LOST (Game Over)

[Mislim Bait]

Tbh C&G is prob town.

Math was probably a modified pr with a neighbor such as a RB’r or something like that.

I lowkey need to see how this wagon went down and I know marh was on the block d1

I wish cephrir went with his gut bc that would have helped miles

@BB, did you pick someone last night to talk to?

no - i withheld at the advice of ceph + paranoia of a roleblock since I claimed only one shot left

Smart.

I doubt you’ll be RB’d tho.

The first quote is mala's first post in d3 and they claimed to have checked math n2
these are good crumbs and it checked out with their claims at least

[Mislim Bait]

the 2nd quote might suggest that mala/bb is not w/w
It's a very subtle crumb and would be weird to say it to a buddy

[BlueBloodedToffee]

C&G needs to vote more
All days ended with them not voting anyone

This.

Mala is spewed town anyway Mislim

[MalcolmTucker]

Hey Malcolm, do you lean scum on any of the following?

Mala, OTH, BB

Mala - unsure how to read on tone, didn't they claim?
OTH - town
BB - slight scumlean

[MalcolmTucker]

Also Malcolm, I'm curious if the points in favor of town rad have swayed you at all

Not particularly so far, but I'd be willing to look elsewhere for an elimination if Rad isn't going to happen.

[MalcolmTucker]

Drap's case on CSF is strong.

Actually what did you like about this? A lot of the scum case was based on my read on math and bella, but your reads on math and Bella weren't any better

I feel like you were a lot more openly defending Math early on though? So far as I can remember, I lightly TR'd the slot but wasn't particularly mounting a defence of Math - then as D2 wore on I became convinced the frustration wasn't genuine. I feel like even once you were okay with a Math elimination you were still very much angling to move elsewhere when an opportunity presented itself.

[Rad]

C&G needs to vote more
All days ended with them not voting anyone

This.

Mala is spewed town anyway Mislim

Why? Just because corwin complained about mala also lurking and not catching heat? Was there anything else?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, Corwin's push on Mala means she is almost always town here.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

C&G needs to vote more
All days ended with them not voting anyone

This.

All right.
VOTE: Malcolm because out of Cytosine's PoE, this is somebody who I'm OK with voting.
-Guanine

[Rad]

Malcolm wagon back on? Ok!

VOTE: malcolm

I'll go look at corwin math isos for mala closer, later today.

[T-Bone]

@Johnny
I’d suggest in case wolves try and sweep you into an ML you may want to full on claim Doctor.

But seriously why do you think this?

Can we refrain from baiting role claims?

No. Please don't provide The Professor cover. He already claimed his role, there's nothing for me to bait from him.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Maybe I’ll track T-Bone or Pooky tonight.

[T-Bone]

Why are we in your PoE then?

Because you could be scum WITH that role

Actually tbh, coroner seems like a role that should go to town. I got to admit I'm not super impressed with Off The Hook's play here though.
~Cytosine

You know some people made the same argument when Bella claimed doc. I think Math tried making the argument with his role too.

I think it's safe to say role is divorced from alignment.

[T-Bone]

Maybe I’ll track T-Bone or Pooky tonight.

Glad you're here. Why do you keep telling everyone Johnny is a doctor?

[Roden]

Maybe I’ll track T-Bone or Pooky tonight.

Why?

[butterflies]

Yeah, Corwin's push on Mala means she is almost always town here.

Mala is also someone who hates playing scum and one of the players Pooky bussed in KTANE, so because of that not clearing. She could still be town but I could also see her telling her buddies to bus her if scum.

~Nancyfly

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, was there anyone else pushing her outside of Corwin?

[Rad]

OK, was there anyone else pushing her outside of Corwin?

Damn looks like Bella pushed Mala as hard as she pushed Johnny in a quick glance of her ISO. She basically paired each of them together many times in a push against both. There's probably not a world where both johnny and mala are scum.

Yeah, Corwin's push on Mala means she is almost always town here.

Mala is also someone who hates playing scum and one of the players Pooky bussed in KTANE, so because of that not clearing.

She could still be town but I could also see her telling her buddies to bus her if scum.

~Nancyfly

But this thought is also reasonable

[butterflies]

#frogstar, I went back and just read your posts in iso And I think it's actually not massively to do with anything alignment indicative: I found the posts where you explained stuff townie and the shorter/direct stuff scummy. I had this issue recently with STD and gamma, so it's probably a me problem. I also had weird vibes about the you/gamma hydra/rad interaction - I didn't agree with your points about noticing the restrictions and the whole convo still looks a bit strange, but I liked your interaction with rad better.

In terms of reads, rad, pooky, bell, klick for their reads and interaction with my question, town, I'd like to say Luke is town but I've been hurt before, I kind of hate everything Dunn posts.

More later, many kids.

Scum very rarely puts their buddy at #1, probably clearing for RAD. Probably all of these town.

[butterflies]

Don't agree with frog about the Titus hydra for now, but can see where they are coming from.

Reassured cat is picking up the same vibes as me from galron

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Think CSF is spewed town by this. Scum is usually likes to sheep a townie on a bad read.

[butterflies]

I didn't pay corwin a tonne of attention honestly.

I know part of Johnny/mala is lhf

, whatever, but the contributions they have made aren't great, and I remember the fact that they both kept popping in for page tops and it annoyed my more than anything they've actually said. Mala also did very similar in a recent game with math and Titus, in terms of engagement, I had the quite unpopular scum read on them day one and I was right.

Enchant is a meta read - really early game they felt like deptuy cultists but even when they've made contributions I just can't see any process/solve in their approach.

P-edit I guess I'll go back and look at corwin.

This is really interesting. Did Bella tmi slip one town between Johnny/Mala?

[butterflies]

I love Rad. Like romantically.

BBT loves VCA unless your VCA points to him, in which case it's absolute shit and you should feel embarassed for it wtf is wrong with you? Level 0.

The funniest part, imo.

lmmfaooooo

I could do either c and g or mathblade, don't want bbt or Malcolm.

DNA town from this, I highly doubt Bella would mention both buddies as possible votes and she really didn’t have a lot of choice with Math.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[Rad]

So Corwin really only mentions Mala in any significant capacity in a couple places. First his reads list:

Scum
Malakittens

Yeah I'd lean towards scum not placing fellow scum at the bottom of the list, but it's not alignment definitive by any means.

And second where he just points out that mala's also been low activity:

It concerns me, though, that Frog conveniently forgot about mala who's been both low activity and low content when she is posting. It annoyed the hell out of me that people were up my ass for dealing with life issues, when mala's getting a pass with posts like

why is there 31 pages

NoU

-.-

mew

Actually that he's looking at every *other* low activity player is bothersome.

But I give more weight to this being a consistency attack against Frog than a lurker push against Mala. A few posts before this in 1754 Frog points out lurkers getting a TR for bad reasons and names Taly and Dwlee. Mala is being used as an example here and is the best example to use regardless of Mala's alignment because Mala's content is all low effort meme stuff.

Not true, Luke and I both TR Mala slot. You can find the exact point I decided to rule out the Mala slot for D1 in my iso.

You want to help me out with that, because your mentions of mala in your iso go from "I have played scum with scum!Mala and town with scum!Mala and I admit their start seems a little different in this game." in 482, to town binning her for pooky's spreadsheet at 1260, to not mentioning her again a single time (at least by name) until just now.

Here he continues his consistency attack on Frog, still using Mala as an example of him being inconsistent.

@Corwin

Not true, Luke and I both TR Mala slot. You can find the exact point I decided to rule out the Mala slot for D1 in my iso.

You want to help me out with that, because your mentions of mala in your iso go from "I have played scum with scum!Mala and town with scum!Mala and I admit their start seems a little different in this game." in 482, to town binning her for pooky's spreadsheet at 1260, to not mentioning her again a single time (at least by name) until just now.

This is possibly a contrived attempt at pretend-solving, I specifically decided to town bin Mala around the time I posted 482. That was my main motivation for sharing that comment in 482. Mala isn't mentioned again because I had no new takes on the slot. That's not difficult to understand. If you're town and this isn't pretend-solving, then stop shading my slot for no reason.

Holy shit dude, you made a read ~52 pages ago based on the start of the game, FoSed every other inactive player, and never looked twice at your very early read even given the "content" of her posts. And you don't think that's giving that slot a pass?

And again.

@Corwin

Not true, Luke and I both TR Mala slot. You can find the exact point I decided to rule out the Mala slot for D1 in my iso.

You want to help me out with that, because your mentions of mala in your iso go from "I have played scum with scum!Mala and town with scum!Mala and I admit their start seems a little different in this game." in 482, to town binning her for pooky's spreadsheet at 1260, to not mentioning her again a single time (at least by name) until just now.

This is possibly a contrived attempt at pretend-solving, I specifically decided to town bin Mala around the time I posted 482. That was my main motivation for sharing that comment in 482. Mala isn't mentioned again because I had no new takes on the slot. That's not difficult to understand. If you're town and this isn't pretend-solving, then stop shading my slot for no reason.

Holy shit dude, you made a read ~52 pages ago based on the start of the game, FoSed every other inactive player, and never looked twice at your very early read even given the "content" of her posts. And you don't think that's giving that slot a pass?

What's the difference between townreading and giving a pass? And why does this bother you so much?

Reads change, he's showing no interest in re-evaluating her while mudslinging half a dozen other people for exactly the same things. Which suggest his motivations about one or the other aren't entirely honest.

And again.

granted ill reeval if mala continues to do nothing but im way happier with her than other low content slots right now so i can certainly understand how frogsterking arrived at the same conclusion

I am... actually surprised how acceptable I find this.

Hell, here he even suggests that Ceph's town read on Mala is acceptable

Maybe using Mala over Taly or Dwlee points to some alignment indication of Mala but I dunno. Mala is certainly the easiest of them all to point at and say "see Mala's not doing anything and just memeing" but that's because it's just the truth.

I believe, based on past experience with corwin, that he probably DID have actual time issues and this was legitimately frustrating for him. If scum!Mala had already said they can bus her if they want cause she's just going to lurk through this entire game, then this is incredibly easy for corwin to do. It's easy for corwin to push town!Mala here too, but that's because Mala just isn't townie in this game, especially not earlier.

I'll take a look at Math's interactions later. I'm not sold on Corwin clearing Mala from this.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Don't agree with frog about the Titus hydra for now, but can see where they are coming from.

Reassured cat is picking up the same vibes as me from galron

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Think CSF is spewed town by this. Scum is usually likes to sheep a townie on a bad read.

No because I was Galron.