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[scamper]

VOTE: gamma emerald
Fuck this game.

can u not

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma emerald
Fuck this game.

can u not

I feel like a lot of the push against me is in bad faith so I kinda think flipping me would be good to force everyone on me to cover their asses for it

[marcistar]

I feel like you should know I am easily distracted and thus the lurking push does not feel like it has honest motives
I also think your point about “you’re playing like me” feels like a lazy read. I would expect you to attempt to parse what is causing me to feel like that, but instead you’re leaping to calling it scummy.

does not feel like honest motives?!?!? you know what else does not feel like honest motives?!?! ur iso.
i have NEVER seen you this "distracted" i feel as if ur just making excuses so that you can prey on everyone elses pity.
im not trying to "sus u for playing like me" im just making a statement that it reminds me of me?? why are you so on edge and taking everything as a hate on you@??!?!
also when have i ever been able to actuqlly read you? that feels like a bs point since uve seen me make a "bad push on you" before, why are you expecting im suddenly so much better?? what if i learnt no lesson, you're just trying to get me off ur ass.

[scamper]

ConManMick, I meant to follow up with another question but I think you missed the first one.

I asked you why you voted Ari because i think it's a bit suspicious when you could have wagoned the eira slot which you scumread and also who dann replaced
you followed it up with an "iso" on dann that i thought didn't make a bit of sense and the conclusion that dann was town and a bad wagon came out of nowhere. i wanted you to expound on that.

hm

VOTE: conman

[Gamma Emerald]

idfk marci
Either you’re town making a shit-awful push because you don’t know how to play better or you’re scum hiding behind seemingly bad play. But you’re starting to legitimately piss me off here.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t feel as betrayed by the lurking push rn but there’s definitely an off vibe from marci still

[marcistar]

can i ask u a question gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

Go wild.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m waiting.

[marcistar]

sorry im at work

anyways

why are you so pressed if ur not scum?

[marcistar]

thats a joke i have an actual question

[marcistar]

I don’t feel as betrayed by the lurking push rn but there’s definitely an off vibe from marci still

why does it feel like someone told u to backdown

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t feel as betrayed by the lurking push rn but there’s definitely an off vibe from marci still

why does it feel like someone told u to backdown

I looked back over our logs and realized I never told you about my Calamity playthrough
So I had no real reason to expect you to know exactly what I was doing

[Nero Cain]

what is your calamity playthrough?

[GuiltyLion]

hi all, just read up but I have friends coming over shortly and I don't have as much time as I'd like to post about things in depth. I might be able to come back to this game tonight once they leave but tbh not sure how late that will be / how tired I will be.

I have a lot of thoughts/replies to VPB's case (no surprises there) but want to collect my thoughts and post when I can properly do them justice

I don't think Gamma is scummy at all - this feels fairly in line with her towngame and I think with how she's treated marci specifically (initially slightly protective of her -> evolving into disliking/suspecting her) feels more likely to be a town progression given my understanding of their friendship

I still don't have a reason to TR marci and kinda feels like she's intentionally trying to rile up Gamma here

what I liked about CMM is his aggressiveness/hostility towards slots voting him. like he doesn't seem afraid at all to pick fights, could certainly be scum bravado but my gut reaction feels it's authentic townie

still pleased with a Dann vote, I know he got annoyed with being accused of being surface level but I still kinda feel all of his analysis of the game has felt a bit forced/unnatural and not fitting a more nuanced vibe I've felt from him in our past town games together

[scamper]

Spoiler:

I'm finding it pretty hard to be invested in this game because of the long weekend in the US, but I'm going to raise a few points about GuiltyLion that kind of bug me. This is far from a comprehensive analysis of his ISO, but I need to force myself to be involved here otherwise I'll just end up not logging in all weekend.


I'll say I started off the game kind of being OK with GL. I didn't mind his pushes on scamper and FB, and I could at least understand where he was coming from there. But as the game has progressed, I've found the things he's pushing to be quite nonsensical and filled with busy work.

As an example:

like specifically, he's the one who brought up the idea of a shitfight with Nero to begin with. Then when Nero was like "actually why aren't you fighting with me", his response was "cause that's what I would do if I were scum, and I'm not scum". idk if I'm effectively communicating the point, but it just feels like comments weren't meant to do anything other than imply that his play is town

This is such a nonsense point he is trying to even make. The person who got freaking OUTRAGED that I asked a clarifying question about who he was referring to (1214 is around the end of this argument for those who need refreshing) is trying to use a clear joke as a shade point against me. It just doesn't make sense when he thinks its so fake for me to not understand him, but then he can't comprehend jokes. Give me a fucking break. He's either town who is way over committed to a scum!VP worldview and is trying to score cheap points, or he's scum. I have a hard time believing the former considering I had to goad him about not actually being willing to vote me without cover of a wagon.

i'm not personally really townreading but a number of my townreads are and I'm currently ok with that: {dv, marci, xofelf}

would yeet: {dann, conman, firebringer, vpb}

This is an absolute trash reads list, imo. DV looks pretty town to me this game. Marci seems pretty townie, though she's opaque sometimes. xofelf is probably null to town lean for me. Dann and conman I've talked about already. FB did look scummy to me early on, so I can agree there. And I'm town.

So like, where's the beef in this reads list? Unless I'm so dead wrong on my reads at the start of this game, I have trouble seeing how people see this list from GL as credibly a good take from someone who has been HIGHLY engaged with the game so far.

i think this could be following the same trajectory as turing test here where i kinda lowkey scumread GL for most of d1 and then it gets to eod and he summarizes his reads and oops turns out we agree on almost everything maybe he's just town

can you give me like the top liner for why you're voting CMM instead of Dann? I'm considering switching but kinda want to see what Dann does on return

And the last thing that really bugs me about GL is the constant looking for cover from other players. I've made this point already, and GL says "well I do this as town"...which means absolutely nothing. That's an easy meta thing to exploit and duplicate as scum so you take no responsibility for anything that happens.

The extremely hedgy "I'm considering switching" just reads like he's testing the waters with fire here to see what they think before actually making a move. It's gross and doesn't have town vibes to me.

In that situation, if I'm actually unsure of what to do, I might ask a more direct question, like: "Hey fire, I think CMM is scummy for XYZ, but I'm unsure if I'm over analyzing that. I"d like your opinion." Instead, we get a trial balloon floated.



Datisi, I'd be curious to hear what you find townie about GL since you said that's your read there. What am I missing?

TLDR on GL:

-Shading and making pedantic arguments with people that aren't scumhunting. Evil intentions!
- Readlist stinks to high heaven.
- Too afraid to live his own life. Wants excuses in the future when he's on a misyeet D1.

i dont want to feel like this is getting glossed over, but im really not sure any of this adds up to being scum...at most i get that u disagree with his reads and the language hes using, but i feel like even that is selective because ive felt in a few paces like hes been genuinely solcing. its really kind of a vibe read so not that high confidence but i dont feel like limming gl

[GuiltyLion]

why are you so on edge and taking everything as a hate on you@??!?!

on this specifically, do you really think this is out of character for Gamma? like I have experienced Gamma Taking Things Personally and Being On Edge when town before, it strikes me as a lot more personality indicative than alignment inidicative and given that you've hydra'd with Gamma several times before I'm struggling to see a good faith interpretation for this question

[VP Baltar]

what I liked about CMM is his aggressiveness/hostility towards slots voting him. like he doesn't seem afraid at all to pick fights, could certainly be scum bravado but my gut reaction feels it's authentic townie

who is he being hostile toward?

[VP Baltar]

GuiltyLion...is the conman townread a recent thing?

[GuiltyLion]

Spoiler: examples of ConMan aggression

Vote me then.
This is forum Mafia, the whole thing is a notepad.
What's cagey about it?

I'm not up to date yet but look at the naked votes and the bullshit "X, tell me why I should vote for Y?" Followed by immediate "ok!" Votes tomorrow, and the egos who think they're beyond being elimmed

I can't remember who said about only having mentioned three townreads but like
There's twenty people or whatever here
I'm not gonna go around like the town toothfairy and dole out wee gold stars for everyone
If I haven't mentioned them then I haven't got to them, I'll look if I'm asked or I get there

Pedit yeah maybe it wasn't a nice way to say it but all that shit you have to say about your fantastic leading games from the back of your own wagon just rubs me the wrong way

And like, it's a large game, you can afford to lose me as town if it makes catching scum easier, so idk what vibe you want to give off with that "talk shit get limmed" stuff, I'm not exactly shaking in my boots

wrt you other question - it's fairly recent given his prior two bouts of posting, I suggested I wasn't interested in voting him anymore in 2191 in response to scamper's 2190

[Nero Cain]

can we just kill someone already? mon this game is a borefest

[humaneatingmonkey]

maybe not.

UNVOTE: Gamma
VOTE: Dannflor

back to here.

[marcistar]

why are you so on edge and taking everything as a hate on you@??!?!

on this specifically, do you really think this is out of character for Gamma? like I have experienced Gamma Taking Things Personally and Being On Edge when town before, it strikes me as a lot more personality indicative than alignment inidicative and given that you've hydra'd with Gamma several times before I'm struggling to see a good faith interpretation for this question

oh look its gammas scumbuddy zz ez game

[GuiltyLion]

that's quite an underwhelming response to my question