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[geraintm]

Those wanting me to move my vote. As I am town and reckon I am 90% likely to be on a town elimination if I do end up on a wagon somewhere, I'd rather one extra scum was on the wagon instead of me, get their hands dirty

[MalcolmTucker]

The previous post sums up exactly why I'm not against voting Porkens. Barring a full-on town confirmation. players like him almost always get voted off eventually. It's a matter of when, not if.

But here's a fun fact: Galron really has arguably done even

less

than Porkens has, he just hasn't been as obvious about it. He has given exactly one reason to suspect Drapion (#179), said he's voting him or Malcolm is #384, and given exactly one reason to suspect Malcolm (#472). That's... Really it.

Porkers may be doing next to nothing, but his approach to Wayward, as much as I had to pull teeth to get him to actually elaborate on anything, is more than we've gotten out of Galron. Porkens is failing, but Galron feels like he's totally lurking from commitment.

I feel like we have circled around this train while discussing trains to oppose it, while most people seem to agree everyone voting him is town, while the player the train is on hasn't given us any reason to look away him. I have yet to see anything that resembles true, game-solving thought process, and he's the lowest poster in the entire game, who has done effectively nothing since September 13th.

This may be a bit of a reach but if Galron is scum, and Gera is perhaps a teammate, could this maybe explain Gera's sudden scumread on me when I agreed with them?

Gera throws a casual, jokey vote at a teammate which may have the added effect of some scum distancing, but then begins to panic a bit once they realise their vote could be construed as being a serious push? Having TR'd Gera early on there's just been something really off about their sudden push since then for someone who admits they typically don't see much value in D1.

Gera doesn't believe they should be suspected because it's D1 and it's impossible to sort them confidently at this stage, but has also seemingly confidently sorted me as scum, thereby defying their own logic.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah sorry must’ve misread

[MalcolmTucker]

I've seen Gera do this no elimination on D1 thing before but my issue at the moment is they weren't particularly bothered about it early on and appeared to be genuinely scumhunting, whereas now they seriously want to avoid us voting while we look to consolidate on Galron's wagon.

Given the short period of time we have left I think I'm content vote here. But town should obviously be careful as we'll be approaching hammer soon, think my vote is the 4th.

VOTE: Galron

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’ll restate my reads.
My Towns: Cres, Porkens, Kitty, Gera and Malcolm
My PoE: Shiji, Salsa, Wayward, Galron and RJAC
Probably least confident in Salsa.

[MalcolmTucker]

Yeah I'm not real sure what trap geraintm was trying to set but he seems to have had something in mind.

anyone who decided to pipe up after my vote on you and said they found you sus, well, i just have that down as weird sucking up and i dont like it. not one bit

Like this is really odd. Why is anyone who thinks Galron is scum after Gera votes for Galron therefore scummy? Especially when Gera otherwise believes it's hard to sort players on D1. The logic just isn't consistent.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I've seen Gera do this no elimination on D1 thing before but my issue at the moment is they weren't particularly bothered about it early on and appeared to be genuinely scumhunting, whereas now they seriously want to avoid us voting while we look to consolidate on Galron's wagon.

Given the short period of time we have left I think I'm content vote here. But town should obviously be careful as we'll be approaching hammer soon, think my vote is the 4th.

VOTE: Galron

It could also be that they just really want you execution.

[MalcolmTucker]

I've seen Gera do this no elimination on D1 thing before but my issue at the moment is they weren't particularly bothered about it early on and appeared to be genuinely scumhunting, whereas now they seriously want to avoid us voting while we look to consolidate on Galron's wagon.

Given the short period of time we have left I think I'm content vote here. But town should obviously be careful as we'll be approaching hammer soon, think my vote is the 4th.

VOTE: Galron

It could also be that they just really want you execution.

It could be and I believe Gera has approached the game this way as town before (certainly the no lim D1 thing has come from them as town), but their logic and read on me feels inconsistent and forced, and it came directly in response to me disliking Galron's post early on.

[ProfessorDrapion]

@Salsa
If your town I highly suggest re-evaluating on a Galron!Town flip.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I've seen Gera do this no elimination on D1 thing before but my issue at the moment is they weren't particularly bothered about it early on and appeared to be genuinely scumhunting, whereas now they seriously want to avoid us voting while we look to consolidate on Galron's wagon.

Given the short period of time we have left I think I'm content vote here. But town should obviously be careful as we'll be approaching hammer soon, think my vote is the 4th.

VOTE: Galron

It could also be that they just really want you execution.

It could be and I believe Gera has approached the game this way as town before (certainly the no lim D1 thing has come from them as town), but their logic and read on me feels inconsistent and forced, and it came directly in response to me disliking Galron's post early on.

I mean it could just be pocket paranoia as they aren’t wrong that a wolf will purposely follow a vote from someone.
Usually if it is TvT vote.
That’s why I see what they were getting at and wolf read you myself but after reading some of your posts I no longer believe you to be a wolf but you are my weakest town read in par with Kitty.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I still believe you and Kitty to be more town then Salsa though.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Which is my weakest wolf read.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Salsa
If your town I highly suggest re-evaluating on a Galron!Town flip.

I mean I'll definitely re-evaluate if my scumread flip green or townread flip red.
Do you think

Galron

v

Wayward

is TvS?

[ProfessorDrapion]

But it’s more PoE then anything.

[ProfessorDrapion]

@Salsa
If your town I highly suggest re-evaluating on a Galron!Town flip.

I mean I'll definitely re-evaluate if my scumread flip green or townread flip red.
Do you think

Galron

v

Wayward

is TvS?

I think it’s definitely possible yeah.

[Crescent]

And for the record it has all the makings of scum getting pressure and then lurking to try to wait it out. Galron has had 3 votes for about 50 hours. In this span, he has just 8 posts. There's been some very light shade at Malcolm, and... Really nothing else. He has made zero attempt to do anything towards the train on him, just some "pst pst hey look at Malcolm" followed by nothing.

[ProfessorDrapion]

And for the record it has all the makings of scum getting pressure and then lurking to try to wait it out. Galron has had 3 votes for about 50 hours. In this span, he has just 8 posts. There's been some very light shade at Malcolm, and... Really nothing else. He has made zero attempt to do anything towards the train on him, just some "pst pst hey look at Malcolm" followed by nothing.

Yeah Galron will tell us allot from their flip.
They should always be the execution today.

Even though I strongly believe Wayward is the wolf, Galron execution should make things more clear in regards to where wolves were/are.

[Salsabil Faria]

I've seen Gera do this no elimination on D1 thing before but my issue at the moment is they weren't particularly bothered about it early on and appeared to be genuinely scumhunting, whereas now they seriously want to avoid us voting while we look to consolidate on Galron's wagon.

Given the short period of time we have left I think I'm content vote here. But town should obviously be careful as we'll be approaching hammer soon, think my vote is the 4th.

VOTE: Galron

It could also be that they just really want you execution.

It could be and I believe Gera has approached the game this way as town before (certainly the no lim D1 thing has come from them as town), but their logic and read on me feels inconsistent and forced, and it came directly in response to me disliking Galron's post early on.

I mean it could just be pocket paranoia as they aren’t wrong that a wolf will purposely follow a vote from someone.
Usually if it is TvT vote.
That’s why I see what they were getting at and wolf read you myself but after reading some of your posts I no longer believe you to be a wolf but you are my weakest town read in par with Kitty.

If scum can't get a miselimination in the day phase, they can certainly push for no-elimination.... it benefits scum in both ways.

[Crescent]

Oh and that's 4.

...Yeah pediting isn't a thing where I come from and I just don't bother with it. It feels unnatural to me.

[Crescent]

I've seen Gera do this no elimination on D1 thing before but my issue at the moment is they weren't particularly bothered about it early on and appeared to be genuinely scumhunting, whereas now they seriously want to avoid us voting while we look to consolidate on Galron's wagon.

Given the short period of time we have left I think I'm content vote here. But town should obviously be careful as we'll be approaching hammer soon, think my vote is the 4th.

VOTE: Galron

It could also be that they just really want you execution.

It could be and I believe Gera has approached the game this way as town before (certainly the no lim D1 thing has come from them as town), but their logic and read on me feels inconsistent and forced, and it came directly in response to me disliking Galron's post early on.

I mean it could just be pocket paranoia as they aren’t wrong that a wolf will purposely follow a vote from someone.
Usually if it is TvT vote.
That’s why I see what they were getting at and wolf read you myself but after reading some of your posts I no longer believe you to be a wolf but you are my weakest town read in par with Kitty.

If scum can't get a miselimination in the day phase, they can certainly push for no-elimination.... it benefits scum in both ways.

Like I'd rather self-hammer than allow a no-vote. In a game with long day phases (Most of my games have had 48 hour days), not having any information going into night 1/day 2 is nightmarish. It's bad enough in 48.

I am fairly sure I saw Gera bring up a day 1 no vote in a different game, but I don't remember what it was... Though I am curious now that I'm thinking about it.

[Salsabil Faria]

I can remember

geraintm

's

D1 is useless; I don't feel like playing in D1

kind of attitude.... not impossible for them to say no-elimination in D1 as either alignment ig.

[Crescent]

He showed favoritism towards day one no-votes in 2273, but as a single data point I wouldn't say it amounts to much. Consider curiosity sated, I guess.

[Crescent]

Oh and the other reason I don't vote a lot is other people tend to be vote happy and I don't feel mine is necessary to bring pressure. Admittedly I find it kind of fun to lead a train on scum and get them voted off without even voting for them myself.

Side note: MT being cautious about vote count jives with me. He accidentally hammered day 1 in 240 after I didn't announce my vote on Meg was -1 - I felt it should've been obvious given the guy was -2 for over 30 hours.

[Wayward Son]

The ONLY thing stopping me from riding the Day out with a vote on Professor is his claim. IF we're both Town, we'll never be able to work together. We seem to disagree on

everything

, and that doesn't feel natural. No Town bloc there.

VOTE: Galron

[Salsabil Faria]

Galron

is at E-1.