bfore someone asks: "haven't you been saying you think it's coral?" yes. i do. but the two plausible scenarios in case we get there are either that 1. i am wrong in my read and have been all game or 2. dats and ausuka roadblocked me all game from killing the last scum at which point victory was never an option to begin with
The nightkills have put me in an incredibly awkward position if i was scum and I don't see how you can justify me actively harming my position like that.
I don't know why town!meg decides that I could make sense as scum partners with Phoenix late yesterday while rereading at prompting of Datisi, but instead of expressing those thoughts at all, continues to defend me, waiting to turn until after letting the elimination on Xayah go through.
The argument I suppose is that they were still more confident on Xayah and needed to see that flip in order to re-evaluate, but it seems pretty convenient.
I also think their trajectory today was overinformed. They were prepared to clear scamper before the massclaim had completed, and then their reasoning for clearing scamper was based on the massclaim.
In post 1354, MegAzumarill wrote:The nightkills have put me in an incredibly awkward position if i was scum and I don't see how you can justify me actively harming my position like that.
What alternative kills could have given you a better position?
In post 1354, MegAzumarill wrote:The nightkills have put me in an incredibly awkward position if i was scum and I don't see how you can justify me actively harming my position like that.
What alternative kills could have given you a better position?
N1 Kill Ausuka
N2, assuming I killed done n1, Literally anyone but GE helps my position.
Why is killing Ausuka better than killing Don, at the time the kill was made? And Gamma wouldn't get eliminated here, so how is that the worst possible kill? Everyone else besides Ausuka is under suspicion and a possible elim target.
Ausuka was a claimed non-vanilla, potentially clearable, and never going to be eliminated.
Done was fairly dissonant player who would not be the hard to mislim.
GE being alive would give me a clear path to push toward, even if unsuccessful I was getting townread for that persitance while GE is alive, and it gives me the time to do a turnaround more gradually on whoever I did want eliminated the next day. In a sense it gives me the time to make whatever I wanted feel more natural.
I don't see a palpable reason to kill GE as scum!me here.
If i wanted to, I would have played differently in D2.
In post 1355, Coral wrote:I don't know why town!meg decides that I could make sense as scum partners with Phoenix late yesterday while rereading at prompting of Datisi, but instead of expressing those thoughts at all, continues to defend me, waiting to turn until after letting the elimination on Xayah go through.
The argument I suppose is that they were still more confident on Xayah and needed to see that flip in order to re-evaluate, but it seems pretty convenient.
I also think their trajectory today was overinformed. They were prepared to clear scamper before the massclaim had completed, and then their reasoning for clearing scamper was based on the massclaim.
Here's a good visualization.
Before reconsidering
Town:
Ausuka
Scamper/Coral
Datisi
Scum:
Gamma Emerald
Xayah
After reconsidering
Town:
Ausuka
Scamper
Datisi/Coral
In post 1349, Ausuka wrote:i think the 180 on coral from meg is very suspicious
I don't really see coral here and I'm sorry if I'm wrong and pocketed or whatever but that's just what i think
Pedit: ok? whatever then
i mean in this scenario what else does town!meg do exactly
i think town Meg is probably more open about their changing thinking on coral on d2. i also think town Meg is more likely to stick to the datisi read. that was pretty clearly their second choice for scum d2 and they consistently claimed to heavily townread coral, but this read changed when it became clear coral was pretty much the only possible elimination.
I think meg does not want to be pushing ge on d3 because it is a push that is never going to bear fruit and they want to be able to go after people who could get miseliminated. i think the ge kill makes sense from that angle
I'm sorry if I'm roadblocking you or whatever? I'm assuming you instant voting datisi is meant as a punishment to me and him? I'm just trying to eliminate who I think is mafia
It's not even like I'm saying you are not allowed to eliminate Coral ever. I think Meg is scum here and townread everyone else, so if it's not Meg I am clearly wrong about a townread.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 1354, MegAzumarill wrote:The nightkills have put me in an incredibly awkward position if i was scum and I don't see how you can justify me actively harming my position like that.
What alternative kills could have given you a better position?
N1 Kill Ausuka
N2, assuming I killed done n1, Literally anyone but GE helps my position.
I do not sincerely believe any scum player would kill a claimed miller on N1, particularly after a scumflip in a micro where power roles are even more threatening than usual
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
In post 1354, MegAzumarill wrote:The nightkills have put me in an incredibly awkward position if i was scum and I don't see how you can justify me actively harming my position like that.
What alternative kills could have given you a better position?
N1 Kill Ausuka
N2, assuming I killed done n1, Literally anyone but GE helps my position.
I do not sincerely believe any scum player would kill a claimed miller on N1, particularly after a scumflip in a micro where power roles are even more threatening than usual
Miller >VT
I have moderated a game where the d1 miller was a town power role
Without explocit knowledge of the setup its a >average kill.
So you are saying that a fairly low charisma scum player would decide a blind shot is better than guarenteed value on a night one kill?
In post 1366, Ausuka wrote:Yeah? Miller kill as 'guaranteed value' does not feel true
It's a named townie. It also has interactions with other town powerroles, which can be inferred to mean at some point it will make mechanical sense to exist, ergo the slot will be mechanically defended.