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[humaneatingmonkey]

Inchresting

happy birthday!

ohhh time zones it’s not here yet for me lol but ty!!

i live in the future

[scamper]

like i'm not out here saying GL is being overly negative, i don't think so, but i understand the pov that can think so and call it out post-by-post

i shld probably check before immediately replying

but im not sure thats inherently town? i think that kind of meta-based read is easy to fake. i thought gl's case on me was reachy (altho i am biased), but didnt have a problem with it insofar as all early game cases like that are going to be reachy

i was still talking about irrelephant and not gl

i know thats what i mean - im sayng im not sure whether its a towny read from relly

[humaneatingmonkey]

Scummy: HEM

i dont think you're capable of townreading me

[scamper]

Towny: Ausuka, Relly, Marci, Ari

Scummy: HEM, skitter, scamper

y am i scummy?

Ur interactions on pg14 seem off

go on...

[humaneatingmonkey]

meta-based read is easy to fake

we disagree that meta-based read is easy to fake

[fireisredsir]

ari can maybe be town if she saw something that i also saw. ok no point in being vague when i didn't out too many reads, if she noticed that baltar not voting me is weird, then yeah +town

Red flag.

You think I'm obligated to vote you as my rvs?

i feel like the other reasons so far to suspect datisi feel a bit... better than this

why is this a red flag? datisi feeling entitled to an rvs vote?

I guess I kind of did answer this actually. I think datisi is kind of making up reasons after the fact around his ari play, and part of that is this assumption that I MUST rvs vote dats because I do frequently.

Datisi is well aware that I don't play the opening of games the same all the time. I take different approaches based on my mood and what I think will be interesting. It's just a contrived thought process to me.

why would it be post hoc if he explained it in the same post that he originally made the read in

every post after that hasn't been adding new info it's just reiterating the same point that was in the original post

[VP Baltar]

Like is there any reason you seem to think it's so improbable that I have an early game gutread

How many games do you have with nero?

[Ausuka]

Like is there any reason you seem to think it's so improbable that I have an early game gutread

How many games do you have with nero?

A fair few from 2019?

[Nero Cain]

way more than you

[Ausuka]

But like I don't have an especially meta based read on Nero, maybe the type of player he is factors in slightly but I don't see where you're coming from by asking about this

[Nero Cain]

Scummy: HEM

i dont think you're capable of townreading me

no he's just scum

[T3]

VC 1.4
Firebringer (3): Nero Cain, Ydrasse, scamper
Datisi (2): humaneatingmonkey, Irrelephant11
VP Baltar (2): Datisi, Ausuka
Aristeia (2): fireisredsir, skitter30
humaneatingmonkey (1): Aristeia
scamper (1): GuiltyLion
Nero Cain (1): DeasVail
Ausuka (1): VP Baltar
Not voting (7): Juice, Firebringer, Gamma Emerald, Eiralox, marcistar, xofelf, Dunnstral
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-08 20:36:00). With 20 alive, 11 is needed to lim and 10 to no lim.

[VP Baltar]

But like I don't have an especially meta based read on Nero, maybe the type of player he is factors in slightly but I don't see where you're coming from by asking about this

Trying to understand your gut read. wtf

I'm not going to begrudge you having a gut read, but it struck me as a weird one to take when I saw nothing special in his play. It's good to hear you have a decent number of games at least. People say gut all the time, but there is often an actual thought there if you drill down far enough. Hell, even when I have gut reads, if I question myself enough and talk through it, I can usually get to what is pinging for me specifically.

I need to do some work now (and still somehow not caught up, agh), but I'll think about this some more and probs reread your town ping with the context of your past experiences.

[Ausuka]

I mean I tried to explain it earlier and you wrote it off as "poo" and didn't really seem to be engaging so idk

[VP Baltar]

is it just me or ausuka and vpb has this

t en s i o n

A real will they, won't they vibe

firebringer and xofelf trading compliments on page 9 maybe not s/s?

Kind of like this thought. Can you tell me more why you think that's unlikely from them specifically?

Feels unlikely anyone would fake it as scum theater, and also if they shared a scum thread I kind of think that's where they would have done this "oh hey it's you, nice!"

I guess there's a small chance they re-enacted their scum thread convo in the main thread, but overall it just feels natural. And I doubt as scum they would plan this type of casual reconnection as their way of appearing unaligned

Oh so it's more general and not about then specifically?

[VP Baltar]

Ausuka is an angel, I am not sure VPB is worthy tbh

I am garbage for sure.

For instance, I said I would work, but I am not

[scamper]

i still think ausuka is obvtown


rereading vpb's questioning of her i kind of understand the thinking because questioning whether someones townread is real or not is a valid process. i think the fixation there is a little weird though b/c vibes/gut/etc are going to be a standard answer and i dont think falling back on that is a sign of a lack of a real thought process. i can see a town thinking that tho ig

[Ausuka]

I guess I could see why someone might like, have the thought and press me on the read. But I just don't feel like he's engaging with me genuinely here about this?

[Aristeia]

i'm waiting for ari to turn on or drop some thoughts on datisi

I liked the song he picked out for me ^_^

[fireisredsir]

unfortunately in my experience with vp you can't really go off whether it feels like he's engaging genuinely or if his thoughts are real thoughts that a real person would think

[Ausuka]

Ok uh I'll think about it I guess?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ausuka

oh there he goes

making the first move

wow they tied the knot

HEM I still don't really understand what these posts are meant to say am I just being stupid or

[Nero Cain]

That quote is one of my issues with Nero. It's very wishy-washy and seems to be ignoring a very obvious next-step that could be used to determine whether that is AI for xofelf or not.

one of? Is there a reason that you are coming at me sideways instead of facing me head on? I'm hardly the first person to have conflicting reasoning on a slot and not doing a meta dive...what makes me unique in this situation? This seems overly nitpicky and a little hypocritical given that your intro is nothing but you agreeing with other people's reads and not giving any reasoning for your reads (me/datsi)


Also, elf claimed/confirmed that it wasn't AI in 250 so ???

Making my semi-yearly mafia appearance with a playerlist I'm pretty excited about.

While its great to hear from you it would have been much better if you talked about the first 8 pages.

You going to be this annoying all game or just play mafia?

I think calling out xoelf for fluff posting in lieu of content is a fairly productive use of a post. Like is there a reason that I shouldn't have been @ a contentless fluff poster?

Mostly because Nero hadn't done anything out of normal range there

What do you know of my range? As far as I'm aware we've only played once and I was town there. So if you've only seen me play town how can you question Ausuka's town read on the basis of range when you don't know what it is? If you think I am playing differently than our game together why not say that?

Your whole line of reasoning is that FB scum would claim scum as a rouse, correct?

more or less. Like I might be overcompensating for Infernal Affairs where he said things like

not voting me is a scum claim.

im clearly scum here. don't u slander me

The reason that I started to scum read him is that he was calling for votes on himself.

but if you read his ISO in the two games it's maybe not an apples to apples comparison. Like in IA he had a series of posts before ever calling himself scum and here he just comes right out and claims scum. Maybe the difference means nothing, maybe it means that he's more likely to be town here.

I was also a little suspicious of

so far VP, Ari, FB and maaaaayyybbbbeeee HEM seem a lil scummy. I like GL's stuff on scamper too.

HEM Is my only townread right now. How dare you

Like I really thought VP and Ari were scummy and when FB town reads the towniest of those 3 it made me

[Ausuka]

one of? Is there a reason that you are coming at me sideways instead of facing me head on?

This is the same thought I had earlier and I like Nero better for it

The FB thing feels more like a gimmick than AI to me

[VP Baltar]

in this world if you’re town and datisi isn’t right do you think he picks at the bare minimum thing like that to start engaging with you or about you since it’s pretty weak?

i kiiiind of think that it’s a little towny to feel entitled to xyz happening and harder for a wolf to fake? or not hard but the option isn’t maybe the first to mind...?

does that make sense lol

it kind of makes sense.

I always feel like datisi and I have like seven levels of gambits going on. Before this game started, I intentionally thought to myself "should I mess with datisi in RVS and see his response." I wouldn't say that I was consciously doing that here, but it did strike me as weird for him to bring that up in his reasoning around ari.

I don't really agree that this would be hard for datisi!wolf to fake, as you admit, but I think it comes to mind for me because we almost always have to mix it up every game at some point early. So maybe I'm overthinking it, but still struck me as odd.

[Aristeia]

Nero is there a reason you're less aggro/tunnely than I usually see you be as town?