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Post Post #1050 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:35 am

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In post 1047, Datisi wrote:@xayah is there a reason you keep avoiding my questions about your d1 reads?
mmmmmm I don't have much to say about them? I feel like I explained why I had you both at the bottom pretty clearly. What more do you want to know?
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Post Post #1051 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:42 am

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why were you townreading galron on entrance
why did you drop him later

link me where you explained me/ausuka?
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Post Post #1052 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:42 am

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In post 1048, MegAzumarill wrote:Coral I heavily townread.
?
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Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:48 am

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Coral all throughout the game has been very analytical, nuanced, and her thoughts feel really grounded within the game. It's evident that they are trying to solve the game beyond just a surface level to try and appear townie.
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Post Post #1054 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:48 am

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In post 1028, Xayah wrote:I mean I thought Dati/Aus had to have one but I mistook it with familiarly over TMI (woo how fun ty for explaining that to me could've avoided this mess)
I think that this is quite silly especially given that the familiarity
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Post Post #1055 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:48 am

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I believe I explicitly stated we were friends, fwiw?
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Post Post #1056 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:51 am

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In post 1053, MegAzumarill wrote:Coral all throughout the game has been very analytical, nuanced, and her thoughts feel really grounded within the game. It's evident that they are trying to solve the game beyond just a surface level to try and appear townie.
I agree with this and it makes me feel a little better about Meg I guess because I feel coral is being pushed by most people and scum Meg is kinda unlikely to take this angle. I know it could be wifom, but the end result is that they are put in a difficult position if they ever need to vote Coral which seems quite likely given their unfortunate position in the game. (Sorry dats if they're the last wolf LMAO)
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Post Post #1057 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:51 am

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In post 1055, Ausuka wrote:I believe I explicitly stated we were friends, fwiw?
Yes, and even without that it was pretty clear. I think hiding behind the "I don't know anyone here that well or how well you know each other" is a way to craft a believable reason for feeling some unexplained impure energy that can be dropped whenever convenient.
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Post Post #1058 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:55 am

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The amount of cherrypicknig and incorrect assumptions is so funny.

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Post Post #1059 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:58 am

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I'm excited to hear all about them!! :)
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Post Post #1060 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:11 am

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In post 1030, Xayah wrote:scamper feels good
In post 1033, Xayah wrote:As long as the Elims are me Meg Coral game ends so shrug.jpg

(Well I need to read Dat more but give me a bit on that)
In post 603, Xayah wrote:If I was to order the murkey pool in order of likelihood to be a wolf it'd prob go scamper>Coral>Galron
You should also probably explain why you're willing to bet the game on a "scamper feels good" given that your most recent read there had them above only Datisi/Ausuka.
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Post Post #1061 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:13 am

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In post 1041, Ausuka wrote:Fwiw I don't think Coral saying Phoenix looked 'slightly towny' in the early game really indicates confidence.
You can say whatever you want, but the actions speak for themselves. Just because someone says they're slightly towny it's still enough to express the fact that they're in your town pile and aren't going to vote them for the time being. It would raise a view eyebrows if you openly just defended your mafia goon so early esp if Coral was in the mindset that Ph0 was getting wolfread so early on that would make anyone have pause and on a reread look bad. All you need to do is put someone as a slight villager and there ya go.
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Post Post #1062 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:16 am

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In post 1044, Coral wrote:
In post 97, Coral wrote:Phoenix's persistence is slightly towny, I think.
This was where I originally stated the read. Extreme confidence, here!

In I respond to your questioning of it and clarify my reasoning. I don't think any of my language here portrays confidence. I examine both sides and state that I lean towards one of those sides.

In , similarly, I respond to scamper's questioning of it, and I explain again. Here my language is a bit less hedgey, I suppose, but it's still on the same original point.

In , I talk to scamper about how I wasn't that confident in the read but it was fun exploring it together :)

I don't think that in any of those I express much confidence in the read. Your approach to the questioning is also much scummier than scamper's, by the way, because he was examining my reasoning to try to sort me individually. You were focused on Phoenix and making sure that you clarified that you weren't willing to vote the slot, without explaining way, but that other people's reasoning behind their townreads were
bad
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Doubling down on a read is enough confidence you need. You don't need to openly say "I am confidence in X" to display it in the way you play and show yourself around a player (and you did.) Also nothing you've said in your last bulk explains why such actions are wolfy. No, I wasn't trying to sort you I was trying to find your logic on another player. You can say someone did XYZ but without explaining why that's wolfy it's just throwing shade with no logic to back up any of your statements.

Explaining logic isn't hard, making up reasons isn't hard. For a new player? Maybe. Actions speak louder than words. Just because someone doesn't go into full detail on every little thing doesn't make them a wolf and I'd like to think you know that.
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Post Post #1063 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:18 am

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I don't really understand what you're trying to say. Of course I wouldn't necessarily expect Coral to hard townread their scumbuddy but the argument you were making was based on the premise that Coral had a high degree of confidence in this read and therefore it's strange that she changed it over time. Based on what she actually posted I think this interpretation is wrong. Given that I'm not Coral I'm not sure why you're speaking as if I have an ulterior motive in defending her here, unless you think there are three mafia in the game.
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Post Post #1064 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:18 am

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In post 1062, Xayah wrote:No, I wasn't trying to sort you I was trying to find your logic on another player.
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Post Post #1065 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:20 am

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In post 1051, Datisi wrote:why were you townreading galron on entrance
why did you drop him later

link me where you explained me/ausuka?
The entrance felt very lackluster and not really in a way I would expect a replacement to try and get townreads on a slot that was already underfire. But, it soon turned into "that's how they play" so there's no reason to townread that hence the drop into meh.
In post 100, Xayah wrote:Also, what I'm saying
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happen you can legit read the first few posts in the game for yourself. I'm not backing down from the statements I've said either, I still think it's quite a wolfy opening but I don't feel like getting into a battle of words with someone who got huffy and upset over being called out in a game of mafia for their posting. It's a waste of my time so I moved onto something I found more pressing. Did the anger make me weaken the scumread? Yeah, because it starts to seem a bit personality based, but I think Datisi's angle on Ausuka isn't W/W and I think it felt like a TMI sort of angle. AKA: If there's a wolf in Ausuka and Datisi's prob prob Datisi atm.

I also don't think Meg/Other anime A name are W/W don't have much stock in their statements alone though besides "vibes"
This was the start of the reason I was wolfreading both of your slots. But, then as the game went on and it turned into "oh they're friends and oh this is Ausuka's personality" it made me pause. But, after pausing if I looked at it from just a base level you guys didn't look like partners and while I was kinda hardtownreading Ausuka for a lot of the thread (and mainly thinking you were a wolf) in the world Ausuka wasn't a wolf it was hard for me to come to a world where you were a villager.
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Post Post #1066 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:21 am

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In post 1053, MegAzumarill wrote:Coral all throughout the game has been very analytical, nuanced, and her thoughts feel really grounded within the game. It's evident that they are trying to solve the game beyond just a surface level to try and appear townie.
I'm remembering why this site made such townsided setups
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Post Post #1067 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:22 am

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In post 1054, Coral wrote:
In post 1028, Xayah wrote:I mean I thought Dati/Aus had to have one but I mistook it with familiarly over TMI (woo how fun ty for explaining that to me could've avoided this mess)
I think that this is quite silly especially given that the familiarity
was
explained. The only thing that wasn't explained originally was the context of Ausuka being a Miller in a game that was ongoing at the start of this one.

Using "oh, well of course they're just friends, if only someone had
told
me that, then I would have never suspected them" is extremely weak here and at best indicates that little to no thought was put into the original read, because even if you were only reading this thread, it would take very little effort to figure out that they were friends.
You're saying this like it was the base for my read for the entire game (it wasn't) it was for the
start
of the TMI read and evolved into something else after reading context clues.
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Post Post #1068 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:23 am

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In post 1060, Coral wrote:
In post 1030, Xayah wrote:scamper feels good
In post 1033, Xayah wrote:As long as the Elims are me Meg Coral game ends so shrug.jpg

(Well I need to read Dat more but give me a bit on that)
In post 603, Xayah wrote:If I was to order the murkey pool in order of likelihood to be a wolf it'd prob go scamper>Coral>Galron
You should also probably explain why you're willing to bet the game on a "scamper feels good" given that your most recent read there had them above only Datisi/Ausuka.
Other way around.
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Post Post #1069 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:24 am

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In post 1063, Ausuka wrote:I don't really understand what you're trying to say. Of course I wouldn't necessarily expect Coral to hard townread their scumbuddy but the argument you were making was based on the premise that Coral had a high degree of confidence in this read and therefore it's strange that she changed it over time. Based on what she actually posted I think this interpretation is wrong. Given that I'm not Coral I'm not sure why you're speaking as if I have an ulterior motive in defending her here, unless you think there are three mafia in the game.
Yes, but the thing people are getting stuck on is they're taking:

Coral said it was slightly towny so that's not high confidence
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Corals actions in the game that display such high confidence that makes the read change odd.
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Post Post #1070 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:25 am

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In post 1068, Xayah wrote:
In post 1060, Coral wrote:
In post 1030, Xayah wrote:scamper feels good
In post 1033, Xayah wrote:As long as the Elims are me Meg Coral game ends so shrug.jpg

(Well I need to read Dat more but give me a bit on that)
In post 603, Xayah wrote:If I was to order the murkey pool in order of likelihood to be a wolf it'd prob go scamper>Coral>Galron
You should also probably explain why you're willing to bet the game on a "scamper feels good" given that your most recent read there had them above only Datisi/Ausuka.
Other way around.
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Post Post #1071 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:25 am

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In post 1069, Xayah wrote:
In post 1063, Ausuka wrote:I don't really understand what you're trying to say. Of course I wouldn't necessarily expect Coral to hard townread their scumbuddy but the argument you were making was based on the premise that Coral had a high degree of confidence in this read and therefore it's strange that she changed it over time. Based on what she actually posted I think this interpretation is wrong. Given that I'm not Coral I'm not sure why you're speaking as if I have an ulterior motive in defending her here, unless you think there are three mafia in the game.
Yes, but the thing people are getting stuck on is they're taking:

Coral said it was slightly towny so that's not high confidence
vs
Corals actions in the game that display such high confidence that makes the read change odd.
Give examples
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Post Post #1072 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:25 am

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In post 1070, Coral wrote:
In post 1068, Xayah wrote:
In post 1060, Coral wrote:
In post 1030, Xayah wrote:scamper feels good
In post 1033, Xayah wrote:As long as the Elims are me Meg Coral game ends so shrug.jpg

(Well I need to read Dat more but give me a bit on that)
In post 603, Xayah wrote:If I was to order the murkey pool in order of likelihood to be a wolf it'd prob go scamper>Coral>Galron
You should also probably explain why you're willing to bet the game on a "scamper feels good" given that your most recent read there had them above only Datisi/Ausuka.
Other way around.
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Post Post #1073 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:26 am

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In post 1071, MegAzumarill wrote:
In post 1069, Xayah wrote:
In post 1063, Ausuka wrote:I don't really understand what you're trying to say. Of course I wouldn't necessarily expect Coral to hard townread their scumbuddy but the argument you were making was based on the premise that Coral had a high degree of confidence in this read and therefore it's strange that she changed it over time. Based on what she actually posted I think this interpretation is wrong. Given that I'm not Coral I'm not sure why you're speaking as if I have an ulterior motive in defending her here, unless you think there are three mafia in the game.
Yes, but the thing people are getting stuck on is they're taking:

Coral said it was slightly towny so that's not high confidence
vs
Corals actions in the game that display such high confidence that makes the read change odd.
Give examples
Already did.
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Post Post #1074 (ISO) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:27 am

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Alright, now that we're done with that I'ma go iso Datisi just so I'm fine with the 3 person elim train.
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