Open 865 | CultD3 | Postgame

[catboi]

Vote Count 1.04

I've been waiting for her for so long
Open the sky and let her come down

MathBlade (3):

Roden, Elements, Fredrick A Campbell

Gamma Emerald (2):

Malakittens, ProfessorDrapion

ProfessorDrapion (2):

Not Known 15, Gamma Emerald

Not Known 15 (1):

MegAzumarill

Roden (1):

MathBlade

With 9 alive, it's 5 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is September 28 at 11:00 AM EDT.

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[Roden]

Oh sweet, I can actually read Math

Vibe of the game so far was that your slot wasn't doing much and seemed frozen. I scum read Drapion independently of Hutmeil, but I read Hutmeil's inaction as scummier. Meg, Elements, and Gamma all seem pretty townie, not sure on Mala and Fred yet. NK15 is a player that I'm waiting for a meta tell before I settle on a read there.

Why no question/comment for Drapion?

[MathBlade]

Oh sweet, I can actually read Math

Vibe of the game so far was that your slot wasn't doing much and seemed frozen. I scum read Drapion independently of Hutmeil, but I read Hutmeil's inaction as scummier. Meg, Elements, and Gamma all seem pretty townie, not sure on Mala and Fred yet. NK15 is a player that I'm waiting for a meta tell before I settle on a read there.

Why no question/comment for Drapion?

Because I got a sense of Drapion from the last few posts is that Drapion has some strong opinions re Gamma based on Meg’s posting.

Drapion is one of those people who will speak enough.

[MathBlade]

And lol if you can read me I would be thrilled but the more often someone says that the more often someone is wrong about it or scum. So kinda going to see if you read me right.

[MathBlade]

I agree with the early read on Elements, CL probably just does their best to fade into the background D1.

I kinda think maybe Meg (if Elements is scum) as a good CL or Drapion. If Elements is town.

I think certain players play scum and therefore different.

Still catching up but I don’t get Meg’s posting re elements

[MathBlade]

VOTE: MegAzumarill

Spicy I like this

You can have a TR if Meg is scum.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: hutmeil

You mind explaining that?

I mind explaining that. Explanation will be typed up in a .txt file.

and will be produced upon request after a certain period of time has passed.

Requesting this.

VOTE: Meg

[MathBlade]

Fred looks like he's having fun, probably town just because he's staying active while not making a big deal out of the slow game activity

Drapion, do you think Gamma is the CL? Or is it just a general scum read?

Fred looks like he's having fun, probably town just because he's staying active while not making a big deal out of the slow game activity

Drapion, do you think Gamma is the CL? Or is it just a general scum read?

More of a general wolf read. Could be CL could be other Cult.
He was also the first player to cast suspicion and I don’t really like how he did it with the vote and saying that elements vote was bad.
Then later says it’s also a vibe read.

Nah I think Gamma’s town.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Not Known 15

Yeah

I can definitely see Cult not wanting to be on me.

[MegAzumarill]

I agree with the early read on Elements, CL probably just does their best to fade into the background D1.

I kinda think maybe Meg (if Elements is scum) as a good CL or Drapion. If Elements is town.

I think certain players play scum and therefore different.

Still catching up but I don’t get Meg’s posting re elements

What do you dislike about it? I feel Elements is speaking their mind here and not trying to blend in. It seems pretty genuine but I suppose that's mostly *vibes at this point

[MathBlade]

Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it

This reads informed Drapion is town.
Drapion had weird wording last game I was with him.

I think it’s NAI

[MegAzumarill]

*visible confusion

[MathBlade]

Well they would be "Known 15" if they had a picture

ooooo
UNVOTE:

Why the unvote?

You can have a light TR

This Unvote feels fake.

Everyone knows it’s RVS and people vote for dumb crap.

Then people start to get reasons for reads.

Unvoting for a crap reason feels artificial

[MathBlade]

That would only be true if we mis-elim today. On the other hand, if we kill the Leader today then town gets like, five more chances to kill the second cultist. So it's a bit swingy.

The cult cannot afford to lose the CL today at all; it is a win in 7 of all 9 setups and a de facto 7:1 Nightless with 1 IC in the JK setups without FN. That's definitely something to look for.

As opposed to not killing Cult today and its suddenly 5:3 nightless with a big asterix next to the clears.
Very unstable positioning today.

.. I very much don’t like this.

Fear mongering like this tends to stick in people’s minds and is a common trick of scum.

Instead we need positivity.

We have some of the best town hunters in the game.

So I think we can hit scum.

[MathBlade]

Oh sweet, I can actually read Math

Vibe of the game so far was that your slot wasn't doing much and seemed frozen. I scum read Drapion independently of Hutmeil, but I read Hutmeil's inaction as scummier. Meg, Elements, and Gamma all seem pretty townie, not sure on Mala and Fred yet. NK15 is a player that I'm waiting for a meta tell before I settle on a read there.

Why no question/comment for Drapion?

You’re more than welcome to join the Drapion wagon btw.

I don’t SR Drapion but could be wrong.

The wagon seems pretty Townie.

[MathBlade]

Above The Line

Roden
ProfessorDrapion
Not Known 15
Fredrick A Campbell
MegAzumarill
------------------------------------ The Line
Gamma Emerald
hutmeil
Malakittens

Below The Line

Why am I below the line?

This readwall also feels fake because NK 15 has 6 posts
Where as my predecessor had 5 but my slot is inactive and therefore scum?

Doesn’t compute.

I think Elements is the most likely scum on my wagon.

Meg and Elements are kinda together for me and I would do either.

[MegAzumarill]

That would only be true if we mis-elim today. On the other hand, if we kill the Leader today then town gets like, five more chances to kill the second cultist. So it's a bit swingy.

The cult cannot afford to lose the CL today at all; it is a win in 7 of all 9 setups and a de facto 7:1 Nightless with 1 IC in the JK setups without FN. That's definitely something to look for.

As opposed to not killing Cult today and its suddenly 5:3 nightless with a big asterix next to the clears.
Very unstable positioning today.

.. I very much don’t like this.

Fear mongering like this tends to stick in people’s minds and is a common trick of scum.

Instead we need positivity.

We have some of the best town hunters in the game.

So I think we can hit scum.

Do you disagree with the notion we must be more proactive today for discussion as opposed to a normal mafia game? Do you disagree with my setup analysis here? I don't see how this is possibly fearmongering or even what end it would acheive if it was.

[MegAzumarill]

Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it

This reads informed Drapion is town.
Drapion had weird wording last game I was with him.

I think it’s NAI

VOTE: Not Known 15

Yeah

I can definitely see Cult not wanting to be on me.

These also don't make sense/aren't explained respectively.

Overall this feel really contrived

[MathBlade]

That would only be true if we mis-elim today. On the other hand, if we kill the Leader today then town gets like, five more chances to kill the second cultist. So it's a bit swingy.

The cult cannot afford to lose the CL today at all; it is a win in 7 of all 9 setups and a de facto 7:1 Nightless with 1 IC in the JK setups without FN. That's definitely something to look for.

As opposed to not killing Cult today and its suddenly 5:3 nightless with a big asterix next to the clears.
Very unstable positioning today.

.. I very much don’t like this.

Fear mongering like this tends to stick in people’s minds and is a common trick of scum.

Instead we need positivity.

We have some of the best town hunters in the game.

So I think we can hit scum.

Do you disagree with the notion we must be more proactive today for discussion as opposed to a normal mafia game? Do you disagree with my setup analysis here? I don't see how this is possibly fearmongering or even what end it would acheive if it was.

It’s subtle. “suddenly 5:3 nightless” it’s like pink elephant

You just thought of a pink elephant.

It’s the same shit I do.

If I like or hate a game day and it’s gone on a while I will say “Days been going on a while” then everyone becomes lethargic. It’s poisoning a well.

Here you’ve poisoned the well that we will be in a 5:3 nightless when there’s no foundation for such a fear.

[MegAzumarill]

Well the point is to avoid that through being more proactive today? I'm trying to be and I feel that's the logical next step to take with that information. "Mislims are more impactful today" It's the same reason people consider things more in depth in ELO situations.

It feels like it would have the opposite effect than you described, and that was my point

[MathBlade]

Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it

This reads informed Drapion is town.
Drapion had weird wording last game I was with him.

I think it’s NAI

VOTE: Not Known 15

Yeah

I can definitely see Cult not wanting to be on me.

These also don't make sense/aren't explained respectively.

Overall this feel really contrived

First post is pretty straightforward

Gamma’s push on Drapion (and some Roden but mostly Gamma) is about word choice.
I was providing a counter example.
I think it’s NAI
But I don’t scumread anyone on the wagon so I am not like OMG no

The latter is simple
I am a top wagon
Tons of people are inactive yet random dogpile indicates scum
Second vote is usually scum and I already scumread Elements

[MathBlade]

Well the point is to avoid that through being more proactive today? I'm trying to be and I feel that's the logical next step to take with that information. "Mislims are more impactful today" It's the same reason people consider things more in depth in ELO situations.

It feels like it would have the opposite effect than you described, and that was my point

Then don’t try. Just be.

Sure we could end up with all town elims and lose but now people are thinking about it.

There’s no reason to be negative right now.

I think people do consider stuff more in-depth in elo

Right now is about social reads though not mechanical ones.

Trying to force continuous elo is sketchy for no good reason.

If we have an elo situation then it can be addressed

[MegAzumarill]

Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it

This reads informed Drapion is town.
Drapion had weird wording last game I was with him.

I think it’s NAI

VOTE: Not Known 15

Yeah

I can definitely see Cult not wanting to be on me.

These also don't make sense/aren't explained respectively.

Overall this feel really contrived

First post is pretty straightforward

Gamma’s push on Drapion (and some Roden but mostly Gamma) is about word choice.
I was providing a counter example.
I think it’s NAI
But I don’t scumread anyone on the wagon so I am not like OMG no

The latter is simple
I am a top wagon
Tons of people are inactive yet random dogpile indicates scum
Second vote is usually scum and I already scumread Elements

1. My point is the informed of drapion part feels weird. Maybe I still don't get you here but the post reads to me like "Your post feels like TMI. I made the same conclusion" which obviously isn't your intent.

2. I wasn't voting NK15 for being inactive though? I specifically stated I had gripes with a post they made. Like I didn't vote you but why would I?

[MegAzumarill]

Well the point is to avoid that through being more proactive today? I'm trying to be and I feel that's the logical next step to take with that information. "Mislims are more impactful today" It's the same reason people consider things more in depth in ELO situations.

It feels like it would have the opposite effect than you described, and that was my point

Then don’t try. Just be.

Sure we could end up with all town elims and lose but now people are thinking about it.

There’s no reason to be negative right now.

I think people do consider stuff more in-depth in elo

Right now is about social reads though not mechanical ones.

Trying to force continuous elo is sketchy for no good reason.

If we have an elo situation then it can be addressed

I'm not being negative? This whole conversation feels very divorced from the original point.

[MathBlade]

Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it

Drapion does look noncommittal (agreeing/egging Gamma on)
But I don’t think you’d expect town here to be completely committed

It’s a cognitive dissonance.

If you think he’s scum then you’d just vote Drapion.

But instead you agree and say he’s town for no good reason or say you don’t expect him to be town and don’t vote him

But “not a fan”

It’s hard to tell if you made a grammar issue and meant to say you think Drapion is town (how I took it)
Or you continue to think Drap is scum but then random not a fan and no action

It’s just feels like you know Drapion is town with the inaction.