LOST (Game Over)

[Best Bird]

[Rad]

Who's Ben

[Best Bird]

mmmhmmm

[Rad]

Wat

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I'm trying to solve 2 things that are within my abilities here.
1. People who are not sure about town rad. That's ok and is reasonable but I want to see some reasons before I flip.
2. People who are absolutely convinced of town rad and are willing to go to endgame with that read, explain yourself.

I fully expect#1 to win here but I want to see reasons. I expect some town here and some scum. If you naked vote me fuck you get flipped next. We got time, show everyone why I'm scum.

Cytosine said that he thought that you were flailing under pressure.
I feel like some of your posts do give a similar impression to me though more so now then when he had said that.
I kind of feel like that self-vote was out of pressure but I can't tell if you're Town who has lost faith or scum who knows that he's been caught.
-Guanine

Couple things.

Why am I scum if I'm flailing under pressure?

What pressure did I have at 4 votes vs Malcolm's 6 (would be 7 if I stayed on it) that caused me to self vote?

I'm half-asleep but I'm going to answer this now so that I don't have to think about it before my Maths test.
I didn't say that flailing under pressure was scummy. That's closer to Cytosine's opinion. I think that it's NAI.
Also, I feel like your self-vote might've been because you realised that even with Malcolm at 6 votes, due to some people there not strongly invested on his wagon, they might eventually move to you.
While that's not scummy, I feel like you probably realised that you were getting doomed.
-Guanine

[butterflies]

Heyo tis ya favourite flea here.

Sorry for the absence, my life is a mess

Nancys kept me up to date and apparently it got spicy. Amma have a smol skim

[butterflies]

However @RAD why are you going on and on about how much you still hard tr me after I’m practically cleared?

wtf?

/facepalm

Even Drap has admitted it was a bad track, so why are you continuing to defend it?

I absolutely do not give a shit anymore.

I think his track makes sense.

Maybe it wasn't the best track possible.

I still think it was fine. And I've explained why.

Just about done with this game.

My point being who even cares about that? I’m not sr Drap.

Bro the more I see and read these posts the more I think your Ninja.

Hey drap, how many wolves are left?

[butterflies]

I think he’s town who made an extremely suboptimal track and both of you can bite me. I stand by that!

That's anti-town of you. Do you not get that?

That's how scum wants to play. Pressuring town by lowering confidence.

Get it? Stop being anti-town if you're town.

Meanwhile I'm someone who actively creates a little bit of discord on reads I'm not locking and it can be good to see who jumps on.

Nothing Nancy has done has been anti-town, and my read on you has hard tanked - I've seen you being inconsistent and actively manipulative. Just like scum would want to play

-This and last are Butterflea

[Rad]

Spoiler flea, I'm town. You should keep your vote on me cause I should be flipped today but during your catch up, you should just consider me town and try to figure out who the scum are in my interactions, if there are any interacting with me.

[butterflies]

Whatever Nancy. I think you're probably town. If you're not it'll be a lesson learned. You can give me the benefit of the doubt or just say fuck it and vote me. I'm not walking on eggshells anymore.

You shouldn't attack people you think are town for their decisions.

That's not ok, unless you're scum making a move, but I don't think you are. This was probably a huge and unfortunate waste of time. I'm not being difficult, you are. I'm just vocalizing my opinion and you decided to attack it. Whatever, all good.

You absolutely should

It's called hunting and refining.
The game is not black and white it's a whole ass rainbow and you trying to greyscale everything is a crap move.

Worse than the Incineroar pull on Thundarus I've just seen in the world championships.

[butterflies]

Yeah it might be suboptimal, but you're not confirmed town, and a scum!Nancy playing her best scum game is a decent track. That's the paranoia track perspective here.

Paranoia track aside, do you think we're a ninja or idle if we're scum?

[butterflies]

Ah one more thing. I'm Libby the Vanilla Townie! That's it. So boring. No reason to hide it anymore since I'm openly pushing my own lim. No one has to worry about me being a super cool PR here. I'm a boring fucking VT. Give your reasons for voting me or get fucked when I flip green. Do not coroner target me. I'm boring ass Libby the VT.

Ok, Ben.

Who's Ben

mmmhmmm

Wat

@BB are you saying RAD is lying about his flavour?

~Nancyfly

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I have engaged with this and I believe CSF's case re Johnny is fairly inaccurate. What's my motivation to sort Johnny as town if I'm scum anyway? It'd have been a useful place for me to continue pushing along with Rad given there's been pressure remaining on that slot if I was scum, no?

What is inaccurate about 13392?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

It's funny that people think Johnny is townier than Rad and Malcolm.

If they're both town, which seems likely, it's no wonder there is no noise anywhere else.

Do you think all the wagons we ran up yesterday were on town? I think it's unlikely, no?

[MalcolmTucker]

I have engaged with this and I believe CSF's case re Johnny is fairly inaccurate. What's my motivation to sort Johnny as town if I'm scum anyway? It'd have been a useful place for me to continue pushing along with Rad given there's been pressure remaining on that slot if I was scum, no?

What is inaccurate about 13392?

I felt your claim my read on Johnny had evolved weakly or was inconsistent was inaccurate.

I've stated myself I didn't really think Mala was likely to be scum but I maintain they were a better vote than Johnny would have been - Johnny's posts had improved for me and I'll admit that was partially due to us mindmelding. I'll admit there's always a chance Johnny could be pocketing me but that seems unlikely because from my POV as town that'd involve them in all likelihood openly scumreading scum partners all to pocket a player who's been a prime elimination candidate for the past two turns.

Either way, where's the scum motive in my changed read on Johnny? It's surely a useful slot for scum Malcolm to keep pushing, no? My posts may not offer the clarity you want but I've been pretty open that my early read on Johnny was probably a partial misread based on their tone, once I got used to that tone and evaluated that slot again I began to see how they approached the game as really townie. The only motive here is surely if I'm partnered with Johnny but that seems infeasible from a scum POV - remember early in the game I was openly advocating for Johnny's elimination even when Math (I think it was Math) was trying to get us to settle on some other players.

I feel like your read on me is less based in the conviction I'm actually scum and is more centred around the fact you dislike how I've articulated my progression on another player you've scumread. But there's a world where I can be wrong and Johnny and you're right without me being scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's funny that people think Johnny is townier than Rad and Malcolm.

If they're both town, which seems likely, it's no wonder there is no noise anywhere else.

Do you think all the wagons we ran up yesterday were on town? I think it's unlikely, no?

All wagons we ran up in D1 were on town. Someone said that was unlikely then, too, if I remember right.

Why couldn't it be the same here?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

6. Now he's saying something vague like Johnny is town because of interactions with flipped scum. Why??? What interactions???? And why do I consistently find it easier to remember Malcolm's own reads than he does???

I'll follow this up by saying it's easy to forget some small things in a 500+ game with 26p.

It's NOT as easy for town to forget why your scumread on someone changed to a townread. That's what made the progression feel made up.

I scumread you because you've forgotten the reason why you began townreading Johnny, which makes that read look unnatural

please take another look at 13392 because my read is not really conditioned on a Johnny scumread. Although i kind of still think he is scum

[Cat Scratch Fever]

It's funny that people think Johnny is townier than Rad and Malcolm.

If they're both town, which seems likely, it's no wonder there is no noise anywhere else.

Do you think all the wagons we ran up yesterday were on town? I think it's unlikely, no?

All wagons we ran up in D1 were on town. Someone said that was unlikely then, too, if I remember right.

Why couldn't it be the same here?

We ran up math day 1 though

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sure, I forgot about that one. I was mainly thinking about what seemed to be the 3 main wagons in Ceph, Frog and myself.

We also ran up Ceph, Frog, BBT, Roden, Mala. I remember when it was Ceph/Grog/myself and there were a few schools of thought that one of us must be scum.

[MalcolmTucker]

It's funny that people think Johnny is townier than Rad and Malcolm.

If they're both town, which seems likely, it's no wonder there is no noise anywhere else.

Do you think all the wagons we ran up yesterday were on town? I think it's unlikely, no?

All wagons we ran up in D1 were on town. Someone said that was unlikely then, too, if I remember right.

Why couldn't it be the same here?

We've already hit two scum as well so the gamestate in general is pretty town-heavy at the moment too.

[MalcolmTucker]

6. Now he's saying something vague like Johnny is town because of interactions with flipped scum. Why??? What interactions???? And why do I consistently find it easier to remember Malcolm's own reads than he does???

I'll follow this up by saying it's easy to forget some small things in a 500+ game with 26p.

It's NOT as easy for town to forget why your scumread on someone changed to a townread. That's what made the progression feel made up.

I scumread you because you've forgotten the reason why you began townreading Johnny, which makes that read look unnatural

please take another look at 13392 because my read is not really conditioned on a Johnny scumread. Although i kind of still think he is scum

I disagree with this. The primary reason was after Bella was eliminated it looked like it was unlikely they were teammates. Later in the game I confused Johnny's dynamics with Bella with their dynamics with Math since both were scum. Once I looked at Johnny through the lens of more likely to be town I started reading their tone and approach differently.

[butterchurn]

She said that it's suspicious because you forgot your reason for townreading them. You say you disagree with this, and say that actually you misremembered your reason for townreading them? What exactly is the disagreement, then?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's not what he said?

[butterchurn]

Later in the game I confused Johnny's dynamics with Bella with their dynamics with Math since both were scum.

That's exactly what this says. It doesn't use the same phrasing, but it's still what it says.

[butterflies]

It's funny that people think Johnny is townier than Rad and Malcolm.

If they're both town, which seems likely, it's no wonder there is no noise anywhere else.

Do you think all the wagons we ran up yesterday were on town? I think it's unlikely, no?

All wagons we ran up in D1 were on town. Someone said that was unlikely then, too, if I remember right.

Why couldn't it be the same here?

We ran up math day 1 though

2, d1 Ceph because gladiate.