LOST (Game Over)

[Taly]

y'all that took 2 hours whegfw3rtefrnthge43rq2e

im clocked out, ill vote tmrw

[Taly]

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i shouldve been in bed 30 minutes ago so im not doing a huge post here

needless to say, my reads have been wrong at every point so far, so im confident that im being misted somewhere.

it's very likely scum were on both sides of the gladiate, and i wonder if

ceph

was the elimination due to having better reads outside of his push onto me.

rad/pooky/dp/csf/luke

are townreads, many others are leans, majority in the PoE.

>

Johnny

I haven't heard a thing from you during the gladiate other than me being town, I'm going to need some convincing to believe that read at the moment.
>

Math

, why did you spend a whole back-and-forth trying to gauge for justification to vote

ceph

and then pivot back to me when

Luke

gave reasoning?
>

RCE

you were very similar in the regard of changing votes off little provocation, I want you to justify your votes.
>

Gamma

, remind me why you chose to push

Bell

!scum when it wasn't an opportunity? What happened to that read in light of

Enchant

!scum?
>

Pooky

, what is your read on

T-Bone

?
>

Drap

, walk me through that wolf PoE.
>

Bella

, I don't remember a thing from your posts, what are your reads?
>

Roden/Dwlee

, have you guys had the chance to interact with each other much?
>

Titus

, are you feeling better? How would you read the VCA of

Taly V Ceph

? I'm also failing to see the connection of

BBT

-scum, but my brain is tired at the moment.
>

T-Bone

, why do a gloat post when 3 town are dead?
>

Mislim Bait

, where are you at with the catch-up? Do you need any help in following this hell of a game thread?

VOTE: Mathblade

vote's best served here,

frogs

was my other strongest scumread.

luke

sharing that feels like a genuine mindmeld. this makes the most sense.

vla til 7/22 need to prioritize work and mental health

Taly has returned. Day won't start until i get off work.

\o/

Welcome back! <3

hey <3

i really thought id be "on" with input upon daystart but im dissociating and colors are changing hue so uh

ill start with relaying

bell PT

paraphrase, then go into

Math/Corwin/Bella

ISOs for partner searches

i caught that

drap

tracked

bella

visiting

bell

, with

bella's

scumflip, that conftowns

drap

imo.

Spoiler: Page 1: The Misadventures of Toogeloo and Bel

Page 1: The Misadventures of Toogeloo and Bell

Opens with

Toog

saying that they are recovering from their accident and that they might be VLA.

Bell

acknowledges, laughs at

Boone/Shannon

flavor, marvels at a 26p game,

Bell

lightly susses

Pooky

and then considers he shouldn't out his reads in a PT.
Hours pass,

Toog

asks to be caught up on the game.

Bell

is reluctant to give anything, and says that

Toog

undeservingly asked for a pass in the thread.

Toog

reiterates that they are neighbors,

Bell

agrees, no further dialogue of them continues.

Taly replaces into the game

I greet

Bell

, and warm his heart with snoopy GIFs, he doesn't seem interested.
I ask his thoughts about

Tbone's

1034

post... since he seemed cautious to his slot, I wanted to know how he reacted to a target from another player.

Bell

replies in bullets, synopsis:

>

He admits to being an omguser.

>

Confused because

Tbone

is attacking the most active players. Says it's due to disinterest in meta and that he will be read correctly eventually.

>

Says it's natural for

Tbone

to dislike people who enjoy thread control. Says they aren't manipulative as scum.

>

Bored with people he pushes having IRL issues, wanted to push

Dwlee

.

>

Null on

Enchant

>

Gives heads-up that he will begin attacking

Pooky's

desire for mass readslist allocation, I don't recall him following through.

Bell

doesn't know who dislikes him V who is scum. Inquires on why I asked him in the PT rather than in the game-thread.

Spoiler: Page 2: Taly/Bell Intro

Page 2: Taly/Bell Intro

My reply:

>

I stated I had 2 contrasting ideas about

Pooky

for why he wants to mass readslist. In agreement with

Bell's

suspicion but I also didn't think it mattered too much D1 in a 26p so the push against an agreeable strategy to find a consensus in a 26p game struck me as town-indicative.

>

I told

Bell

that I asked in the PT because I wanted his POV outside of the filter of 20+ players, I wanted to see if his game-thread and PT perspective had dissonance.

Bell and I

shitpost some, he says that he autotowned himself.

Bell

says he doesn't want my blood... that much.
Two headmates of mine,

Umbra

and

Sol

, give non-related game but

Sol

asks why

Bell

doesn't pursue his scumread on me.

Bell

never answers

Sol's

question.

Bell

says he can't decide

BBT's

alignment. Nothing else is discussed.

I admit that my focus is to townhunt to

Bell

and he states issue with

Math's

posts and wants

Roden

to be present in the thread

Spoiler: Page 3: Taly V Bell

Page 3: Taly V Bell

I told him my townread of

Dunn

was deleted. I say that

Luke's

pivot onto my wagon is opportunistic. I also say that I had difficulty posting around this point.

Bell

says that he had encouraged me to post and that I hardly did so. He said that my defense is NAI. I post thoughts on the current wagons feeling manufactured and he doesn't reply for an entire day.

During this point, I am gladiated and

Bell

is effectively done with giving input and is instead back to wanting my elimination.

I ask

Bell

who he thinks I'm getting snowed by becuase I believed

Ceph

scum had partners who were buddying me. Also because

Tbone

suggested

Drap/Pooky/Nancy

and I wanted a perception check. I also call-out

OTH

pushing

Bell

right as

OTH

starts to hard townread me. And I suspected

Math

because he spent time trying to force

RCE

to justify his

Ceph

-vote but pivoted back onto wanting my elimination the second

Luke

gave reason to vote me. It felt like

Math

was covering his bases.

I also disagreed with the narrative that

Tbone

was masterminding

Ceph's

decisions to gladiate like I believed

Pooky

implied. I doubled down on my

Nancy/Titus

townread because I genuinely do not believe this is their scumrange here.

I reiterated my scumcase on

Ceph

in the PT and furthermore state doubt in my townread of

Johnny

because

Ceph's

major justification for the gladiate was because I replied to a post

Johnny

prompted, and it felt disingenuous because

Ceph

had listed

Johnny

suspicion far before he gladiated me.

At this point, I no longer suspect

Luke

as I did earlier and say so. I tell

Bell

that the suspicion in each other's alignments is

mutual

.

Bell

agreed with

Nancy

townread, ignored

Gamma's

push, could see the arguments against

Mathblade/Frogs

but thinks

Pooky

is wrong somewhere here. Doesn't think

Tbone

is scum, doesn't understand

Johnny

, and says that

Ceph's

tone is mild regardless of alignment if that works for them. Townreads

Luke

because his ego is showing.

Gladiate concludes.

Bell

is happy he was right about

Ceph

.

I'm disheartened at this point and let my disappointment be known with a bunch of puppy gifs, and state that my solve needs to be rethought again. I apologized for not getting to his PT post above sooner. I return to my suspicion of

Math/RCE

back-and-forth, didn't believe

Tbone

had any unreasonable posting throughout the gladiate, and noted to revisit

Johnny

slot. I suggest a pool of

OtH/Math/RCE

.

Bell

asks me if I would apologize like this as scum.

I told

Bell

that

Ceph

made a post relating to my frustration that people believe I AtE and emotionally manipulate for personal gain, and that isn't reflective of how I play mafia.
In retrospect,

Ceph's

post being town further soured my realization of being wrong and that he didn't have an agenda.

Spoiler: Page 4: Taly/Bell Townside

Page 4: Taly/Bell Townside

Bell

says he deals almost exclusively with rage!scum

Pooky

and surprised he wasn't called out for not pushing

Pooky

for his outburst V

Tbone

. But says

Pooky

is bothered off of a difference in perception and playstyle.

Bell

says he doesn't think

Ceph's

townflip would incriminate me more than I already was.... like ouch.

Bell

says

Titus'

vote on

Roden

post mason-claim is genuinely anti-town but

Nancy

doesn't feel unsuual.

I tell

Bell

I have difficulty reading

Pooky

because we have a history of mislim/1v1, I ask if there's any manner that he's seen

Pooky

!town when passionate.
I ask him if I'm getting pocketed by

Johnny

.
I ask his thoughts on

Pooky/Tbone

just being S/S theatre.
I tell

Bell

that anyone can look at my wagon from D1 and say that I was longest running wagon that wasn't resolved, and that a case against me is easy.
I comment my surprise that

Luke/Klick/Dunn

didn't get much pushback for wanting to out masons.

Bell and I go into a sync of information, point by point.

Bell

says

Gamma

dive tackling random people when wagons occur is common in their playstyle... I told

Bell

I'd pull their teeth for info, it was part of my D2 opening questions.

Bell

says hydra partners lean heavily on

Nancy

when scum... I told

Bell

that I can see that, but tripled down on my

Nancy

townread.

Bell

said he only had 1 game with a

Pooky

meltdown as town and that was this one... I told him not to bother to link if it's inconvenient. We drop this conversation.

Bell

suspected

Johnny

for obvtowning my slot after a post that he thought of mine that was very benign. He wondered if

Johnny

townread me out of sarcasm... I noted that

Johnny

was the quickest slot to give me a pass and the quietest one in my defense. It prompted my question to him D2.

Bell

says he leans town on

Pooky

with a lot of caution... I tell him I have 6+ players in PoE

{Math/OtH/BBT/RCE/Frogs/Johnny/Dunn}

Bell

says that he doesn't think

Math

is genuine when he mentions the kill

Dunn

[b/]

/block

Frogs

post, I tell him that it scumpings me since it sounds like a plan he's thinking of (otherwise, why say it?), and ask

Bell

if he thinks that is a red herring.

I ask

Bell

if there's any statement about roleblocker prior to

Math's

speculation of one.

Bell

says it isn't unreasonable to consider a roleblocker.

Bell

says

Math

usually references the idea of knowing scum's plans.

Bell

said

Math's

ideas are convoluted, but in this game,

Math

is just saying 2+2=4, scum can stop town actions.

I gave

Bell

2 possibilities emphasizing my read:

Math

is informed, which is why his ideas are non-complex. If anything, his post is rolefishy.

Math

was sick at the time and isn't thinking very clearly.

One was an NAI interpretation, and the other scum-indicative.

Spoiler: Page 5: Day 2 Dawns

Page 5: Day 2 Dawns

I ask

Bell

if I'm confbiasing my scumread on

Frogs

, as it remained in light of

Ceph's

flip. I felt their entire D1 progression was opportunistic with the vote flips.

I emphasize my stress because now since

TalyVCeph

was a TvT, I don't know how scum sided or who in my reads is snowing me V genuinely pushing me.

I ask

Bell

his townreads.

Bell

townreads

CSF/Dwlee/Roden/Luke/Nancy/Pooky

. I mindmelded with this and voice that, specifically because

CSF/Luke

felt to be the most reasoned in the push against my slot during gladiate and their counterpoints made sense to me.

Nancy/Pooky

were already townreads, and

Dwlee/Roden

are claimed masons.

Bell

said my suspicion of

Frogs

is reasonable.

We bullshit more, we talk about favorite ice cream flavor, he likes coffee ice cream but dislikes actual coffee I give him twerking GIFs

I add

Rad

to my townpool because I felt his disapproval with the questionable tone during gladiate to be more aligned with a town-perspective. Scum more often exploits unproductive discourse, not chastises it.

Bell

agrees but says that scum is also capable of doing this for credit. He's not confident about it.

Spoiler: Page 6: Taly and Bell are thrown in the deep dark abyss and this PT becomes but a note for Taly as he slowly slips into insanity

Page 6: Taly and Bell are thrown in the deep dark abyss and this PT becomes but a note for Taly as he slowly slips into insanity

Bell

says my opening D2 questions were "not bad"

Bothered that D2 is like a repeat of D1.

I lose contact with the game at this point.

[Taly]

what happened to this game, how have i not been p-edited by 30 posts so far wtf

[Roden]

Math and Luke died

[Taly]

i am aware, im adding

luke

to my ISO next to

math/cor/bella

[butterflies]

I really wish I was in a hood with Taly. <3

[butterflies]

Math and Luke died

And Enchant was arguably the most anti-town vt ever.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Interesting that scum didn't want to kill Luke until he was conftown'd. They considered him a bigger threat than the Masons, but not enough that he was a bigger threat than Bell.

Perhaps it had something to do with Bell’s reads.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Will you be able to talk to Dunn and Frog on day 3?

Potentially one of them. I only have one more shot.

There some reason you didn't find Mala's announcement weird or anything? They claimed they could talk to dead people and only really retracted it a lot later.

Ah Luke asked. Would rather you had used it both times first. Before saying anything it would have made you easier to read but oh well.

Could lead to Mala or Best Bird.
Best Bird theoretically could have killed last night because of the “don’t track same person twice rule” it’s not directly a rule more so as it’s not common and I don’t normally do it.

Mala I think looks worse though.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Alright so here’s my tracker actions:
N1:CSF - Action Failed
N2:Bella - Visited Bell
N3:Best Bird - Didn’t Visit
N4:MisLim Bait - Didn’t Visit

Still think Taly is cleared because of Bella’s push on them to pull the thread away from the math wagon.
Also still think Johnny is town and Doctor.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah except we aren’t limming mala or best bird today. Especially bird since he’s our potential link with Luke.

[ProfessorDrapion]

what happened to this game, how have i not been p-edited by 30 posts so far wtf

Your aware I caught Bella yes?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah except we aren’t limming mala or best bird today. Especially bird since he’s our potential link with Luke.

Why are you town?
Why can’t we vote you today?

[Taly]

i caught that drap tracked bella visiting bell, with bella's scumflip, that conftowns drap imo.

[butterflies]

Will you be able to talk to Dunn and Frog on day 3?

Potentially one of them. I only have one more shot.

There some reason you didn't find Mala's announcement weird or anything? They claimed they could talk to dead people and only really retracted it a lot later.

Ah Luke asked. Would rather you had used it both times first. Before saying anything it would have made you easier to read but oh well.

Could lead to Mala or Best Bird.
Best Bird theoretically could have killed last night because of the “don’t track same person twice rule” it’s not directly a rule more so as it’s not common and I don’t normally do it.

Mala I think looks worse though.

I think BB is town. Taly is still bleeding obvtown. My theory is that Bella was probably on Math n1 because of Dunn vig soft and she made the Bell kill because her role was probably no longer useful to scum. I no longer think strongman exists or Drap would be dead. It is interesting that scum was more afraid of Luke than trying to presumably go after whomever might be town doc protecting him.

Maybe it’s because Drap despite hitting it out of the freaking park with Bella is maybe going after the wrong slots? Scum apparently aren’t too worried about either medium or masons.

[Taly]

{Drap/Roden/butterchurn)

are off the lim table

and I townread

Rad/CSF/Pooky/Nancy/T-Bone

also I remember people doubting

C&G's

posting restriction validity and I thought that was a lot of fluff for no reason. Why?

[butterflies]

Yeah except we aren’t limming mala or best bird today. Especially bird since he’s our potential link with Luke.

Why are you town?
Why can’t we vote you today?

I don’t think RCE is scum here. I either currently tr or tl all but 5 slots rn. I’ve pretty much cleared almost everyone off Enchant wagon.

[Best Bird]

Yeah except we aren’t limming mala or best bird today. Especially bird since he’s our potential link with Luke.

Luke isn’t pooky or a claimed role that could have info.

[Rad]

So I know people hate meta, but I read Newbie 2095 during the break and both Roden and Mala as town in that game played completely different than whatever they're doing here. Both were thoughtful and full of analysis, and both leader types, even on Mala's alt. Like I read Roden as hard town almost immediately and it never dropped.

Is it ridiculous to doubt the mason claims here? I get it could be town complacence being "confirmed" but holy shit, it's like a different person. If we have some way to confirm one way or the other, that would be great, though I'm guessing we do not at this point without a flip, and no need to flip a mason claim at this stage I think?

I'd ask both of them to step up their game if town. I dunno if Mala's trying to push a new goof around town meta or something, but there's so much lost compared to how both of them played in 2095.

[Best Bird]

Love to hear Taly’s reasons for the off the table and town reads group. Off the table especially.

[Best Bird]

Wasn’t going to mention Rad, but I don’t like that post at all.

[butterflies]

{Drap/Roden/butterchurn)

are off the lim table

and I townread

Rad/CSF/Pooky/Nancy/T-Bone

also I remember people doubting

C&G's

posting restriction validity and I thought that was a lot of fluff for no reason. Why?

I strongly mindmeld with most of this. Agree with everyone you have off the table and agree with most of the other trs.

I think DNA is town because Ircher sounds like town!Ircher as does RH9 and that paraphrase with Math in their hood reads like Math was unsuccessfully trying to get them to do his bidding by attempting to drive a miselim on us but had to back down to hold onto their DNA pocket. Plus Bella wanted to kill them > Math.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we know there's guranteed to be 5 scum so once we get 4 dead baddies the masons become conftown

and if we get to like 5 player elo and the 2 masons r still alive with 2 scum left

uh i guess we can make a decision then? lol

[Rad]

Taly's "off the table" list is pretty obvious if you believe the masons are off the table. Are you suspicious of drap or something BB?

[Taly]

So I know people hate meta, but I read Newbie 2095 during the break and both Roden and Mala as town in that game played completely different than whatever they're doing here. Both were thoughtful and full of analysis, and both leader types, even on Mala's alt. Like I read Roden as hard town almost immediately and it never dropped.

Is it ridiculous to doubt the mason claims here? I get it could be town complacence being "confirmed" but holy shit, it's like a different person. If we have some way to confirm one way or the other, that would be great, though I'm guessing we do not at this point without a flip, and no need to flip a mason claim at this stage I think?

I'd ask both of them to step up their game if town. I dunno if Mala's trying to push a new goof around town meta or something, but there's so much lost compared to how both of them played in 2095.

Unless you believe

butterchurn+Roden

are partners to

Math/Bella

, I don't think it's optimal to go down that line of thinking.

Love to hear Taly’s reasons for the off the table and town reads group. Off the table especially.

Wasn’t going to mention Rad, but I don’t like that post at all.

Because I'm not going to argue the validity of roles that are either conftown or have made actions that are very protown? Especially when there's 15 other players?

And I stand by my reasons for my townreads made around D1/D2, I'll read up but I don't think is a good time to reevaluate them.