In post 11257, Taly wrote:I want you and butterchurn to flesh out your votes.
Sure. Here's some posts to look at.
In post 10735, Lukewarm wrote:Oh, just a general announcement of reads update. My read of Rad has tanked from upber town read -> null.
I am aware that lots of people still town read him, so don't really feel like touching that any time soon.
In post 10745, Lukewarm wrote:I kinda feel like scum!Rad would explain the Bell kill, since Bell could have been seen as the obstacle for scum!rad being able to end game.
In post 10757, Lukewarm wrote:I did not find his progression on Bella believable at all really.
By contrast, even though you were both arguing to save Bella, I did find yours believable
Progression when? Pre or post track reveal?
post.
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
It was the
"wow no one is even thinking about this, occam's razzor says that bella is town because of the track result"
to
"oh shucks, you guys convinced me. it would be actually a crazy series of coincidences needed for Bella to be town"
to
"Actually, here is a (quite flawed btw) plan on how to leash Bella to prove that she is town"
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In post 10272, Rad wrote:
Nah everyone jumped on Bella without any analysis, is why I'm comparing it to RVS.
Actually Occam's Razor given the likelihood of Bella being an actual doc based on flavor is that town!Bella sat on Bell and Bell is macho so now he's dead.
You gotta deny Bella's a doc at all for there to be a better Occam's Razor cause the scum!Bella doc scenarios are complicated.
Rad shows up, and his strongest theory is cg+math S/S. Chooses to be the first vote on C/G instead of the 4th vote on Math
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In post 8038, Rad wrote:Mod makes up post limitation as a game design element and ignores it? I don't buy it.
Player gets limitation and doesn't care what happens if they go over? I don't buy it.
2129 isn't a naked quote, it's a quote from one of the hydra's players who accidentally posted under the wrong account. If the player didn't accidentally post it under the wrong account, it would have been a 2 word post under the C&G account.
Fake post restriction.
VOTE: Cytosine and Guanine
Also Corwin must not have asked C&G about the penalty either. Seems like a pretty reasonable thing to ask if you're town and want to know what happens if they go over it. I mean why not? That's not something we want them explaining when they're restricted to 100 words. But Corwin/Math could have easily found out if they cared and let us all know.
In post 8041, Cytosine and Guanine wrote:@Rad So you think our hood is SvS? Okay, it's not impossible, but it's like very taboo. I should know having subverted that expectation in the past.
~Cytosine
Yeah I would read this scenario as a SvS neighborhood.
I have no clue if that's likely or not but the general consensus seems to be that neighborhoods were random in this game, so all combinations are possible.
We've got some great options here to discuss tonight!
First up we've got our most popular target in both Day 1 and Day 2. Mathblade!!
Next up we've got... BlueBloodedToffee!
BBT was the most excited person to get this game together. I bet most of you are in here because he messaged you in some way to get you to join! Siiiick. He also likes to skip out for long periods of time, complain about how much has happened since he last visited, and then proceed to spam page tops more effectively than anyone! Of his 292 posts, approximately 276 of them are pagetops! KING!
BBT is notoriously difficult to read with masterful blending of town and scum play styles, or in other words, both his town and scum play are incredibly scummy! Which one is he this time?? Don't bother with that meta nonsense, says his signature, cause BBT screams scum no matter what so just stop it don't bother!!
BBT has been especially good at naked votes this game, where he strips hi... I mean, where he votes for someone with no specified reason. This is a new term for me cause I'm a newbie and I love sharing my newbie status with people. Cool!
BBT loves VCA unless your VCA points to him, in which case it's absolute shit and you should feel embarassed for it wtf is wrong with you? Level 0.
BBT is a great counter wagon to just about anyone. If you see a wagon gaining momentum and you want to stop it, just vote for BBT. BOOM instant competing 3-6 person BBT wagon!
Next we have... Cytosine and Guanine aka C&G aka CaG aka cg aka DNA?? aka Jin
C&G could only speak up to 100 words during day 1. This is a legit restriction that the mod gave them. I bet you can't guess what the penalty is if you go over. Can you? Can you guess it? I mean not that you'd want to guess it, you could just ask the mod, but why would you do that? And why would their neighbor ask about it? Booooring. Also fuck the mod, let's go over 100 words anyway. It's not like we have a neighbor who could literally "translate" to the rest of town like in the show Lost that this restriction seems based on. Nah that's stupid just hit 103 words and give the mod the middle finger and let's move onto our next and last entry...
Malcolm!
Malcolm is currently writing an action horror novel staring Rad (that's me!). Follow Rad's character as the narrator describes in excrutiating details all the scummy shit only someone like Rad could pull off. There's no move Rad makes that isn't precicely calculated with the singular goal of town muuurrrdeerrrr.
Malcolm has also recently unlocked the "fastest 3 votes" achievement. Congrats! Luke will be giving out this award later in your neighborhood where you can defend Rad's town creds back and forth before you realize he's not just a character in your spy romance novel, he's... puurrree eeeviiiillll!
I'll just wait here and vote with town when town's ready so let's go town, let's vote out the scum!
Like really. He leans scum on Math. Sees literally all of his town reads on Math. Voting Math is apparently a struggle for him
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In post 9150, Rad wrote:The top 2 wagons right now are uneventful from my perspective.
6 Mathblade (Lukewarm, Bell, Taly, Cat Scratch Fever, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma)
3 Bluebloodedtoffee (Mathblade, Roden, Off the Hook)
Math is full of my town reads and town leans, but I'm not super confident in my own reads
BBT has Math which I scum lean, Roden which is a supposed mason which I just accept but have no real read on, and OTH which I have null atm
And then a bunch of 1 person wagons.
If I had to choose between those right now, as a gladiate, I flip Math, but I'm not super confident in it.
Which combine the above with the way he treated Bella. He has poor interactions with both flipped scum's wagons imo.
In post 9854, Bellaphant wrote:it was Luke or bell for me and I assumed if another doc then prolly on other obv! town
I kinda want to read this as the scum team really was debating between me and Bell that night on who to kill. So those were the two that she claimed to be debating protecting.
And why kill Bell over Luke? - we are both widely town read. we both look good on the math flip. we both claimed neighbor (and I had even been dropping hints all game that I am more then a neighbor)
But. Luke has Rad as #1 Town Read. Bell has Rad as scum Read.
I don't actually know of any other read off the top of my head that we disagreed on. (could be wrong, but Bell did not do a reads list day 2 for me to compare to.)
And then basically all of his posting today.
His Paranoia solve flies in the face of his own presented play this game.
In post 10989, Rad wrote:I think this game is scum driven and bus heavy, but that seems ridiculous and I dunno how scum pooky or Luke get to end game without being obv scum so it's whatever.
I know I've been afraid to say this
which makes me think scum has created an environment where it doesn't feel comfortable to speak up, and the lurker types certainly aren't causing that. But hey fuck it
He is acting like this paranoia has been here for a while, but he was too afraid to speak on it. But that simply does not match his play.
When he was thinking about not killing Bella, I was the single person in the whole player list that he reached out to, by name, to do a "sanity check"
In post 11033, Lukewarm wrote:Like, are you seriously arguing that people should think that you cannot be partnered with Math, because you made a post where you outlined the top 4 wagons (one of which happened to be Math).
Because, to be clear, your post gives big "one of which happen to be Math" energy.
If you want to argue that your post was the catalyst for some of the people to vote math, then sure. But that speaks more on those people. The people who looked at the 4, and when given those 4 options made a choice. Then it does about the person who made the list of 4 people.
I looked back to remember why I felt we were "stalled". These posts were what drove my big post:
In post 9429, Bell wrote:I think it has more to do with this town than it has to do with Mathblade.
Whatever people want out of mafia they aren't getting so they won't eliminate anyone until they get whatever it is.
I wanted to motivate town to join in on a single wagon, whether that was my c&g one or one of the others.
This selection of posts feels tailor made to make it look like you expected it to kill of Math....
The posts immediately proceeding your presenter posts included a lot about momentum onto C/G.
Doubting their claim. I actually think that they did have a posting restriction, but I don't believe that the punishment was death and it was not made clear to them.
Seems more likely to me, that the actually affect of breaking the posting restriction would be one that they don't want to tell the class.
I also have not gotten good vibes from them since they have lifted their posting restriction.
I also had a thought at the time of the flips, that if the mafia did kill Frog, then that would make sense in a world with scum C/G, given they were one of the 2 total suggestions made for Frog to Rolecop. (Dunn and i suggested dunn, roden suggested C/G).
And that thought came back when C/G just joined the discussion to advocate for you targeting Dunn over Frog.
In post 9196, Save The Dragons wrote:Not Voting (Bellaphant, butterchurn, Best Bird, JohnnyFarrar, Malakittens, MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Off the Hook)
Also this
In post 9433, Bell wrote:C&G is off, but I can smell the fake role posturing from here.
If they're actually just neighbor VT here they're playing exceptionally badly as either alignment.
I'll leave a 0 star review on their yelp page.
In post 9196, Save The Dragons wrote:Not Voting (Bellaphant, butterchurn, Best Bird, JohnnyFarrar, Malakittens, MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Off the Hook)
Also this
mmm...they still aren't voting....i don't like that
In post 11328, butterchurn wrote:Malcolm, did Luke say anything during the night, or anything in general that he'd want us to know after his death?
Sadly not, presume he may have been busy. The only post between us was one where I actually asked him what he thought of CSF, who I'd been growing a bit unsure about on a gut-level, but never heard back from him by the time this turn kicked off.
In post 11305, MalcolmTucker wrote:Would it, though, given the logic here dictates Rad would be unlikely to do it? Luke is a strong town-player and was basically confirmed town. Rad (or anyone who Luke suspected) can surely argue away that scum would want Luke out the game because it's ultimately always going to be beneficial for them.
Why are you wary again re Johnny? I thought we were pretty solid on Johnny being town now post-D2?
from what im gathering, i think rad is slightly still in the noob stage so i think they would be more worried about appearances and not think through 100% what they could do to fix it.
im wary of johnny because of a mini normal that just finished where he was scum imo it seems pretty similar to his play here
Rad is definitely a clever player though and has a strong knowledge of what's going on in the game, it's not impossible, especially if Luke strongly TR'd any potential teammates at all.
In post 11308, Rad wrote:Who besides me do you think is scum Malcolm?
As I've outlined above, I'm increasingly of the belief CSF could be scum. Didn't think much of them as potential mafia early on but felt they'd been quiet last turn and the links between them/Bella look reasonable as two scum-mates who potentially defended each other a fair bit early on before Cat bussed at the right time.
I think I'm hindsight Bella was working very hard to pocket me
In post 11296, Mislim Bait wrote:If one of rad/malcolm flip scum then the other is always town
same goes for oth/mala they're claims sort of conflict with each other
OtH is town regardless of what Mala is.
~Nancyfly
(We did this in Chromavalon so if I remember, I’ll try to keep doing this.)
In post 11308, Rad wrote:Who besides me do you think is scum Malcolm?
As I've outlined above, I'm increasingly of the belief CSF could be scum. Didn't think much of them as potential mafia early on but felt they'd been quiet last turn and the links between them/Bella look reasonable as two scum-mates who potentially defended each other a fair bit early on before Cat bussed at the right time.
I think I'm hindsight Bella was working very hard to pocket me
It's possible but they did throw in a null-read there at one point. I don't think it's beyond Bella to have townread a potential teammate.
Out of interest, who else do you reckon is scum other than Johnny? I liked the case on Johnny early game but struggling to see it following Math's elimination.
In post 11342, MalcolmTucker wrote:Out of interest, who else do you reckon is scum other than Johnny? I liked the case on Johnny early game but struggling to see it following
Because I want the guy who's supposedly talking to Ceph in a PT to give his opinion on my scum read? "town enough for now" as the reasoning is so disappointing.
imo it seems pretty similar to his play here
How does Math's elimination rule out Johnny?