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[Nero Cain]

I refuse to be on the same line with TSQ. Move on of us down.

[humaneatingmonkey]

so you're saying im scum for trying to get reaction from a slot that i should have known is town?
why should i be townreading scamper anyway?

[fireisredsir]

i think trying to 1v1 scamper if you're both town hurts town way more than it helps

do you know if scamper is town??

no but i think he is and i don't think its useful atp to doubt that

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay dont doubt then, convince me.

[fireisredsir]

so you're saying im scum for trying to get reaction from a slot that i should have known is town?
why should i be townreading scamper anyway?

no? im saying i don't get why you would do your whole fake aggro push shtick as town here

and im getting flashbacks to panic room where i couldn't tell if you were making fake pushes or real pushes and where it felt like as soon as you got called out for having bad reasons for a push you were like "aha, but it was a reaction test all along! got you!"

im not sure that you're scum but im fine being on the wagon

[Nero Cain]

now watch scum be dats, fire, and scamper lol

[DeasVail]

I refuse to be on the same line with TSQ. Move on of us down.

Town: thestatusquo, ausuka, datisi, guiltylion
Town?: fireisredsir, obscure, nero cain, ydrasse, dannflor, scamper, HEM
Maybe town: Enchant, S_S
Not town: Frogsterking, Gamma, Marcistar

This is another possible variation of my reads. Is that better?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i don't get why you would do your whole fake aggro push shtick as town here

so i can have an entry point and not have to read a bunch of stuff

[humaneatingmonkey]

anyway, i really need to get going

[Nero Cain]

yes, TY DV

[DeasVail]

I was reading over HEM and I sort of like the juxtaposition of non-serious posting and occasional actual serious pushes that it

feels

like they get excited about. E.g the CMM push.

But the other thing about the CMM push was 2452 where I would more expect scum to be all like "I WILL DIE BY MY CMM READ" rather than be all like "yeah dann or CMM whatever sounds good to me" (paraphrased). I think scum would pretend to care more in HEM's position there.

[fireisredsir]

i don't get why you would do your whole fake aggro push shtick as town here

so i can have an entry point and not have to read a bunch of stuff

k well strongarming the game into revolving around you seems kinda anti town to me, and also a lot closer to your usual scum game than your town game, but go off ig

[scamper]

like scamper could have built a wagon on me all along, damn

i very explicitly have not been trying to strongarm my reads until now because i dont like doing that and my confidence level has not been high enough to warrant doing so. u would know that if u actually cared to read anything i said. i didnt start calling u lockscum until u started making nonsense attacks on me that show u are not concerned with actually solving

[Frogsterking]

a lot closer to your usual scum game

Is this a true statement?

[DeasVail]

idk the only HEM-town game that I've seen they needed to be saved by a mason claim so maybe I'm underestimating their ability to look town.

[fireisredsir]

a lot closer to your usual scum game

Is this a true statement?

i mean that was the impression that i had in panic room and i found them as scum there bc of it

i don't know if it's like a 100% foolproof kind of thing but it is like exactly the issue i had with them there

[Thestatusquo]

I do not like this response even a little bit.

I don't buy that HEM even expected to be attacked for his posts. For him to come in and claim it was a master plan to get scum read as a GAMBIT to out all the scum who would VOTE FOR HIM despite the existence of two other wagons that already had momentum is just...a lot to swallow.

[Thestatusquo]

Like I was on the fence and sheeping scamper. Now I want you dead for sure.

[Thestatusquo]

I refuse to be on the same line with TSQ. Move on of us down.

idek what this is referring to but sure move me down whoever.

[Thestatusquo]

oh its deas reads list.

[DeasVail]

I do not like this response even a little bit.

I don't buy that HEM even expected to be attacked for his posts. For him to come in and claim it was a master plan to get scum read as a GAMBIT to out all the scum who would VOTE FOR HIM despite the existence of two other wagons that already had momentum is just...a lot to swallow.

tbf HEM did challenge scamper to build the HEM wagon

I am feeling very cautious about my sort-of townread on HEM, but that's not really what's bothering me

PEdit: Nero was talking about my reads list. And it's okay, I moved Nero down.

[humaneatingmonkey]

to get scum read as a GAMBIT

to get scamper to build a wagon on me*

[humaneatingmonkey]

i honestly expected a little more shuffling and not a full ass wagon within 8 hours
kinda amazing tbh

[fireisredsir]

ok this was my post in that game for reference

Spoiler: from panic room

Subject: Open 849 - Panic Room! -- Game over!

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

can you expand on your reasoning for wanting to yeet this slot?

i think he knows that he has a meta of pressuring and tunneling to gauge reactions as town, and knows that people in this game know that, but the way that he's doing it in this game feels too... calculated? like he doesn't really care about the results of what he's pressuring. it feels like it's just keeping up appearances. in the scumgames of his that i've read, he also likes to aggressively push for the position of a town leader early

if roden/ydrasse are town, and i know now that me/yeet are town, i think scum would want to get in there and sheep them on their bombsolve theories, and pump them up a little bit. the way that he interacted with the bombsolving felt more like that kind of behavior than it did genuine solving

i also think his push on umlaut was poorly supported, and felt suspiciously like his earlier cases that were fake for pressure, but he claimed that this one was real

i think his play around the end of day with the switch onto yeet looks extremely bad. seeing it live i was actually convinced he was partners with yeet and bussing. it was a pretty sudden turn onto yeet and dialed way up past the point of believability, conveniently right when it seemed like there was the possibility for a wagon to form on monkey himself

plus he said himself that he is easy to sort when put under pressure. so wagoning him is a win-win

ig there's the question of if here does it feel calculated and does he care about the results. i think i don't feel that vibe as much which is why im not as confident on a scumread. but there are aspects of his play here that do remind me of his scumgame

im still not really sure what the push on scamper was supposed to accomplish or what info he would gain from it and that's where i have the issue

[DeasVail]

does it feel calculated and does he care about the results

that is the question yeah