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[Frogsterking]

yesss i love being prejudized

i can't like srspost rn but i plan to this afternoon

my reads are all mushy and id like to try to fix that

scum are trying to goad this Town into killing them in order to end their suffering

PEdit:

Menalque's reads list is a comedy gold mine. I'm sure every player can look at it for a few minutes and come up with their own unique and valid reason why it's implausible to come from Town

[Dannflor]

I don't really think fire is scum

[Thestatusquo]

scamper
Datisi
Cat Scratch Fever

The why are you alive crew. Scamper softed an investigate role day one (I think it was day one) and has managed to survive 3 nightkills? Same with Datisi who was involved in that clear. Cat scratch looked good to my initial reaction test of them replacing in but has done actual nothing and also should probably be dead at this point?

Are the scum just trying to make me wifom myself here? Datisi coming in immediately and pointing this out FEELS like a vague tell I've seen many times where scum make a kill deliberately to introduce wifom and then want to make sure town is talking about it.

This combined with yesterday Datisi trying to railroad that they were confirmed town when thats very different from what the actual game state is makes me leery here.

I think its probably time for scamper to actually give full information here so we can evaluate it, plus theoretically he also should have some other useful results for the PoE and if he is truly an investigative he has to die tonight anyway, right?

[Thestatusquo]

There's plenty of time to get back to mena eventually if people still think he's scum but I'm not going to let today turn into the self-fulfilling prophecy bullshit we had yesterday where Nero and Frogster basically refused to let people consider any other options.

[Dannflor]

i *think* datisi is the only one I could see as plausibly being scum of those three

if CSF is scum then they have to be an even night serial killer but um does anyone actually think that?

[Thestatusquo]

yesss i love being prejudized

i can't like srspost rn but i plan to this afternoon

my reads are all mushy and id like to try to fix that

scum are trying to goad this Town into killing them in order to end their suffering

PEdit:

Menalque's reads list is a comedy gold mine. I'm sure every player can look at it for a few minutes and come up with their own unique and valid reason why it's implausible to come from Town

Can you stop this performative nonsense pushing and actually try to think through the information we have? Comments like this which speak to a state of the game happening because X are so frustrating because they accomplish nothing. They can't be evaluated and are therefore COMPLETELY useless.

[Dannflor]

Menalque's reads list is a comedy gold mine. I'm sure every player can look at it for a few minutes and come up with their own unique and valid reason why it's implausible to come from Town

I don't think its implausible, there is a reason I'm asking questions about it

Frog I think you're town but you're causing town winrate to go down right now more than likely

[Ausuka]

It's really hard for me to sort through what I think about people's play yesterday because of how demotivated the whole game was.

Like I don't think Ausuka's play yesterday was particularly townie compared to how I felt about her play yesterday, but I'm not sure how much weight to put on that given the state of the day.

Shrug, I mean it's hard for me to effort too hard if there's a pretty big chance that we're on track to win already and me doing Things might just reduce our win rate and waste our time

I do think some of my townreads have become stale so I will do some reviewing today

[Thestatusquo]

i *think* datisi is the only one I could see as plausibly being scum of those three

if CSF is scum then they have to be an even night serial killer but um does anyone actually think that?

This is why I want info from scamper.

[Thestatusquo]

It's really hard for me to sort through what I think about people's play yesterday because of how demotivated the whole game was.

Like I don't think Ausuka's play yesterday was particularly townie compared to how I felt about her play yesterday, but I'm not sure how much weight to put on that given the state of the day.

Shrug, I mean it's hard for me to effort too hard if there's a pretty big chance that we're on track to win already and me doing Things might just reduce our win rate and waste our time

I do think some of my townreads have become stale so I will do some reviewing today

I think our chances of winning go down significantly if we continue to have completely non-productive days like yesterday.

[Datisi]

i *think* datisi is the only one I could see as plausibly being scum of those three

why do you think it's more likely that i'm scum out of three of us, rather than the person literally claiming a clear on me

[Dannflor]

there's a pretty big chance

what makes you feel that?

[Thestatusquo]

yesss i love being prejudized

i can't like srspost rn but i plan to this afternoon

my reads are all mushy and id like to try to fix that

scum are trying to goad this Town into killing them in order to end their suffering

PEdit:

Menalque's reads list is a comedy gold mine. I'm sure every player can look at it for a few minutes and come up with their own unique and valid reason why it's implausible to come from Town

And yet you didn't manage to come up with any of those reasons yourself.

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Tell me why they're implausible to come from town. Should be easy given how certain you seem about it.

[Dannflor]

i *think* datisi is the only one I could see as plausibly being scum of those three

why do you think it's more likely that i'm scum out of three of us, rather than the person literally claiming a clear on me

I independently town read scamper the most

and I think randomly softing an investigative role with a clear on you so early in the game just... doesn't make sense as scum play?

you didn't have a choice of being involved in this and I do think there exists a world where you are a scum doctor and that is why the vig hasn't died yet

i don't think it's particularly likely but I think it is possible

[Datisi]

you didn't have a choice of being involved in this and I do think there exists a world where you are a scum doctor and that is why the vig hasn't died yet

you think scumtisi would let a vig live when we're at evens. disgustang. insulting, even.

[Ausuka]

there's a pretty big chance

what makes you feel that?

?

my reads are pretty aligned with most people's

i think in most worlds if we burn you, fire and menalque we win the game

pedit: you would totally do that so you could brag postgame about how you did that and still won tbh

[Thestatusquo]

as soon as someone says "I wouldn't do x as scum" they immediately demonstrate a reason why they would

[Dannflor]

yeah maybe not

you're just the one I see as being the least "clear"... despite there being a clear

it doesn't really matter because I town read you

[Dannflor]

?

my reads are pretty aligned with most people's

i think in most worlds if we burn you, fire and menalque we win the game

I guess what I'm really asking is what makes you so confident

[Ausuka]

i think datisi/scamper paranoia isnt that helpful because iirc we have enough room that we can leave it for a while and if they don't die then it's suspicious

as it is there is only really one night where they probably should have died

that said the cat is out of the bag so... whatever

it is not impossible there is scum there, obviously i thought dats was scum this game, but it just seems a lot less likely than other possibilities

it's hard to imagine scamper's play as a scum gambit imo and just mathematically it's very improbable he would have something he calls a clear on dats which isn't actually a clear. it's possible that he happened to gunsmith check the mafia doctor but that seems unlikely enough of a coincidence to not be that worth worrying about

pedit: what about that is "so confident" exactly

[Thestatusquo]

I don't love dannflors side of this interaction but I'm not really sure how much I don't like it.

[Ausuka]

im actually a multitasking cop gunsmith and i've checked everyone except you three

[Datisi]

i think in most worlds if we burn you, fire and menalque we win the game

how sure are you on guiltylion being town

i got the paranoia there after the s_s flip

[Thestatusquo]

i think datisi/scamper paranoia isnt that helpful because iirc we have enough room that we can leave it for a while and if they don't die then it's suspicious

Well, this is why I want the info now if it exists. Killing scamper tonight is the level 0 scum play and I would argue its already kind of suspicious that both are alive.

[Dannflor]

what about that is "so confident" exactly

confident enough to not want to do Things??? I guess???

I'm not sure what the disconnect is here.

I feel like a townie's natural impulse is towards Doing Things because they want to win the game and they want to look cool in doing so. You obviously seem confident enough in the current consensus reads that you don't feel the need to put in effort.

I'm asking where that feeling stems from for you. Is it that you feel good enough about scum being in me/fire/mena? If so, what about our play makes you feel that way and why?

is it because your town reads are so rock solid? if so who do you feel best about as a town core and why?