Newbie 2099 | GTA San Andreas | Endgame

[Spartan117]

Why juice is dishonest:

Also did Bulbasaur OMGUS Rad.

I'd push for either Bulba or Elmk today really.

I ask (note the bolded part):

Why do you like Bulba and Elmk to "push" today

.

You say (bolded):

Also did Bulbasaur OMGUS Rad.

I'd push for either Bulba or Elmk today really.

If Bulba OMGUS'ed Rad what does that mean to you?


Why do you like Bulba and Elmk to "push" today.

there really isn't much else to go with - without a flip. and those are the only two im sus about - but there is nothing concrete at the moment

You very cleary brought up Bulba and Elmk as suspects but when pressured you backed away and offered no justifiation - that's what makes me think you're being dishonest.

I would see this more as illusive rather than dishonest, Its NAI to keep your cards close to your chest especially early on imo, I think it does look sus to appear to be on a Elmk or Bulba train without actually being on one, its like having recognition for sussing them without actually doing the work to gain that credit, either way it's still early on and we are all still feeling each other out, like the pressure from you even if I don't agree with it all, I dont need to, the effort is good.

[Spartan117]

Why juice is dishonest:

Also did Bulbasaur OMGUS Rad.

I'd push for either Bulba or Elmk today really.

I ask (note the bolded part):

Why do you like Bulba and Elmk to "push" today

.

You say (bolded):

Also did Bulbasaur OMGUS Rad.

I'd push for either Bulba or Elmk today really.

If Bulba OMGUS'ed Rad what does that mean to you?


Why do you like Bulba and Elmk to "push" today.

there really isn't much else to go with - without a flip. and those are the only two im sus about - but there is nothing concrete at the moment

You very cleary brought up Bulba and Elmk as suspects but when pressured you backed away and offered no justifiation - that's what makes me think you're being dishonest.

I would see this more as illusive rather than dishonest, Its NAI to keep your cards close to your chest especially early on imo, I think it does look sus to appear to be on a Elmk or Bulba train without actually being on one, its like having recognition for sussing them without actually doing the work to gain that credit, either way it's still early on and we are all still feeling each other out, like the pressure from you even if I don't agree with it all, I dont need to, the effort is good.

[Spartan117]

People I don't have at least a slight town vibe from:
Elemk
Cat.Jpeg
GoldfishFromTheMoon
Juice
AlwaysNever
Spartan117 (SE)
FancyPants (SE)

Did you just name everyone but Rad and yourself? Lol

[Spartan117]

And, out of the whole list that I put which is everyone except me and Rad, I am suspicious of spartan the most.

That's cool, I mean I've produced min content, chaotic at best but thats what I'm going for this time, just for the record, I'm still sticking to the plan tho dw I'll have my scum team for you guys before the days out (in game day ofc aha)

Also side note it feels to me bulba that you are too scared to comit to any reads, like as if you say someone's scum that you can't change your mind with more information or even with further reflection and a good old re-read. I get very static vibes from you as far as reads go, when as town we should be more fluid with our reads they should evolve, now that doesn't mean they have to change ofc but that's all part of the process.

[FancyPants]

Would self-voting not count as appeasing in your view? I read about how you think that my response was too brazen for newb-scum, so I was just wondering why you think Goldfish's are not?

Selft voting is considered scummy behaviour which is what makes it brazen. You're not appeasing you're deliberately doing something scummy.

Appeasing is kind of the opposite, trying to keep the town happy, as opposed to antagonizing them.

I am upset by your smiley face though.

[FancyPants]

[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=13470752#p13470752]
I would see this more as illusive rather than dishonest, Its NAI to keep your cards close to your chest especially early on imo, I think it does look sus to appear to be on a Elmk or Bulba train without actually being on one, its like having recognition for sussing them without actually doing the work to gain that credit, either way it's still early on and we are all still feeling each other out, like the pressure from you even if I don't agree with it all, I dont need to, the effort is good.[/quote]

I'm OK with throwing out reads without explanation.

What I'm not OK with is throwing out reads -> being queried on them -> and not having an explanation for those reads.

That strikes me as manufactured.

[Juice]

is bolded now how you vote anymore? cause mine didn't show up on the count?

fixed.

[FancyPants]

Juice just to be clear you think Elemk is scum because of the below string of posts correct?

You feel they are manufactured?

Wait crap VOTE: Unvote he is at E-1 if I vote him

Oh my sorry for the terrible formatting above! Just to be clear:
UNVOTE: GoldfishFromTheMoon

Hi Elmk! I think that would have put him at E-3 because me and spartan weren't on him anymore. Double E-1 page 1 would have been fun though

I need to read gooder before I post next time. I read through everything and thought that would be a fun RVS but then I panicked and thought I was E-1'ing and then I double checked and realised that people had changed their votes. God dammit, off to a great start!

VOTE: GoldfishFromTheMoon for the original thing I said before

[Bulbazoor]

@spartan: How would I have had any reads to commit to when a lot of the people had only posted an RVS vote and some is getting prodded? And, like I said to Fancy, you assume my reads are static? It is day 3. We have seven days left. I feel like it is better to say someone isn't committing to anything when it is closer to the deadline.

[Cat.Jpeg]

VOTE: AlwaysNever

Wagon immediately or scum.

Good game. I miss flash.
VOTE: FancyPants

Good profile picture, if I may ask what do you think about Rad and Spartan buddying up to vote for the same person really quickly into E-1? NAI or perhaps some kind of play?

NAI, probably not paired. Yes cat is good/cute, always.

[Cat.Jpeg]

UNVOTE: FancyPants, Reading

[Cat.Jpeg]

UNVOTE:
AlwaysNever just proved himself.

This post by goldfish is Garbage:

My Sus-ometer is going off I think I've found one of them VOTE: GoldfishFromTheMoon Rad do you want to join me?

Absolutely. Scum cannot be allowed to live.

VOTE: GoldfishFromTheMoon

I swear I get RVS'ed in every game I join, I must have a particularly suspicious username or something. That or I'm always scum :wink:

Reeks of appeasement, no vote, good job guys you got em.
VOTE: GoldfishFromTheMoon

Hey Bulba
I didn't like your opening, 32 and 35 felt like pre-excuses to incorrectly scum hunt. 36 was supposed to be a pressure post but the "winky emoje" and calling him "buddy" made it feel toothless and appeasing, 67 where you warn us you get lynched day 1 as town also felt like you were qualifying for scummy behavior and 68 where you mention you are rusty felt the same.

That said it was mostly RVS and I'd like to chat.

Why is Rad town to you? and why do you find Spartan suspicious?

According to you Winky Emoji = Appeasement = Mafia
I get a town vibe from you because of content but there's a lot of making stuff out of nothing.

[Cat.Jpeg]

1) you don't know what dishonest means.

2) you didn't quote everything I said - you only quoted what helped build your narrative. At this point it feels like you are outing yourself - which makes me think either Rad or Bulba are your partner and this game is already over.

This string of posts from Juice seems very open and townie. Don't agree with the content though.

[Cat.Jpeg]

People I don't have at least a slight town vibe from:
Elemk
Cat.Jpeg
GoldfishFromTheMoon
Juice
AlwaysNever
Spartan117 (SE)
FancyPants (SE)

Did you just name everyone but Rad and yourself? Lol

That's what I was thinking. Either when beginning to write the post the post they didnt realise they only had a town vibe from one other person or it was to emphasise that everyone was sus. That or it was a roundabout way to townread Rad without buddying/being associated but that is reversed a few posts later.

[Cat.Jpeg]

I am upset by your smiley face though.

Okay you must just hate emojis. I do too, especially the ones on this site, however I don't think they are AI. :)

[Bulbazoor]

People I don't have at least a slight town vibe from:
Elemk
Cat.Jpeg
GoldfishFromTheMoon
Juice
AlwaysNever
Spartan117 (SE)
FancyPants (SE)

Did you just name everyone but Rad and yourself? Lol

That's what I was thinking. Either when beginning to write the post the post they didnt realise they only had a town vibe from one other person or it was to emphasise that everyone was sus. That or it was a roundabout way to townread Rad without buddying/being associated but that is reversed a few posts later.

I did realize and yet I did it anyway

[AlwaysNever]

VOTE: AlwaysNever

Wagon immediately or scum.

Good game. I miss flash.
VOTE: FancyPants

Good profile picture, if I may ask what do you think about Rad and Spartan buddying up to vote for the same person really quickly into E-1? NAI or perhaps some kind of play?

NAI, probably not paired. Yes cat is good/cute, always.

Appreciate the answer with that said, now that we have developments, whom among all of the players right now do you think are paired in some ways? Or at least trying to not look like they're paired the most?

Would self-voting not count as appeasing in your view? I read about how you think that my response was too brazen for newb-scum, so I was just wondering why you think Goldfish's are not?

Selft voting is considered scummy behaviour which is what makes it brazen. You're not appeasing you're deliberately doing something scummy.

Appeasing is kind of the opposite, trying to keep the town happy, as opposed to antagonizing them.

I am upset by your smiley face though.

Duly noted, will keep the smileys to minimum, at least when I'm replying to you *wink*

but anyway, I would like to ask you now that Cat has posted more, what reads do you have on them? do you still consider cat as POE scum now that you voted for Juice instead?

I'm going to read Goldfish ISO in the meantime, their presence is worryingly invisible now that I look at all the posts, like Elemk

[AlwaysNever]

Ah, I see why they're seemingly invisible... Goldfish only has three posts that's not good.

@Goldfish any considerations on all of the players currently? What are your thoughts on Fancy thinking of your posts as scummy?

[Rad]

What felt toothless about my post. If anything I was being a bit passive aggressive

Wait, that post had teeth? You were being passive aggressive? I read that as pure wink wink nudge nudge rvs.

Hmm

[Juice]

want to clarify for any quotes - when I said Rad - I meant Elemk

[Rad]

Appreciate the answer with that said, now that we have developments, whom among all of the players right now do you think are paired in some ways? Or at least trying to not look like they're paired the most?

Why are you pushing for pairs on page 6? Wait for a flip or if YOU see something suspicious that you want to point out, fine do it. Like pushing this sort of thing this early is just going to make town hesitant to interact and give opinions when we should be pushing for open communication, not trying to find connections based on nothing.

Could also be scum here hunting for masons.

The more I think about this the less and less I like it.

[Bulbazoor]

What felt toothless about my post. If anything I was being a bit passive aggressive

Wait, that post had teeth? You were being passive aggressive? I read that as pure wink wink nudge nudge rvs.

Hmm

Well I did want to pressure you and at the same time I was annoyed that I was being voted as I tend to have knee jerk reactions any time I am voted.

[FancyPants]

I am upset by your smiley face though.

Okay you must just hate emojis. I do too, especially the ones on this site, however I don't think they are AI.

Niceness is a scum tell, true story. Doubly true in newbies.

but anyway, I would like to ask you now that Cat has posted more, what reads do you have on them? do you still consider cat as POE scum now that you voted for Juice instead?

Cat hasn't said anything to change my mind about her, town reads are very easy for scum to do, and she hasn't taken a stance on who is scum

That said I'm less certain about Juice, I've been feeling that way for a while but I didn't want to unvote and relieve pressure quite yet.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Goldfish
Is better methinks.

Scum probably in {Cat/Spartan/Goldfish}

[FancyPants]

Looking for pairs is unhelpful but a town tell IMO.

[FancyPants]

Need more from Elemk, he pocketed me by saying things I agree with but again scum can come to the "right" conclusions very easily.