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[GuiltyLion]

like if Gamma is actually the original one dropping a random unprompted "will explain later" vote on Eiralox, that makes me think Gamma/Eiralox is not S-S

if Relly then memes that phrasing in direct response for his Gamma vote, it doesn't mean anything, cause I could see that as cheeky scum!Relly voting Gamma using her original vote as a joke reference

[Dannflor]

ok i went and dealt with my paranoia about ausuka

nvm about that if anyone cared

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

[Frogsterking]

ok i went and dealt with my paranoia about ausuka

nvm about that if anyone cared

What happened?

[scamper]

i have almost no townreads i feel confident about beyond the consensus ones which is fun™. i had GL but the recent pages gave me Doubts and now im a bit adrift

if we can correctly trim the poe down to 6 names we should be good but there's a lot to review

[Dannflor]

I kinda like S_S's attempt to read me?

I mean maybe it is just designed to pocket me specifically but it felt nice

[Dannflor]

ok i went and dealt with my paranoia about ausuka

nvm about that if anyone cared

What happened?

Ausuka's WIM has fallen off a lot and I think that can happen a lot with deep wolf positions and then just no one ever reevaluates

but I reread and decided my fears were unfounded

[Frogsterking]

[s_s, fire, guilty, mena, frogster, deas]

find town in here game easy

Okay the optimal sequence here is to eliminate Menalque and then look for the busser tomorrow. Let me know what I can do to speed this process up.

[Nero Cain]

scum vote each other all the time and I don't think Relly saying that he'll "explain later" is something that scum could never do.

I do feel like scum do vote town with explanations like "will explain later" but we know Gamma was scum (and Rellys reason was weak) is it not possible that Relly was just attempting to make Gamma look like town should he flip?

[GuiltyLion]

I've cooled on the idea of a fireisred vote

I liked Menalque's entry and I liked that Shea had the same reaction in 5921, like that post basically exactly aligned with my feelings

so if Shea is town then I feel like my intuition + another townie having the same response is good reason to not vote Menalque
if Shea is scum then I find that more likely to be a white-knighty read
either universe makes me not want to vote Mena

I don't know if scum!Frogster does a whole dog and pony show about digging into whether scum!GL unvotes obscure the way he did

I don't really have any votes that call to me other than Smart, but I don't have anything damning on Smart, just the fact that his playstyle is hard to townread and I didn't vibe with FB and that I've been stuck with that slot in my POE the whole game

so uh, yeah

[Dannflor]

yes I think the point is that interaction is not clearing for relly/gamma

[Frogsterking]

ok i went and dealt with my paranoia about ausuka

nvm about that if anyone cared

What happened?

Ausuka's WIM has fallen off a lot and I think that can happen a lot with deep wolf positions and then just no one ever reevaluates

but I reread and decided my fears were unfounded

I think it's NAI due to starting University. if you read some of their most recent posts they legit read like they're tired enough they can barely post.

Is there a legit reason you have against voting Menalque or my theory that scum got PoE'd on D1?

[Nero Cain]

yes I think the point is that interaction is not clearing for relly/gamma

GL's point was that it WAS.

[GuiltyLion]

scum vote each other all the time and I don't think Relly saying that he'll "explain later" is something that scum could never do.

I do feel like scum do vote town with explanations like "will explain later" but we know Gamma was scum (and Rellys reason was weak) is it not possible that Relly was just attempting to make Gamma look like town should he flip?

no, my point was that it WOULD HAVE BEEN if Gamma hadn't said the same thing like 10 posts prior

[GuiltyLion]

oops, quote bug, was responding more to 6137

but yeah I think - had Gamma not said the exact same thing earlier - scum voting each other would have more of an agenda to it, especially since Relly had been voicing a scumread/desire to vote Gamma throughout but hadn't explained it in any capacity up to that point.

[Frogsterking]

I've seen him in scum games and I'm pretty sure that after my first hiatus he was scum in a game that skitter and S_S (and lowkey maybe you?) were also in, and while I think town won I think he was convincingly a lot more engaged for a long time than he normally is as town

oh shit yes i was there, that's right

ok i kinda skimmed his iso there

and i do say that he was more involved there than here

however, that game still feels like much less involvement for him than holiday dance party was, and firebringer was my strongest townread in holiday dance party

so overall i deem the fact he's not present a lot Not Clearing - especially as he claimed to have been busy during d1

I take it he was town in holiday dance party?

fb was lowkey nowhere near excited enough about the game (esp in a Pl that he likes and knows people in) to be scum, it's just a couple of jokes and a lot of bland and then I assume he repped out

have you ever actually played with scum-firebringer to know this? i know it's a popular joke, but still

I've seen him in scum games and I'm pretty sure that after my first hiatus he was scum in a game that skitter and S_S (and lowkey maybe you?) were also in, and while I think town won I think he was convincingly a lot more engaged for a long time than he normally is as town

T3 made this game as a reaction test

Also we can be friends I guess Mena I feel like your response was probably town

If you betray me I will cry

I would never, I am the towniest lil townboi there is

hence why I'm not yelling at scamper about game throwing

This is a scum response.

hang on, explain this

I've seen the "I don't know why you're doing this town but you must have a good reason so I'm not accusing you of game throwing" response way more from scum than town. I feel like town has more of an inclination to get immediately angry whereas scum tries to remain calm and try to figure a way out. Shrug.

Specifically the verbiage "this is weird you're not throwing" to me comes from scum way more often then town in these spots, just as a personal experience sort of thing.

firstly, I am trying to turn over a new, chilled out leaf and to continue on my path to tranquility

secondly, this initially pinged me as v performative seeing as I was basically 100% dead there as scum and so calling out anything I said as "scummy" seemed redundant if you were legitimately convinced I was. idk how scum!me would be figuring out a way out there and so I couldn't see how you would think that's what I was doing, but if it's more that just the non-angry vibe was reminiscent of prior scum reactions I suppose that makes sense

I didn't have a particular reason when I did the thing, I was reacting. I saw a bunch of posts in the pedit of the iso dive I did on frogsterking, said "eh, those are probably just nonsense." and then came into the thread to see shit raining down from the sky. Then I reacted to that shit.

I think that post would really only be performative in the way you're suggesting if we're buddies though. Like if you're town and I'm scum why would I make that post?

because ironically I think that when scum are ~around~ at the time that someone is getting wagoned and they don't wanna duck thread I've often seen them go for statements like "this is a scum claim" "this always comes from scum" "this is a scum reaction" to have some involvement in the shindig and I guess sometimes to play into looking like they're uninformed?

animal crossing.

oh gotcha

what is acnh

fb was lowkey nowhere near excited enough about the game (esp in a Pl that he likes and knows people in) to be scum, it's just a couple of jokes and a lot of bland and then I assume he repped out

have you ever actually played with scum-firebringer to know this? i know it's a popular joke, but still

I've seen him in scum games and I'm pretty sure that after my first hiatus he was scum in a game that skitter and S_S (and lowkey maybe you?) were also in, and while I think town won I think he was convincingly a lot more engaged for a long time than he normally is as town

T3 made this game as a reaction test

Also we can be friends I guess Mena I feel like your response was probably town

If you betray me I will cry

I would never, I am the towniest lil townboi there is

hence why I'm not yelling at scamper about game throwing

This is a scum response.

hang on, explain this

I've seen the "I don't know why you're doing this town but you must have a good reason so I'm not accusing you of game throwing" response way more from scum than town. I feel like town has more of an inclination to get immediately angry whereas scum tries to remain calm and try to figure a way out. Shrug.

Specifically the verbiage "this is weird you're not throwing" to me comes from scum way more often then town in these spots, just as a personal experience sort of thing.

firstly, I am trying to turn over a new, chilled out leaf and to continue on my path to tranquility

secondly, this initially pinged me as v performative seeing as I was basically 100% dead there as scum and so calling out anything I said as "scummy" seemed redundant if you were legitimately convinced I was. idk how scum!me would be figuring out a way out there and so I couldn't see how you would think that's what I was doing, but if it's more that just the non-angry vibe was reminiscent of prior scum reactions I suppose that makes sense

It's not going to work Menalque I'm watching your slot lurk out and I'm not unvoting.

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Menalque
VOTE: Menalque
VOTE: Menalque
VOTE: Menalque

[fireisredsir]

frog please don't

[GuiltyLion]

Frog what do you think about the idea that Menalque appeared to genuinely not know that his slot had already claimed VT

do you think that Menalque did know this and was bluffing/lying
or do you think he got lucky with the exact same fakeclaim

cause if he's scum it has to be one or the other and neither feels correct to me, especially since other players have expressed similar doubts that he was aware of obscure's VT claim

[Nero Cain]

I know Ari is rolling in the grave here but what if my reads were just actually good? 2 of my d1 scumreads have already flipped scum.

I dunno, I just can't get over Relly calling Skitter town b/c she was being "attacked" which no one did. I don't put much stock into TSQ's "I wouldn't distance from another buddy if I already had a dead buddy and his reactions to me d2 were dumb.

[Nero Cain]

my take away from 6098 is that maybe eiralox/Dann wasn't scum. I don't really agree that Gamma/relly using the same "will explain later" is associative clearing of them.

is likely where I want to go today.

Something_Smart
Menalque
Thestatusquo

VOTE: SS

[GuiltyLion]

town: {Nero, Ausuka, Datisi, Scamper, CSF}
eh, maybe there's a scum in here, but probably not: {Ydrasse, DV, Dann, Frog}
don't want to lim today but wouldn't be totally surprised: {fireisred, Mena}
would lim: {Smart, TSQ}

I think the more I look at other slots the more TSQ scum actually makes sense? I dunno I'm hesitant to push it unless the appointed town leaders wanna go there cause if it's wrong it feels more likely to be damaging to town win than a Smart flip, but my current worldview doesn't have a lot of room for scum and fire/Mena have both made townie feeling posts today imo

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Something_Smart

[Frogsterking]

Frog what do you think about the idea that Menalque appeared to genuinely not know that his slot had already claimed VT

I think they replaced in a long time ago right? And they possibly read what happened to Shea/CSF, are familiar with a bunch of the players here, and have seen that reaction test a dozen times before?

I think Menalque took the laziest path of least resistance to not get voted out by faking the easiest Town tell in the world, posted some filler and tried to pocket a couple people, then discreetly disappeared with no resolution to their position within the game or anything that would resemble a Townie motivation to doing anything within their own agency to participate in the game.

[Frogsterking]

frog please don't

Don't want? I thought you weren't resistant to a Menalque wagon?