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[geraintm]

Nightmare scenario would be geraintm/crscent/malcom

What makes you say that? Based on vibes or anything you noticed?

Malcom has a verbose I guess you'd call it posting syle like crescent so a lot of both of their posts would probly get missed. And geraintm is pretty slippry and has already slim shaded crescent which would be a decent distancing tactic that I don't think many would think much of.

I believe the other 2 of this list are also towns. And '

And geraintm is pretty slippry and has already slim shaded crescent which would be a decent distancing tactic that I don't think many would think much of.

' explains the N1 kill. I also mentioned some scum!

Galron

points in 309 & 558 in D1.

Galron

is at E-1.

lol okay

That's fine but I'm not maf and you don't want to flip me

And

NJAC

thought

this was soft-claim from

Galron

& that's why they didn’t vote

Galron

in D1.

Galron

is at E-1.

lol okay

That's fine but I'm not maf and you don't want to flip me

@Galron: 314 and 535 were addressed to you. Please answer.

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

LEt's see where it goes. I get the impression Drapion is a gunslinger so I'll give some room.

What did you mean here with "gunslinger" and why did you say that?

I don't know why this is importatn but Prof seems to accuse/vote and then examine it. Like shoot first and ask questions later.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83299&start=325

As a rep in it doesn't do much for early game analysis but I'm going to archive this for later on. Thanks!

@Galron: what insights did you get from that game about scum!Porkens' play?

I didn't get anything because porkens was a rep in and their part was late game.

These conversations seems avoiding associativity types.

I was talking about these D2 posts from

Galron

:

I'm at work I will look at njac's iso tonight. They really haven't gotten any pressure that I can recall. I don't see remember any conclusions being drawn from answers to questions they've asked. Like possible scum busy work.

Njac coming back at me a bit was kind of townie.

I've really soured on geraintm being town.

VOTE: gera

I'm at work I will look at njac's iso tonight. They really haven't gotten any pressure that I can recall. I don't see remember any conclusions being drawn from answers to questions they've asked. Like possible scum busy work.

Njac coming back at me a bit was kind of townie.

I've really soured on geraintm being town.

VOTE: gera

Hmm... what exactly NJAC did to change your read on them, @Galron?

It hasn't changed so much as they're bouncing from town to null and back and forth. I had some doubts yesterday morning but going through their iso and seeing them push back against people seems I guess not super townie but at the least not scummy.

I'd like to know the Prof's case though. He seems to be darting around it.

As

NJAC

was the other wagon against

geraintm

, pushing

geraintm

for saving their scum pr seems valid to me.

It was a weird push on me. Ive done nothing different this game to others, and getting so much early pressure was just weird. It coming because they needed a target besides scum makes more sense now.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Salsa

I am not going here today

[geraintm]

VOTE: Galron

Galron and malcolm are currently my top 2 most likely as scum.
I won't have much time this weekend to go through people's histories. Plan to do that Monday

[Porkens]

Someone should do one of those color coded vote analysis thingys.

[Salsabil Faria]

Votecount 1.1

Crescent

(1)

:

KittyTacky

geraintm

(1): Salsabil Faria

KittyTacky

(1):

NJAC

NJAC

(1): Shiidaji

Wayward Son

(1): Galron

Not Voting

(6): geraintm, MalcolmTucker, Porkens,

Wayward Son

, ProfessorDrapion,

Crescent

Votecount 1.2

Crescent

(1):

KittyTacky

Galron

(1): geraintm

geraintm

(1): Salsabil Faria

KittyTacky

(1):

NJAC

NJAC

(1): Shiidaji

Wayward Son

(1): Galron

Not Voting

(5): MalcolmTucker, Porkens,

Wayward Son

, ProfessorDrapion,

Crescent

Votecount 1.3

NJAC

(2): Shiidaji, ProfessorDrapion

KittyTacky

(1):

NJAC

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

ProfessorDrapion

(1): Salsabil Faria

Wayward Son

(1): Galron

Not Voting

(5): MalcolmTucker, Porkens,

Wayward Son

,

Crescent

,

KittyTacky

Votecount 1.4

ProfessorDrapion

(2): Salsabil Faria, Shiidaji

KittyTacky

(1):

NJAC

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

NJAC

(1): ProfessorDrapion

Wayward Son

(1): Galron

Not Voting

(5): MalcolmTucker, Porkens,

Wayward Son

,

Crescent

,

KittyTacky

Votecount 1.5

ProfessorDrapion

(3): Shiidaji,

KittyTacky

,

Wayward Son

Wayward Son

(2): Galron, Porkens

Galron

(1): Salsabil Faria

KittyTacky

(1):

NJAC

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

NJAC

(1): ProfessorDrapion

Not Voting

(2): MalcolmTucker,

Crescent

Votecount 1.6

Galron

(2): Salsabil Faria,

NJAC

ProfessorDrapion

(2): Shiidaji,

KittyTacky

Wayward Son

(2): Galron, Porkens

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

NJAC

(1): ProfessorDrapion

Not Voting

(3): MalcolmTucker,

Crescent

,

Wayward Son

Votecount 1.7

Galron

(3): Salsabil Faria,

NJAC

, Shiidaji

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

NJAC

(1): ProfessorDrapion

ProfessorDrapion

(1):

KittyTacky

Wayward Son

(1): Porkens

Not Voting

(4): MalcolmTucker,

Crescent

,

Wayward Son

, Galron

Votecount 1.8

Galron

(3): Salsabil Faria,

NJAC

, Shiidaji

Wayward Son

(2): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

ProfessorDrapion

(1):

KittyTacky

Not Voting

(4): MalcolmTucker,

Crescent

,

Wayward Son

, Galron

Votecount 1.9

Galron

(3): Salsabil Faria,

NJAC

, Shiidaji

Wayward Son

(2): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

Not Voting

(5): MalcolmTucker,

Crescent

,

Wayward Son

, Galron,

KittyTacky

Votecount 1.10

Galron

(4): Salsabil Faria,

NJAC

, Shiidaji, MalcolmTucker

Wayward Son

(3): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron

geraintm

(2):

Wayward Son

,

Crescent

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

Not Voting

(1):

KittyTacky

Votecount 1.11

Wayward Son

(5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Salsabil Faria, Shiidaji (E-1)

geraintm

(3):

Wayward Son

,

Crescent

,

NJAC

Galron

(1):

KittyTacky

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

Porkens

(1): MalcolmTucker

Votecount 1.12

Wayward Son

(5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria (E-1)

geraintm

(3):

Wayward Son

,

Crescent

,

NJAC

Galron

(1):

KittyTacky

geraintm

(1): MalcolmTucker

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

Final vote count of Day 1!

Votecount 1.13

Wayward Son

(6): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria, MalcolmTucker (Hammer)

geraintm

(3):

Wayward Son

,

Crescent

,

NJAC

Galron

(1):

KittyTacky

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

Votecount 2.1

geraintm

(2): Salsabil Faria,

NJAC

Galron

(1):

KittyTacky

Shiidaji

(1): ProfessorDrapion

Not Voting

(5): geraintm, MalcolmTucker, Porkens, Galron, Shiidaji

Votecount 2.2

geraintm

(3): Salsabil Faria,

NJAC

, MalcolmTucker

Galron

(1):

KittyTacky

Shiidaji

(1): ProfessorDrapion

Not Voting

(4): geraintm, Porkens, Galron, Shiidaji

Votecount 2.3

Galron

(2):

KittyTacky

, Salsabil Faria

geraintm

(2):

NJAC

, MalcolmTucker

Shiidaji

(1): ProfessorDrapion

Not Voting

(4): geraintm, Porkens, Galron, Shiidaji

Votecount 2.4

Galron

(2):

KittyTacky

, Salsabil Faria

geraintm

(2):

NJAC

, MalcolmTucker

NJAC

(2): ProfessorDrapion, Shiidaji

Not Voting

(3): geraintm, Porkens, Galron

Votecount 2.5

geraintm

(2):

NJAC

, MalcolmTucker

NJAC

(2): ProfessorDrapion, Shiidaji

Galron

(1):

KittyTacky

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

Porkens

(1): Salsabil Faria

Not Voting

(2): Porkens, Galron

Votecount 2.6

NJAC

(3): ProfessorDrapion, Shiidaji, Porkens

geraintm

(2): MalcolmTucker, Galron

Porkens

(2): Salsabil Faria,

KittyTacky

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

KittyTacky

(1):

NJAC

Final vote count of Day 2!

Votecount 2.7

NJAC

(5): ProfessorDrapion, Shiidaji, Porkens, geraintm, Salsabil Faria (Hammer)

geraintm

(3): MalcolmTucker, Galron,

NJAC

Porkens

(1):

KittyTacky

[Salsabil Faria]

Nightmare scenario would be geraintm/crscent/malcom

What makes you say that? Based on vibes or anything you noticed?

Malcom has a verbose I guess you'd call it posting syle like crescent so a lot of both of their posts would probly get missed. And geraintm is pretty slippry and has already slim shaded crescent which would be a decent distancing tactic that I don't think many would think much of.

I believe the other 2 of this list are also towns. And '

And geraintm is pretty slippry and has already slim shaded crescent which would be a decent distancing tactic that I don't think many would think much of.

' explains the N1 kill. I also mentioned some scum!

Galron

points in 309 & 558 in D1.

Galron

is at E-1.

lol okay

That's fine but I'm not maf and you don't want to flip me

And

NJAC

thought

this was soft-claim from

Galron

& that's why they didn’t vote

Galron

in D1.

@Galron: 314 and 535 were addressed to you. Please answer.

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

LEt's see where it goes. I get the impression Drapion is a gunslinger so I'll give some room.

What did you mean here with "gunslinger" and why did you say that?

I don't know why this is importatn but Prof seems to accuse/vote and then examine it. Like shoot first and ask questions later.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83299&start=325

As a rep in it doesn't do much for early game analysis but I'm going to archive this for later on. Thanks!

@Galron: what insights did you get from that game about scum!Porkens' play?

I didn't get anything because porkens was a rep in and their part was late game.

These conversations seems avoiding associativity types.

I was talking about these D2 posts from

Galron

:

I'm at work I will look at njac's iso tonight. They really haven't gotten any pressure that I can recall. I don't see remember any conclusions being drawn from answers to questions they've asked. Like possible scum busy work.

Njac coming back at me a bit was kind of townie.

I've really soured on geraintm being town.

VOTE: gera

Hmm... what exactly NJAC did to change your read on them, @Galron?

It hasn't changed so much as they're bouncing from town to null and back and forth. I had some doubts yesterday morning but going through their iso and seeing them push back against people seems I guess not super townie but at the least not scummy.

I'd like to know the Prof's case though. He seems to be darting around it.

As

NJAC

was the other wagon against

geraintm

, pushing

geraintm

for saving their scum pr seems valid to me.

EBWOP

[posts were double quoted for some reason]

[Greeting]

Due to the site being down, I have added 72 hours to the EoD 3 timer. VC will come in about 12 hours. No prods will be sent out for the next 24 hours too.

Day 3 ends in: (expired on 2022-10-10 20:14:00).

[ProfessorDrapion]

Read-list : 01

Slight Townleans⇨

Wayward

: meta + vibe

NJAC

: meta + I can understand what they're coming from about

Porkens

.

Malcolm

: Get town vibes from 41 & 78.

Slight Scumleans⇨

Porkens

: Reason stated in 140.

Professor

: Their aggressive approach towards

NJAC

for going after

Porkens

doesn’t sit well with me. It almost seems like (to me) they

know

Porkens

is town

somehow. Also they kept trying to dismiss

NJAC

's approach towards

Porkens

by saying it’s completely NAI stuff (which isn’t, stated in 140 & 143) +

buddying attempt

with

Crescent

(142).
While writing this, I find

Professor

is more scummier than

Porkens

.

VOTE: Professor

Shiidaji

: (mostly based on vibe) got ping from 11 & 30 + don't understand their

Crescent

townread (74 ➤ where they mentioned 8 is a town response from

Crescent

but to me it’s a NAI stuff).

Rests are null for now.

Look at this readslist and then look how both their highest towns were both executions and Salsa was on both wagons.

Final vote count of Day 1!

Votecount 1.13

XXXTentacion - Look At Me!

(2016)

Commentary: I was torn on whether to feature him in this game or not due to his history of anti-social behavior. However, given the fact that I had featured Snoop Dogg before for his musical contributions, I decided to go with that instead. Nonetheless, I acknowledge that this artist in particular had led a very troubled life.

XXXTentacion was probably the most known representative of a musical genre called SoundCloud rap, which was quite popular in the second half of the 2010s. He was murdered in daylight while attempting to defend himself against armed robbers.

Wayward Son

(6): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria, MalcolmTucker (Hammer)

geraintm

(3): Wayward Son, Crescent, NJAC

Galron

(1): KittyTacky

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

With 11 alive, it took 6 to eliminate.

Day 1 ended.

[ProfessorDrapion]

It wasn’t until I outed my role where Salsa backed off of me

[ProfessorDrapion]

After that Salsa started hard pushing Galron for a long while

[ProfessorDrapion]

Meanwhile I was hard pushing Wayward and still showed concern for NJAC.

I also eventually felt a town vibe from Galron I think either during Day 2 or near end of Day 1.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Another reason I pushed Wayward is because they had NJAC as a hard town read and it wasn’t on the right path I had and I felt like he could have hurt us later on (I’m correct) so I took out the dude I felt was town reading wolf/wolves if town and I was right.

I also voted him initially cause I seen wolf equity with him and my other wolf reads including NJAC.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also to be clear.
I think if it’s 2 wolves alive and not one.
I definitely think Salsa/Gera can be a team and I definitely think Salsa would buss that later.


I don’t think Gera is directly wolfy but I see wolf equity with Salsa.

[ProfessorDrapion]

So if you guys wish to vote Galron who I believe was Salsa’s next designated ML day 1 after they couldn’t do it to me, so be it.
But if you want my opinion, my opinion is to just execute Salsa here.

[ProfessorDrapion]

My strongest town read right now is Porkens. Never ever execute her.
The next one would be Galron who I think it’s going to flip town here, call it TMI if you want I honestly don’t GAF.
Malcolm/Shiji/Gera - are players I can town read but can also see wolf equity from at the same time.
Conflicting and haven’t came to a full conclusion on either of the 3.

Leaving Salsa. Who I don’t see any reason to town read and I think their actions have been done through a mindset of a wolf.

[geraintm]

Welcome back all

[MalcolmTucker]

Salsa's hammer was still...bold, to say the least, but I'm not sure scum actually has to hammer there. Easier to try and ride out the claim (which I was ready to believe for the turn) since Salsa had some town-cred anyway.

It's probably Galron. Simplest solution here. Ger and Porkens look town now.

[MalcolmTucker]

Also to be clear.
I think if it’s 2 wolves alive and not one.
I definitely think Salsa/Gera can be a team and I definitely think Salsa would buss that later.


I don’t think Gera is directly wolfy but I see wolf equity with Salsa.

I'm just not sure Salsa hammers there as scum. Ger still had a decent number of votes and anyone who voted there could wave it off as arguing it was a better vote than someone who had claimed. The hammer was weird to say the least but probably town for me.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I mean think about it like this.

The way the thread was going there was a good chance NJAC would have went over anyway, if Salsa didn't go on the wagon they would have been pushed the next day.
so to look good and not be pushed they HAD to hammer.

[geraintm]

Salsa's hammer was still...bold, to say the least, but I'm not sure scum actually has to hammer there. Easier to try and ride out the claim (which I was ready to believe for the turn) since Salsa had some town-cred anyway.

It's probably Galron. Simplest solution here. Ger and Porkens look town now.

Agree with this.
If they are scum, they'll get found out soon enough

[Porkens]

Sorry it’s been a while, Malcolm, can you articulate your townread on Ger?

[Shiidaji]

Taking a look at Salsa/Ger again since you brought it up. Scum shot Crescent N1, then on the first page of day 2 both Salsa and NJAC immediately push onto ger.

Spoiler: Day2 Page 1

well, that is going to make things tougher.

Yeah... Or you're just scum using WIFOM.

VOTE: geraintm

Yeah... Or you're just scum using WIFOM.

VOTE: geraintm

yep, could be.
i spent most of yesterday saying i thought that if they were town they would be very helpful for us, i wanted them checked over so that we wouldnt have to worry about them being scum and me and my team mates thought the best thing to do was to night kill the person who has stuck a huge target on me.
i don't know if they know who the scum team is in the dead thread, but Crescent it isn't me and i am sorry that whatever i did to get you to think i was scum is going to make today awkward.

VOTE: geraintm

I expect to see you stop being anti town from now on, btw.

VOTE: geraintm

I expect to see you stop being anti town from now on, btw.

i am not sure i follow this post.
you clearly think i am scum
you also think i am going to more pro town from now on?
surely that just means you expect me to fake it better from now on? because as scum i cannot ever actually...be pro town?

-

My POE is

{

Professor

,

Porkens

,

Shiidaji

,

Galron

,

geraintm

}

(in no particular order) by creating the town-block including

{

NJAC

,

Malcolm

,

Kitty

}

#
you voted off a towie, you dont get to make town blocs

Your play style sucks!

LOL +1

I guess I can visualize it, this feels a bit off.

If Ger-Salsa-NJAC is a team they shot Crescent with this Bussing-101 theater pre-planned. With that in mind!!! 892 and 895 don't feel like buddy interactions to me, if ger wanted to sell it he could have been more antagonistic towards them instead of just going "yeah that makes me look bad here". It's also in this team's best interest to actively or passively seek other wagons as the day winds down so that the ger wagon dissipates naturally.

Spoiler: soc D2 wrt Ger and NJAC's eventual wagon::::

Salsa votes Ger
NJAC votes Ger
Malcolm fence 896
NJAC pushes Ger
Drap votes NJAC and me (NJAC wagon doesn't gain traction for a while)
ger shades Salsa
Kitty votes Galron
Ger's 971 doesn't feel like a Salsa bus.
-
Ger posts a pool of players he'd like to eliminate in Salsa Shii Mal Galron
Mal votes Ger one hour later (E-2). At this point a Salsa-Ger-NJAC team would want to consolidate elsewhere or risk having Ger ran up.
Salsa switches off of Ger and onto Galron
Salsa has ger in town now, NJAC in null, Galron and Porkens in scum
...
Drap and Shii vote NJAC

In response to this VC:

Votecount 2.4

Drake feat. Wizkid & Kyla - One Dance

(2016)

Commentary: This song is strongly influenced by dancehall and afrobeat. It's also not a rap song at all, which marks a departure from Drake's past music.

Galron

(2): KittyTacky, Salsabil Faria

geraintm

(2): NJAC, MalcolmTucker

NJAC

(2): ProfessorDrapion, Shiidaji

Not Voting

(3): geraintm, Porkens, Galron

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in: (expired on 2022-09-28 19:17:00).

Salsa in 1115 unvotes Galron and expresses interest in an NJAC and Porkens vote. That doesn't feel like a buddy move.

Malcolm starts pushing galron again
Kitty wants Galron/Porkens
Salsa votes Porkens
ger votes Malcolm

To varying degrees I'd be happy with any of Ger, Galron or Porkens going today, roughly in that order. If the town consolidates on one of them I will change my vote if others are sticking to vanity wagons. That is not fence-sitting at all.

I want to revisit this later when looking at NJAC-Malcolm
Kitty onto Porkens (E-3)
Porkens has a bunch of wagons at this point to jump onto, ignoring Mal vote he opts for NJAC unprompted (E-2) despite having other wagons available to him at the time.
NJAC onto Kitty, off of the ger wagon
Page 48-49 Galron vote onto ger after going "eh" on NJAC when he was at E-2 doesn't look good2me
1214 NJAC interaction with salsa doesn't feel s/s
salsa returns from porkens to ger as deadline approaches E-2 which really makes me doubt the above team of three
Malcolm's questioning towards NJAC at NJAC's E-2 doesn't feel like scum approach to a buddy at E-2 to me. Malcolm scum is pretty strong at writing if I'm wrong.
NJAC v Porkens really hammers Porkens town
galron-ger team feels unlikely EOD2
NJAC onto ger is NAI for ger EOD2 since NJAC is a scum PR, they boxed themselves in a bit with their TR announcement on the other viable wagon in Pork
CRUNCH TIME
Salsa votes for NJAC off of ger. The only way I see scum salsa doing this is in the world where the three of them are scum together. NJAC's PR would weigh on scum salsa here imo, and she would be better off just lurking or at the very least, just leaving her vote on ger.
NJAC claim, 4hrs till EOD
Salsa unvotes NJAC. At this point, I really don't see scum salsa ever voting scum NJAC here. She feels smart enough that, as scum, she would just lurk it out if necessary, which would encourage a No-Elimination or deflection onto ger/a different wagon entirely.
Scum porkens in 1285 would likely unvote while adding the line about "ehh not feeling it" instead of voteparking on buddy

Salsa votes ger and then says at 2 AM (3 hours left to go) that she can't be online for long.
1288 proves salsa at EOD understood no-elim was still a possibility. So scum salsa should be angling for NJAC to live another night to get at least one more investigation off.
ger in the same way E-2 votes NJAC at 3 AM, and Salsa follows, onto a claimed investigative that, had they been scum, they clearly were within their rights to say "nah I'd rather No-Elim than go for the investigative role today.
If it's scum ger and town salsa in this situation, ger should be lurking as well and not voting for NJAC here, especially after a claim.
If it's town ger and scum salsa in this situation, salsa is crazy lol. I don't buy it though.
I originally wanted to TR Malcolm's post-hammer reaction but the anger could also be channeling his actual feelings of his partner getting strung up after claiming.

Main takeaways for me:
- I can see some part of the Salsa-Ger-NJAC link midway through Day 2 since Salsa and NJAC jumped on and off ger in succession. Given a few interactions and EOD2 though I'm not feeling it rn. The read really just helped me outline that the only possible situation I see Salsa as scum is if it's 3 scum with ger.
- Galron has motive to NK Kitty besides the Ascetic claim, since Kitty was a key opponent against him in D2
- I'm still more pleased in Porkens town, he had slotted NJAC in null in his 1027 list yet later joined pushing him to a lim despite having possible wagons on myself, Galron and Kitty available to him.

[Shiidaji]

Really I thought Malcom’s reaction was hilariously over the top exagerated

Yeah the posts were pretty uncharacteristic of him but I can see both it posted both by annoyed town and scum pissed that his partner got limmed after a claim.

[Salsabil Faria]

The way I'm seeing it, it’s a town win game for 2 scums (if we have 3 scums or 2 scums + 1 traitor, which I find unlikely, then I'm not sure about winning as a town yet).

But town can still loose this game because of & only for town!

Professor

, scum won't nk them. So either we eliminate

Galron

(high chance of flipping scum imo) or me (because I think scum won't kill me either & take me +

Professor

into elo which will lead into town losing) today.

I mean

Malcolm

's reaction towards my hammer is giving me pause to go against them today (+

Galron

has the higher chance to flip scum than them). Before claiming investigator,

NJAC

could discuss it in the scum pt & scum!

Malcolm

could see it... So even if they were frustrated, they didn’t have to show their frustration in the main thread, ig?

[ProfessorDrapion]

I really don’t think it’s Galron and really think it’s Salsa but Suiida might be a crazy mafia.