JK and possibly causing your team to lose their nightkill - this was designed to create confusion in the night with the vigilantes since it could be that the mafia have their nightkill blocked by their own JK while a vig shot flies through and kills someone.
the roles were a little weird but i dont think that in and of itself was what caused problems, other than people wrongly clearing johnny for his claimnot actually skitter.-
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JohnnyFarrar Jack of All Trades
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Ausuka she/herTeam Mafia Winnershe/her
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I think this post would be better if you found a way to use the word simpleIn post 3139, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 3135, Gamma Emerald wrote:My issue is not whether it was balanced
The design philosophy on that game feels nonexistent
the game is designed to be a reflection of a complex moving world where choices intersect and interact with each other in unpredictable ways.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Ausuka she/herTeam Mafia Winnershe/her
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I'm not going to complain about the setup because my play in this game sucked hard but I think like
This setup was fine but not what I wanted when I signed up for a mini normal I guess? I think this would have made a fun mini theme. It seemed kind of scumsided but that's a matter of personal taste and maybe in another run people will call it townsided. I think with all the simple and complex roles, a lot basically comes down to chance. I think the simple vig is a bit trolly because it can't shoot maf but unlike a loyal vig can't play around that because it doesn't know, but I don't have a fundamental problem with anything else I guess. I complained about my role but it was kind of funny I have to admitNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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the simple vig can eliminate limbait VTs and also flush out a mafia hiding in the VT claims by essentially acting as a vanilla cop against PRs.
it was designed as a mirror opposite to the Simple Doctor/Voyeur the scum had - which was essentially a "framer" of sorts for the Vanilla Vig. (it would not make sense for me to design 2 vanilla cops for the town in convoluted ways)
also the difference between the vigs being one shot novice and full ungated was a hint towards the composition of the scum team [which were multi-tasking by default]Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee-
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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also if the traffic analyst creates an inno on N1, that inno is essentially conftown and could be protected by the simple doc and that would be a pretty strong interaction - combined with 2 vigs + an FN it's a lot for a scum team to deal with.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee-
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scamper he/himMafia Scumhe/him
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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yesIn post 3147, scamper wrote:the doc is mafia, though >.>
my point is that the interaction is too strong - hence you should be able to reason the doctor is not town aligned.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee-
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Ausuka she/herTeam Mafia Winnershe/her
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I mean that's fair but I don't think there's any way any of us could have put that together
Maybe dats cos he knows you really well and is an NRG member but even then he didn't seem to
W/ the simple vig, that's fair and it's not strictly negative utility but also like... Let the man shoot scums smh
Pedit: i mean, a doctor protecting a clear does not seem like the sort of thing the nrg would not pass in a normal game? maybe that's just my lack of knowledge but I don't see how I'm supposed to know any of thisNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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