Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Ydrasse]

Oops teehee townslip aha

[Ydrasse]

Primarily this one that I didn't immediately notice

oh apparently I was the only one who saw that immediately and kept quiet to see if there would be any interesting reactions.

Do you think it's within Ydrasse's scum range to fake that slip?

No i’m dumb and can only try to fake pt slips :p

[mastina]

that seemed like easily the most useful place to use my role

Sure!

As a scum tracker!

It makes sense "you made an elaborate claim that seemed to indicate you had significant power. you made it very clear that you would be revealing your role by d4" would be worth tracking

as a scum tracker

.

But you know what a town tracker would want to do with their role?

TRACK THE SCUM WHO HAVE MULTIKILLS.

[jjh927]

Mastina, why have you not reached the conclusion that Fire could just be a roleblocker yet

I mean possible but unlikely; scum would have reason to believe they'd be wasting their roleblock on me.

Then how do you explain the no result? If Fire had a role that would cause your action to fail, he would not have needed to worry about your 'guilty' whatsoever

[jjh927]

Like, from your POV right now, is Fire a mafia ascetic tracker? You're making multiple leaps of logic at the same time and I don't think you can feasibly jump that far

[Dannflor]

I mean I think it's possible scum could miss that too ?

[Something_Smart]

No i’m dumb and can only try to fake pt slips :p

Lmao fair. But I put you up to that.

And you didn't even do a good job

[Something_Smart]

I mean I think it's possible scum could miss that too ?

Miss what? That their roles don't cost %?

[Lukewarm]

scum would have reason to believe they'd be wasting their roleblock on me.

*screams into the void*

[mastina]

what i miss about multitasking
isn’t it just one mafia shoot gun many times

which ever mafia goes pew pew, cannot do any other action.
no multitasking except multi blasting

And you think a town tracker wouldn't try to catch the scum going pew pew multiblasting?

[Something_Smart]

yeah sorry mastina, you've gone back to not making sense.

[Dannflor]

I mean I think it's possible scum could miss that too ?

Miss what? That their roles don't cost %?

I mean I think it's possible to miss that that is a mod confirmed piece of information as scum

[Lukewarm]

But you know what a town tracker would want to do with their role?

TRACK THE SCUM WHO HAVE MULTIKILLS.

Mastina. That is not Fire's claim.

his claim is that if he targetted the scum who did the night kill, his only result would have been : Your target did an action last night

And he would have no way to know if it was a town pr, scum pr, or 3 night kills.

[Lukewarm]

I mean I think it's possible scum could miss that too ?

Miss what? That their roles don't cost %?

I mean I think it's possible to miss that that is a mod confirmed piece of information as scum

There is a flipped scum lol

[Lukewarm]

what i miss about multitasking
isn’t it just one mafia shoot gun many times

which ever mafia goes pew pew, cannot do any other action.
no multitasking except multi blasting

And you think a town tracker wouldn't try to catch the scum going pew pew multiblasting?

reread.

his.

claim.

please.

[Dannflor]

nvm I think ydrasse is town so I don't know why I'm arguing this

[mastina]

The town is balanced to an effectively-all-vanilla scumteam. The town is too weak to have the scum have anything ungated like a full roleblocker, full rolecop, etc. So anything they have is going to be incredibly gated--a 1x roleblocker, or a role that isn't able to directly mess with the town's strength but can do so indirectly--ascetic, commuter, or rolestopper. (Keep in mind a scum rolestopper is significantly weaker than a town rolestopper, the same way a town roleblocker is significantly weaker than a scum roleblocker.)

how do you know how much total power town has?

You said it yourself; the balance is likely 2:1 or so PR:vanilla.

But every one of those non-vanilla roles is heavily gated NOT ONLY by percentages punishing them from extensive use, NOT ONLY by stronger roles having high percentages that in many cases stack after each use (meaning each role is, effectively, likely 1x), but ALSO by them having gates ON TOP OF those punishing percentage mechanics making each role likely to fire only once and giving scum extra kills.

Ergo, the scum roles MUST all be fairly weak. No ungated rolecop, no ungated roleblocker, etc.
A scum rolestopper fits; a scum ascetic fits. If so they would be the only strong scum PR.

Setup spec supports a scumteam of:
{Ircher as a looks-town role, Rolestopper/Ascetic for defense, Tracker for investigating, probably-goon to do kills}.

Tell me that doesn't sound like a probable setup to you.

[jjh927]

I'm gonna go to bed now and I'm gonna be mad if anyone makes any irreversible decisions while I sleep

This whole mechanics fiasco has distracted me from how the Roden wagon ended but I was annoyed at that too tbh

[mastina]

If you're so sure you didn't get roleblocked then why didn't fire just claim the ascetic or whatever you think it is that caused the no result
If it's a role that passively causes no results in that way then fire would have had no reason to fear a guilty because it would have been impossible

An unclaimed town ascetic claiming only after being investigated on D3?

How well do you think that'd work out for fire?

It's either scum ascetic tracker or scum tracker with a scumbuddy rolestopper on him.

[mastina]

Plus, her read on me feels like TMI, since she clearly thinks she knows something about my role and I don't see how she can be that confident about it (even if she is right).

For the exact same reason I know jjh is town and knew Ircher was scum and know Roden is scum.

So, yes, it is a form of TMI, but in this case originating from town. The town who have paid attention that are in the know, are in the know and basically are a gigantic masonry as far as I'm concerned. {Vivax, jjh, Something_Smart, PenguinPower} is a pool which never contains scum if I'm right, here.

jjh probably knows what I know. He may or may not agree, mind you, but he probably sees what I am seeing at least.

You and PenguinPower, if I am right, might be able to figure it out, too. But obviously, the less said, the better, because I don't want to give anything away which would let scum infiltrate the holy masonry.

mastina can you explain this yet? especially since you were wrong about Roden

Oh do you really want me to?

If you insist.

You're scum or a PR, period.

There's no way you're a VT in this game and if you claim VT I'm instavoting you.

[PenguinPower]

Mastina, Fire only claimed to be able to determine if someone acted or not. It's weaker than a tracker.

productivity requirements seem high if that's the case

[Dannflor]

fire/titus/klick

there's my 360 no scope scum team guess

[mastina]

is there any reason this wouldn't make sense mastina?

Yeah; the OP tells you how scum roles work. Scum don't have productivity at all. It's only town.

Ircher's flip also shows that.

[Something_Smart]

Oh do you really want me to?

If you insist.

You're scum or a PR, period.

There's no way you're a VT in this game and if you claim VT I'm instavoting you.

I mean. I suspected that you thought this but I was hoping it wasn't the only thing here. How does that tie in to Roden or jjh? And how is that something that I "might be able to figure out"?

(You are free to not answer if you think the answer is detrimental to the town.)

[Ydrasse]

nvm I think ydrasse is town so I don't know why I'm arguing this

Yeah that’s right!!!